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Surprised by the lack of discussion here about Ukraine.

Lots to talk about, from the fact that this is a European war, to the ineptitude of the Russian ground forces, to the horrific loss of life and general targeting of cities and civilians, to the "bio weapons lab" conspiracy theory, to the US and NATO responses to date, China's role and possible impacts on their Taiwan strategy, etc.

@Rothko posted:

Lots to talk about, from the fact that this is a European war, to the ineptitude of the Russian ground forces, to the horrific loss of life and general targeting of cities and civilians, to the "bio weapons lab" conspiracy theory, to the US and NATO responses to date, China's role and possible impacts on their Taiwan strategy, etc.

Looks like there’s so much to talk about that it’s intimidating to the idea of starting a discussion.

Personally, I have not yet finished talking about the pandemic. I’ve got at least a couple more things to say.

@Rothko posted:

Surprised by the lack of discussion here about Ukraine.

Lots to talk about, from the fact that this is a European war, to the ineptitude of the Russian ground forces, to the horrific loss of life and general targeting of cities and civilians, to the "bio weapons lab" conspiracy theory, to the US and NATO responses to date, China's role and possible impacts on their Taiwan strategy, etc.

Infuriating and depressing. At this point, I’m hoping for an insider to take VP and his top loyalists out of the picture. That’s one scenario for both ending the madness and keeping other nations from feeling forced to getting involved, beginning an irreversible escalation.

Current world events, as well as things here in the U.S. and climate trends remind me that I’m glad I don’t have children. I can’t imagine the stress of considering the future world they would inhabit.

One thing I’ll say…



It is frustrating how little Americans understand about domestic policy. But polling on foreign policy displays a shocking level of basic illiteracy on international relations, recent history, and foreign policy that — regardless of one’s own opinions — anyone with even rudimentary understanding of these things should be deeply alarmed by.

@winetarelli posted:

One thing I’ll say…



It is frustrating how little Americans understand about domestic policy. But polling on foreign policy displays a shocking level of basic illiteracy on international relations, recent history, and foreign policy that — regardless of one’s own opinions — anyone with even rudimentary understanding of these things should be deeply alarmed by.

Why do you think that is?  And education system that teaches history badly if at all?  The ubiquity of news programs pushing extreme agendas and the loyalty of so many to one or more of these sources rather than a spectrum of views?  The fact that so few Americans are well travelled?  A general ignorance of news and current events?

@bman posted:

Why do you think that is?  And education system that teaches history badly if at all?  The ubiquity of news programs pushing extreme agendas and the loyalty of so many to one or more of these sources rather than a spectrum of views?  The fact that so few Americans are well travelled?  A general ignorance of news and current events?

Hosers stirring the pot…

@bman posted:

Why do you think that is?  And education system that teaches history badly if at all?  The ubiquity of news programs pushing extreme agendas and the loyalty of so many to one or more of these sources rather than a spectrum of views?  The fact that so few Americans are well travelled?  A general ignorance of news and current events?

Maybe some of it all. It just doesn’t permeate discussions in the U.S.  Maybe after the Cold War ended Americans thought they didn’t need to think about it anymore. But it is alarming on multiple levels.

@winetarelli posted:

Maybe some of it all. It just doesn’t permeate discussions in the U.S.  Maybe after the Cold War ended Americans thought they didn’t need to think about it anymore. But it is alarming on multiple levels.

you've had 60+ years of "american pride" and a large building nationalistic tendency to consider any and all things american the best started with the disturbing out in the open views of McCarthyism

to paraphrase alot of folks nowadays "the worst day in america is better than the best day in any other country"

So I don't find it surprising at all that folks nowadays care more about "solving" cultural issues vs actual issues that can affect their livelihood.  For actual issues, it's better to just complain how good the past was.

very much like the joke that was the supreme court hearings.

