wineart 2 posted:

Duncan Hunter, a Trumpoid, and now indicted just like so many surrounding this president decided to throw his wife under the bus. I have no doubt Trump would do the same. 

It's funny, I just heard someone say something similar:  "Any parent, if given the choice between saving himself or saving his child, would probably unthinkingly sacrifice himself to save his child.  Do you think that Donald Trump would do that?  If Donald Trump and one of his kids was on a cliff and he had to either throw himself off, or had to push the child off, what do you think he would do?"

An interesting question...

 

Rothko posted:
wineart 2 posted:

Duncan Hunter, a Trumpoid, and now indicted just like so many surrounding this president decided to throw his wife under the bus. I have no doubt Trump would do the same. 

It's funny, I just heard someone say something similar:  "Any parent, if given the choice between saving himself or saving his child, would probably unthinkingly sacrifice himself to save his child.  Do you think that Donald Trump would do that?  If Donald Trump and one of his kids was on a cliff and he had to either throw himself off, or had to push the child off, what do you think he would do?"

An interesting question...

 

Tough not to respond to this one glibly, Rothko.  I honestly don't know.  Now don't get me wrong, that's bad enough.  Of all the fathers who post here that I know personally, I know the answer without thinking.  

PH

 
irwin posted:
wineart 2 posted:

In other breaking news, American patriot, hero and man of integrity has decided to lay down his sword. Godspeed, Mr. John McCain. Thank you for your lifetime of service to a country you truly loved. 

I have admired Senator McCain for years for many reasons.  Of course, his patriotism and sacrifice for our country.  His decency when he took the microphone away from a woman at a campaign rally to correct her statement that President Obama was a Muslim will never be forgotten.  Instead of trying to win at all costs, he wanted to win for the right reasons.  His bonehead pick for Vice-President may have cost him the presidency. 

Irwin, you are correct. I too recall him standing up for Obama and telling the woman she was dead wrong. Can you imagine what Trump would do in that same situation?

After years of torture, McCain was offered out of sequence early repatriation since both his father and grandfather were four star admirals. He refused and said no. 

What would bone spur Trump have done? 

wineart 2 posted:
irwin posted:
wineart 2 posted:

In other breaking news, American patriot, hero and man of integrity has decided to lay down his sword. Godspeed, Mr. John McCain. Thank you for your lifetime of service to a country you truly loved. 

I have admired Senator McCain for years for many reasons.  Of course, his patriotism and sacrifice for our country.  His decency when he took the microphone away from a woman at a campaign rally to correct her statement that President Obama was a Muslim will never be forgotten.  Instead of trying to win at all costs, he wanted to win for the right reasons.  His bonehead pick for Vice-President may have cost him the presidency. 

Irwin, you are correct. I too recall him standing up for Obama and telling the woman she was dead wrong. Can you imagine what Trump would do in that same situation?

After years of torture, McCain was offered out of sequence early repatriation since both his father and grandfather were four star admirals. He refused and said no. 

What would bone spur Trump have done? 

Of course, your question, "What would bone spur Trump have done?" is purely hypothetical.  He would never have found himself in that position.  It is interesting that he characterized Mr. Manifort as "brave" because he went to trial instead of pleading guilty and said that Manafort has been treated "very poorly", while he never used the term "brave" to describe Senator McCain and denigrated him for become a captive (through no fault of his own).  And, the President said he felt badly for Manafort.  Badly? Mr. Manafort earned 90 million bucks upon which he did not pay taxes.  Why would you feel badly for  a person who cheated the government, violated the law, and got caught?  Would you not feel badly for someone who served his country, was tortured, lost the use of an arm, and kept secrets and faith with his oath?

Manafort, it is said, had an ostrich coat.  I don't even think ostriches have coats.

The President is quite perverted in many ways.

Rothko posted:
wineart 2 posted:

Duncan Hunter, a Trumpoid, and now indicted just like so many surrounding this president decided to throw his wife under the bus. I have no doubt Trump would do the same. 

It's funny, I just heard someone say something similar:  "Any parent, if given the choice between saving himself or saving his child, would probably unthinkingly sacrifice himself to save his child.  Do you think that Donald Trump would do that?  If Donald Trump and one of his kids was on a cliff and he had to either throw himself off, or had to push the child off, what do you think he would do?"

An interesting question...

 

My first instinct is of course Trump would take a bullet for his family. Truth is, he created this web. Then I recall how he refused and to this day refuses to condemn in the strongest possible way the sick white supremist. Trump’s daughter and grandchildren are Jews, and from what I have read live in a kosher home. The very “people” he refuses to condemn do not consider his daughter and grandchildren as equals, would impose harm on them or worse simply due to their faith. These sick in the head f&#ks look at his daughter and grandchildren and subhuman, yet Trump chooses to fan the flame of his cult. 

That is a too long way of saying, I am not so sure. 

The best explanation of what motivates Trump's views on anything is that the concepts of right or wrong or is it in the public interest do not exist in his mind.  His views on anything are reduced to "good for me" or "bad for me".  Nothing else matters. 

So if it was good for him to sacrifice his kids or anyone else he would do it.  Manafort didn't flip so he is a good guy who deserves Trump's support, Cohen and now others have flipped so they are bad guys to be excoriated.  The facts or merits of the matter are irrelevant.  Not that he takes the time to understand or even think of the facts or merits of any given matter.

And I have no doubt that Trump will pardon Manafort after the mid-terms.  Unless of course he decides that doing so is not good for him.....

purplehaze posted:
Rothko posted:
wineart 2 posted:

Duncan Hunter, a Trumpoid, and now indicted just like so many surrounding this president decided to throw his wife under the bus. I have no doubt Trump would do the same. 

It's funny, I just heard someone say something similar:  "Any parent, if given the choice between saving himself or saving his child, would probably unthinkingly sacrifice himself to save his child.  Do you think that Donald Trump would do that?  If Donald Trump and one of his kids was on a cliff and he had to either throw himself off, or had to push the child off, what do you think he would do?"

An interesting question...

 

Tough not to respond to this one glibly, Rothko.  I honestly don't know.  Now don't get me wrong, that's bad enough.  Of all the fathers who post here that I know personally, I know the answer without thinking.  

PH

 

As unfortunately I have more direct insight, I think the answer is that he would clearly sacrifice his children  for his own interests.  To him they exist to reflect glory to him. When they stop being useful in that regard see you later.  He treated Tiffany like garbage for years because she was not useful to him. 

OK.... playing devil's advocate here.  A question for fathers or mothers only.  If you were given this choice, would the decision be intellectual or instinctual?  When I first read Rothko's premise, I knew immediately what I would do.  Didn't have to think for a second.  My choice was hard-wired.

Do you really think a father, even one as fked up as trump wouldn't be hard-wired to save his child?  I dislike him as intensely as I have ever disliked anyone, and still I wonder...

PH

purplehaze posted:

OK.... playing devil's advocate here.  A question for fathers or mothers only.  If you were given this choice, would the decision be intellectual or instinctual?  When I first read Rothko's premise, I knew immediately what I would do.  Didn't have to think for a second.  My choice was hard-wired.

Do you really think a father, even one as fked up as trump wouldn't be hard-wired to save his child?  I dislike him as intensely as I have ever disliked anyone, and still I wonder...

PH

Well, the situation as Rothko laid it out I think leads to an intellectual decision rather than instinctual reaction. It's one thing if a car is hurtling toward your child and you only had time to react. In this exercise, you're given a choice to jump or push. Surely you're going to pause to fully understand the predicament and see if you can't force a third option. Then you'll jump.

Rothko posted:
wineart 2 posted:

Duncan Hunter, a Trumpoid, and now indicted just like so many surrounding this president decided to throw his wife under the bus. I have no doubt Trump would do the same. 

It's funny, I just heard someone say something similar:  "Any parent, if given the choice between saving himself or saving his child, would probably unthinkingly sacrifice himself to save his child.  Do you think that Donald Trump would do that?  If Donald Trump and one of his kids was on a cliff and he had to either throw himself off, or had to push the child off, what do you think he would do?"

An interesting question...

 

Depends on if it was Don Jr. or Eric.  

sd-wineaux posted:
purplehaze posted:

OK.... playing devil's advocate here.  A question for fathers or mothers only.  If you were given this choice, would the decision be intellectual or instinctual?  When I first read Rothko's premise, I knew immediately what I would do.  Didn't have to think for a second.  My choice was hard-wired.

Do you really think a father, even one as fked up as trump wouldn't be hard-wired to save his child?  I dislike him as intensely as I have ever disliked anyone, and still I wonder...