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On the Supreme Court nomination hearings:  These hearings are dreadful.  A 13 hour day used for Senators to pontificate, make a record, and play to their bases.  Judge Jackson is quite obviously extremely well qualified, and rather brilliant.  She should be confirmed without further ado.  But, that is not the way of the Senate, which works in rather uninspiring ways.

She spent 13 hours enduring this crap.  It's roughly the equivalent of preparing for a colonoscopy.  You gotta do it, even though it is far from enjoyable.

@irwin posted:

On the Supreme Court nomination hearings:  These hearings are dreadful.  A 13 hour day used for Senators to pontificate, make a record, and play to their bases.  Judge Jackson is quite obviously extremely well qualified, and rather brilliant.  She should be confirmed without further ado.  But, that is not the way of the Senate, which works in rather uninspiring ways.

She spent 13 hours enduring this crap.  It's roughly the equivalent of preparing for a colonoscopy.  You gotta do it, even though it is far from enjoyable.

Yep. A summary judgment seems in order here.

@irwin posted:

On the Supreme Court nomination hearings:  These hearings are dreadful.  A 13 hour day used for Senators to pontificate, make a record, and play to their bases.  Judge Jackson is quite obviously extremely well qualified, and rather brilliant.  She should be confirmed without further ado.  But, that is not the way of the Senate, which works in rather uninspiring ways.

She spent 13 hours enduring this crap.  It's roughly the equivalent of preparing for a colonoscopy.  You gotta do it, even though it is far from enjoyable.

100%

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro...above-222059376.html

Oops.

Meanwhile, in Baltimore, we have a head prosecutor (called the "State's atty) who is elected.  She is under indictment for some mortgage fraud, having signed papers and purchased two properties in Florida, stating to the mortgage company that the houses would be her "principal residence" which, of course, is inconsistent with having to run an office in Baltimore. She is in her low 40's, so it's not a retirement thing.  By lying she got a lower interest rate and has already flipped one of the properties in 1 year or so for a 30% profit, selling it to someone from Baltimore who claims not to know her.  Moreover, claiming financial Hardship to her travel company (which has not yet operated) she obtained some federal loans of covid relief money.  Financial distress for a company that has yet to operate? She makes $250K per year in her job (from which she is absent for about 25% of the time) and her husband, the head of the city council, makes about $125K.  Well, it has now come out that her grandfather contributed to her campaign in 2021 and to her husband's campaign in 2017, based on their disclosure forms.  Nothing wrong there, except the grandfather died in 2015. Another oops.

What is wrong with people? Why do they cheat?  I just don't understand why they think they are immune from prosecution.

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@irwin posted:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro...above-222059376.html

Oops.

Meanwhile, in Baltimore, we have a head prosecutor (called the "State's atty) who is elected.  She is under indictment for some mortgage fraud, having signed papers and purchased two properties in Florida, stating to the mortgage company that the houses would be her "principal residence" which, of course, is inconsistent with having to run an office in Baltimore. She is in her low 40's, so it's not a retirement thing.  By lying she got a lower interest rate and has already flipped one of the properties in 1 year or so for a 30% profit, selling it to someone from Baltimore who claims not to know her.  Moreover, claiming financial Hardship to her travel company (which has not yet operated) she obtained some federal loans of covid relief money.  Financial distress for a company that has yet to operate? She makes $250K per year in her job (from which she is absent for about 25% of the time) and her husband, the head of the city council, makes about $125K.  Well, it has now come out that her grandfather contributed to her campaign in 2021 and to her husband's campaign in 2017, based on their disclosure forms.  Nothing wrong there, except the grandfather died in 2015. Another oops.

What is wrong with people? Why do they cheat?  I just don't understand why they think they are immune from prosecution.

What immediately came to mind when I read this.  Not sure why.



Sheeeeiiittt GIF - Sheeeeiiittt GIFs

@napacat posted:

Have to admit I don't know much about her...but not a huge fan of Macron.    People are tired of career politicians.  It's tiring.  Look at Feinstein.  Term limits are desperately needed.

They're both career politicians.

And if people really are tired of career politicians why do they keep electing them?  Maybe because politics is like any other profession:  experience is a good thing?

@bman posted:

They're both career politicians.

And if people really are tired of career politicians why do they keep electing them?  Maybe because politics is like any other profession:  experience is a good thing?

One could easily argue Le Pen is far more the career politician.

Term limits, absolutely agree. I will never forget seeing Storm Thurmond being pushed in for a vote in a wheelchair and his assistant taking his hand to help him actually vote. Term limits and outlaw gerrymandering would be very high on my wish list.

@wine+art posted:

One could easily argue Le Pen is far more the career politician.

Term limits, absolutely agree. I will never forget seeing Storm Thurmond being pushed in for a vote in a wheelchair and his assistant taking his hand to help him actually vote. Term limits and outlaw gerrymandering would be very high on my wish list.

Agree.  I'd add a requirement that all primaries be open, which might help reduce the extremism on both sides when only party loyalists are allowed to vote.  There would be possible downsides (i.e. supporters of one party voting for the worst candidates of the other party) but at the moment it seems that primary candidates try to appeal only to the real nutters in their party. 

I can't imagine what is in a kindergarten or 1st or 2nd grade math text that has anything to do with CRT.  Of course, it has been a lot of time since I've seen a kindergarten math text (if I ever did).  In my view:

One Black person, plus one Latino, plus one Caucasian equals three human beings.  Maybe Gov. de Santis has a different view of this.

@irwin posted:

I can't imagine what is in a kindergarten or 1st or 2nd grade math text that has anything to do with CRT.  Of course, it has been a lot of time since I've seen a kindergarten math text (if I ever did).  In my view:

One Black person, plus one Latino, plus one Caucasian equals three human beings.  Maybe Gov. de Santis has a different view of this.

I have yet to see an example from one of the math texts, would be interesting to see what is so bothersome. 

+1 on your example

@irwin posted:
However, based on what I know about algebra, this page looks pretty fake.

I’m not sure about that, Irwin. Algebra’s pretty dynamic. Aren’t they always adding more numbers and symbols? And the value of  X keeps changing, almost every time it’s used. You could say the same for Y. There's probably a new formula for prostitution that kids have to learn to apply correctly.

i guess that’s why they call it the New Math.

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@Vino Me posted:

Patespo, Here is an example for you. References to rape, prostitution and drug dealing in math text books.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...-examples/ar-AAWiNCz

VM

So interestingly that's not actually from a textbook at all.

It's a single page assignment by someone who thinks folks should learn literature in a different format.  The full page even has "not a math assignment" on it.  Now some teachers, probably are giving it to their math students because .. there are lazy teachers out there.  That meme has been around for over 5?-7? years now

That said, I  am more upset that the current iteration of math in this country forces one to understand english.  English, being such a precise language, is just that much better at teaching algebra, especially when trying to figure out if "kind of", "possibly", really means y=mx+b.   Speaking of offensive, my 2nd grader came home with a , if 3 wise men gave 3 gifts each to our lord and saviour, how many gifts total were given.

...

"Speaking of offensive, my 2nd grader came home with a , if 3 wise men gave 3 gifts each to our lord and saviour, how many gifts total were given."

Yes, that is offensive.  My mother went to public schools in Boston and was made to recite the Lord's Prayer and to sing Christmas carols. (We're Jewish).  Of course, the joke was on them as to the singing, since my mother was tone deaf.

@irwin posted:

I can't imagine what is in a kindergarten or 1st or 2nd grade math text that has anything to do with CRT.  Of course, it has been a lot of time since I've seen a kindergarten math text (if I ever did).  In my view:

One Black person, plus one Latino, plus one Caucasian equals three human beings.  Maybe Gov. de Santis has a different view of this.

If you don't know what is in the text book...how can you say you disagree with them not allowing it into the curriculum?

@napacat posted:

If you don't know what is in the text book...how can you say you disagree with them not allowing it into the curriculum?

I'm going to go down the street from my office to visit the local elementary school.  Can't do it until next week. Hopefully, I will make it through security and I will check out our Maryland math texts for little kids.

@g-man posted:

If you don't know what is in the text book... how can you say you agree with them not allowing it into the curriculum?

It is the premise I am not agreeing with.  You don't need to teach Gender identity to K - 3rd grade kids.  I am not the one banning specific books.  You're just conflating the actual argument to try and make a point (which you certainly did not do).  Try again. 

@napacat posted:

It is the premise I am not agreeing with.  You don't need to teach Gender identity to K - 3rd grade kids.  I am not the one banning specific books.  You're just conflating the actual argument to try and make a point (which you certainly did not do).  Try again.

you didnt even see what's in the textbook to make that point. I did and I linked it for  you as an actual source.

As with gender identity, werent you the one pushing for kids to be told they're boys or girls?  Now you're arguing against it?

I'm not conflating anything, you have no argument nor a point.  The best you can do is copy and paste non original ideas that clearly have no logical point nor is backed by your actual study of the topic.

Way to be a lazy sheep.

The fun news of Desantis stripping disney of special status.

i wonder where the two florida counties are going to come up with the billion+ of operating costs to support the facilities that disney currently provides.

Not to mention longer running pension and health benefits that will be offered to the local government employees that will now have to be hired.

@g-man posted:

The fun news of Desantis stripping disney of special status.

i wonder where the two florida counties are going to come up with the billion+ of operating costs to support the facilities that disney currently provides.

Not to mention longer running pension and health benefits that will be offered to the local government employees that will now have to be hired.

Maybe all that tariff money we are “charging China”?

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@g-man posted:

The fun news of Desantis stripping disney of special status.

i wonder where the two florida counties are going to come up with the billion+ of operating costs to support the facilities that disney currently provides.

Not to mention longer running pension and health benefits that will be offered to the local government employees that will now have to be hired.

Don't forget the billion dollars in bonds that'll need to be paid back.  Under Florida law those fall on the entity that takes over once the special district is dissolved.

Unintended consequences DumbAssDeSantis.

Don't forget the billion dollars in bonds that'll need to be paid back.  Under Florida law those fall on the entity that takes over once the special district is dissolved.

Unintended consequences DumbAssDeSantis.

honestly, if i were a major shareholder of disney, I'd heavily ask them to play that exact arbitrage.

I'd load up on 100 billion worth of bonds and stick it to the govt.

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@g-man posted:

you didnt even see what's in the textbook to make that point. I did and I linked it for  you as an actual source.

As with gender identity, werent you the one pushing for kids to be told they're boys or girls?  Now you're arguing against it?

I'm not conflating anything, you have no argument nor a point.  The best you can do is copy and paste non original ideas that clearly have no logical point nor is backed by your actual study of the topic.

Way to be a lazy sheep.

Again...in case you cannot understand...I am opposed to the premise in general (of teaching Gender identity to children in K- 3rd) not a specific book.  One does not need to read a specific book to disagree with the premise.

Kids don't need to be told / taught they are boys or girls...they just are.  You are one or the other. Really quite simple. 

The point is a 3 - 5 year old cannot comprehend the complexities of gender identity.  If you cannot understand that (and the others here)...no point of discussing at all. 

It is quite incomprehensible how anyone could want to teach that to such a young group of children.  That is a parental issue ...

@napacat posted:

Again...in case you cannot understand...I am opposed to the premise in general (of teaching Gender identity to children in K- 3rd) not a specific book.  One does not need to read a specific book to disagree with the premise.

Kids don't need to be told / taught they are boys or girls...they just are.  You are one or the other. Really quite simple.

The point is a 3 - 5 year old cannot comprehend the complexities of gender identity.  If you cannot understand that (and the others here)...no point of discussing at all.

It is quite incomprehensible how anyone could want to teach that to such a young group of children.  That is a parental issue ...

at best a straw man simply because all the text books on the list for k-5th grade math do not actually teach CRT nor discuss gender identity but were banned anyway.

you clearly failed at math back when you attended whatever grade of school you did.  The burden of logical proof is on the accuser, I have given you a clear negative proof that no such topic was in the textbook yet you revert back to baseless statements.

if you can not understand that any asshole can make a random opinion and expect those of us intelligent enough to call bullshit on actually believing said random opinion, then clearly there is little help for you.

The fact that you think governance in this country should actually be run by baseless opinion is even worse.  It's literally that simple.



funny, it's all about choice, until it disagrees with your opinion, then it's about asking the government to force someone else to believe your dumb opinion.

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@g-man posted:

at best a straw man simply because all the text books on the list for k-5th grade math do not actually teach CRT nor discuss gender identity but were banned anyway.

you clearly failed at math back when you attended whatever grade of school you did.  The burden of logical proof is on the accuser, I have given you a clear negative proof that no such topic was in the textbook yet you revert back to baseless statements.

if you can not understand that any asshole can make a random opinion and expect those of us intelligent enough to call bullshit on actually believing said random opinion, then clearly there is little help for you.

The fact that you think governance in this country should actually be run by baseless opinion is even worse.  It's literally that simple.



funny, it's all about choice, until it disagrees with your opinion, then it's about asking the government to force someone else to believe your dumb opinion.

Your last paragraph, G-man, is spot on.  DeSantis would say he’s against the government regulating private industry.  Yet, he wants to regulate Disney. When cruise ships wanted to require proof of vaccination, DeSantis tried to force them not to have that standard, getting into a dust-off with Norwegian cruise line.  Florida has passed a restrictive abortion law, so it’s ok with DeSantis if the government steps into private lives.  
I fear this guy.  He is an angry and evil person.  

@irwin posted:

Your last paragraph, G-man, is spot on.  DeSantis would say he’s against the government regulating private industry.  Yet, he wants to regulate Disney. When cruise ships wanted to require proof of vaccination, DeSantis tried to force them not to have that standard, getting into a dust-off with Norwegian cruise line.  Florida has passed a restrictive abortion law, so it’s ok with DeSantis if the government steps into private lives.  
I fear this guy.  He is an angry and evil person.  

In fairness, you could easily find evidence of such contradictions about virtually every politician not just Ronnie D.

@patespo1 posted:

He thinks he's a smarter version of 45, and is rallying that base for a run in 2024.  I'll be fine if we just keep him sequestered to Florida.

Please NO!!   We need to vote him out in November.  Will be a tough job now that he has reset districts etc. to "eliminate" the black, and democrat voters.   He believes the old rule that blacks are 80% of a person, and he is afraid of them all.  He is evil, satan, and any other word that can apply. He is against free speech as shown in the Disney ruling.  Tries to demonize anyone that disagrees with him.

We have two jerks called senators that will ass kiss all they can, as they wish to draw a salary, and do nothing to earn it.

He'll never make it on the national stage.  For one, he can't control the media in every state and kick out the ones he doesn't want there like he does his press conferences in Florida.  He'll be up 24/7 against bull dog like opposition that want nothing more than to hold him accountable and point out the ignorant lying thieving bastard he his.

He'll never make it on the national stage.  For one, he can't control the media in every state and kick out the ones he doesn't want there like he does his press conferences in Florida.  He'll be up 24/7 against bull dog like opposition that want nothing more than to hold him accountable and point out the ignorant lying thieving bastard he his.

Unless he uses Putin as his media relations consultant.

@irwin posted:

Here is a link to something from the NY Times which "explains" the textbook dustup in Florida.  I must say, I do not understand this at all.  Except, I see that the textbooks extol cooperation, which is to a tyrant, a bad thing.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/loo...ected-115847845.html

One of the examples in a banned math book at the 9-12th level was a legitimate poll on race.

As someone who works in the field of stats for a career, these are things that should be taught in 9-12.  These are real world examples that we should be using to teach the kids with actual outcomes that one can use to explain a real world issue using math.

I've always hated when some of the non math oriented folks say 'I've never needed to use algebra in my life" then complain about how they should teach kids how finance and mortgages work.  (and btw, everyone uses algebra in their life)

Makes you wonder who's really the snowflake here.

@napacat posted:

Well this Roe decision is interesting.   Can't say that I am overly for either side...but anything that gets democrats this upset I'm all in for.    This is like the Holy Grail for them....besides Trump.  The only thing that would make them explode more would be to have Trump re-elected.   Interesting day.

Not just Democrats.  The majority of women and independents are enraged as well.   As is anyone who respects women.

@napacat posted:

I respect women for sure.  Funny how nobody cared about government infringement when they were mandating vaccines though right?

Completely false equivalency.  But Dr. T has done a good job explaining why vaccines are necessary in the public interest so no need for me to rehash that.

And if you don't respect a women's right to do as she pleases with her own body, you don't respect women.  Full stop.

The constitution has always been about weighing the rights of individual vs the interests of the public at large.



If one is so stupid as to think that an ignorant persons right is more important than the rest of society is anywhere near equivalent to an individual families right to their own decisions that doesnt affect the public at large, is honestly way more obtuse than I can ever imagine

1) I favor the idea that women, in consultation with their physicians, should have the right to have an abortion or not, as they choose.

2) The constitution, in reality, says nothing about abortions, contraception, same-sex marriage, or interracial marriage.  So the originalists say that if a state wants to prohibit abortions, same-sex marriage, etc., that is not violative of the constitution.  States can permit these things also.

3) Of course, at the time of the enactment of the Constitution, there were no telephones, radios, internet, cars, and so forth.  So, suppose a state passes a law saying that you cannot use your telephone to harass others by calling them at all hours of the night and so forth.   In fact, it is a crime to do this.  The defendant claims that the first amendment gives him the right  to "free speech" and he has the right to make these offensive phone calls.  I don't think that defense would be successful.  As Justice Holmes said (and I paraphrase), "You cannot yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre."  In other words, there are constitutional limits to free speech.

4) I am not offended by having limits on other things.  For example, the 2nd Amendment protects the "right to bear arms."  It is clear that a statute forbidding the sale of machine guns and howitzers to private persons is a permissible law and does not run afoul of the 2nd amendment.

5) One could argue that under Jewish law, an abortion is required to be performed if the life of the mother is in danger.  Not just permitted, but required.  If a Jewish woman finds herself in that terrible situation, would the free exercise clause of the Constitution render a statute forbidding abortion unenforceable for her?

@irwin posted:


3) Of course, at the time of the enactment of the Constitution, there were no telephones, radios, internet, cars, and so forth.  So, suppose a state passes a law saying that you cannot use your telephone to harass others by calling them at all hours of the night and so forth.   In fact, it is a crime to do this.  The defendant claims that the first amendment gives him the right  to "free speech" and he has the right to make these offensive phone calls.  I don't think that defense would be successful.  As Justice Holmes said (and I paraphrase), "You cannot yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre."  In other words, there are constitutional limits to free speech.



wouldn't I be successful in arguing 1st amendment rights if I were to call a government official in such capacity?

@irwin posted:

2) The constitution, in reality, says nothing about abortions, contraception, same-sex marriage, or interracial marriage.  So the originalists say that if a state wants to prohibit abortions, same-sex marriage, etc., that is not violative of the constitution.  States can permit these things also.



One also has to love how Originalists gloss over the 9th amendment.  (still part of our bill of rights)

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@patespo1 posted:

Yesterday's testimony confirms what we already new about 1/6;  surely no one can back 45 after hearing that, correct? 

You’re kidding, right? His fuctard followers will dig in and make themselves believe that like the election results, everything being told is a lie. Give a listen to conservative media for a few minutes. They have their own “alternative facts”, as always.

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@billhike posted:

You’re kidding, right? His fuctard followers will dig in and make themselves believe that like the election results, everything being told is a lie. Give a listen to conservative media for a few minutes. They have their own “alternative facts”, as always.

Should have added the Sarcasm font to what I posted.  Of course the dummies will make up their own rationalization for 1/6.  It's funny that he doesn't give a shit about any of them, yet they devote their lives to him. 

@patespo1 posted:

Should have added the Sarcasm font to what I posted.  Of course the dummies will make up their own rationalization for 1/6.  It's funny that he doesn't give a shit about any of them, yet they devote their lives to him.

The most amazing part to me. He’s already dismissed the daughter he’s ogled for decades. Every time he casts away or pretends not to know someone that either comes to their senses or cops a deal for leniency after admitting wrongdoing, another brainless and spineless sycophant jumps a space in line. Ted Cruz would happily clean up the pan drippings after watching 45 have his way with Heidi.

It’s a good reminder that a large percentage of Americans are complete morons.

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@napacat posted:

Just a FL question…do you think you would have been better off under Andrew Guillum?  If you reply yes….you are a moron and should lose your right to vote.  

how so?  do you have any facts that can back up the opinion that he'd do a worst job than desantis?  can you acutally name tangible things he would have done that might have taken florida backwards?



oh and did you vote for trump?  if you reply yes... you are a moron and should lose your right to vote.

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@g-man posted:

how so?  do you have any facts that can back up the opinion that he'd do a worst job than desantis?  can you acutally name tangible things he would have done that might have taken florida backwards?



oh and did you vote for trump?  if you reply yes... you are a moron and should lose your right to vote.

Of course…he was found in a hotel room in Miami Beach…drugged out.  A couple of other losers around.  He would have followed the democratic play book and locked down FL.  DeSantis was completely the right choice.  Nobody is moving to CA or NY.  You figure it out.  If your not embarrassed by Biden or Harris your head is buried in the sand.  

I'm not married to Trump…I’m married to conservative principals that when applied succeed all the time.  That’s it.  That is why it is impossible to vote for a democratic fraud.  Defend any of their policies.  Take the character actors out and defend it.  You cannot with good conscience.  Christ….democrats don’t even like Biden.

@napacat posted:

Of course…he was found in a hotel room in Miami Beach…drugged out.  A couple of other losers around.  He would have followed the democratic play book and locked down FL.  DeSantis was completely the right choice.  Nobody is moving to CA or NY.  You figure it out.  If your not embarrassed by Biden or Harris your head is buried in the sand.  

I'm not married to Trump…I’m married to conservative principals that when applied succeed all the time.  That’s it.  That is why it is impossible to vote for a democratic fraud.  Defend any of their policies.  Take the character actors out and defend it.  You cannot with good conscience.  Christ….democrats don’t even like Biden.

lol, pray tell, what conservative principals are you married to?  Alex Jones?  Tucker Carlson?

One of the principles that the GOP hasn't nailed is being proper fiscal conservatives.  that 7.1 trillion they added to the deficit sure didnt help any of the inflationary issues we see today.

From any of your posts, the only principles you care about are political dog whistles and how either side will cancel each others culture.  basically worthless talking points that don't help anyone get on with the important things like science, health or money.

@The Old Man posted:

Responding to ProSys about the viability of Gavin Newsom:

TOM, "As for this little bit of foresight I'll gladly bookmark this and remind you in 4 years that I was right."

From today's LA Times, With Kamala Harris as VP pick, Gavin Newsom’s White House hopes have stalled

"Maybe you’ve noticed: Gov. Gavin Newsom no longer looks like a promising future presidential prospect. He has been leaped over and left behind by a California ally, Sen. Kamala Harris."

Well, at least I noticed.

Since someone seems to enjoy bookmarking their ability to see the future, please tell us what you’ve noticed nowadays re: the buildup to the 2024 Election……

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