PH

Well, the situation as Rothko laid it out I think leads to an intellectual decision rather than instinctual reaction. It's one thing if a car is hurtling toward your child and you only had time to react. In this exercise, you're given a choice to jump or push. Surely you're going to pause to fully understand the predicament and see if you can't force a third option. Then you'll jump.

But in Rothko's scenario, there isn't a third option.  You have 2 choices; jump or push.  One or the other.  And your decision to jump wasn't one you had to reason out, was it?  Did you even consider, for one nanosecond, of pushing your child off the cliff?

PH

Numerous articles this morning saying perhaps the death of McCain may help some members of the GOP to find their moral compass. 

One can hope. I never thought I would see not one but three different Fox commentators call out Trump for his habitual lies. One can hope. 

I may not have agreed with McCain's political views and decisions, but his character was never in doubt.  McCain was a big supporter for normalizing relations with Vietnam, and I thought that spoke volumes about him especially after being a POW in the same country.

My honey loves CNN.  get tired of it after awhile as they beat a story to death.  I prefer a NEWS show that tells a lot of what has happened in the world.  She watches the show at 5, 6, 7, & 8  I head off to watch history channel or Bundesliga soccer

 

 

“I don’t know how you can impeach somebody who’s done a great job.” 

“If I ever got impeached, I think the market would crash, I think everybody would be very poor, because without this thinking, you would see — you would see numbers that you wouldn’t believe in reverse.”

“A plus.”

Since the theme of this thread is things random and off topic, and I for one seem to post only about The Orange Menace, I thought I'd change things up a bit and return to the theme by sharing some important information about threadworm infestations in Madagascan lemurs, from my favourite publication, The Economist:

""Ms Peckre watched with fascination the habit of some red-fronted lemurs she had under observation in the Kirindy Forest, in Madagascar, of gnawing on benzoquinone-rich millipedes and rubbing the remains around their anuses, then swallowing them. She saw six lemurs doing this and was left wondering, why?

Lemurs’ anal regions are furry and are rarely attacked by bloodsucking arthropods. Nor would swallowing dismembered pieces of millipede seem likely to deter something that was attacking the skin. Pieces of the puzzle started to come together, though, when she and her colleagues noticed, by analysing the lemurs’ faeces, that times of peak millipede use coincided with threadworm infestations in the lemurs’ guts.

Threadworms have the repulsive habit of slithering out of their host’s anus at night and laying their eggs in the soft flesh nearby. The site where the eggs are laid itches. The infested individual either scratches or licks the site, gets the eggs on its fingers or tongue, and ultimately either swallows them or passes them on to others during grooming sessions.

Human beings, who are frequent hosts of threadworms, can deal with them using drugs such as benzimidazole, which are similar in structure to benzoquinone. Ms Peckre therefore suspects that her lemurs are employing millipedes in lieu of a trip to the pharmacy.""

irwin posted:

I think I can see why threadworms would be a subject for an article in Smithsonian magazine, or a medical journal, or Science, but why The Economist? 

 

In their Science section.  My second least favourite section, after Finance, but they do share some interesting stuff there sometimes!

It's kind of cool and weird at the same time to win an award for a job you no longer do... Still pretty chuffed that I won the top REIT Analyst - Stock Picker award from Starmine/Thomson Reuters this year. Apparently I was better at my job than I gave myself credit for!  

robsutherland posted:

It's kind of cool and weird at the same time to win an award for a job you no longer do... Still pretty chuffed that I won the top REIT Analyst - Stock Picker award from Starmine/Thomson Reuters this year. Apparently I was better at my job than I gave myself credit for!  

Congrats!  So what are you doing to celebrate?  A special bottle or a special watch?  (or both?)

robsutherland posted:

It's kind of cool and weird at the same time to win an award for a job you no longer do... Still pretty chuffed that I won the top REIT Analyst - Stock Picker award from Starmine/Thomson Reuters this year. Apparently I was better at my job than I gave myself credit for!  

Rob, congratulations! 

Now, go buy yourself a watch to mark the occasion. 

 

robsutherland posted:

It's kind of cool and weird at the same time to win an award for a job you no longer do... Still pretty chuffed that I won the top REIT Analyst - Stock Picker award from Starmine/Thomson Reuters this year. Apparently I was better at my job than I gave myself credit for!  

That's pretty awesome!!!

Congratz!

wineart 2 posted:
robsutherland posted:

It's kind of cool and weird at the same time to win an award for a job you no longer do... Still pretty chuffed that I won the top REIT Analyst - Stock Picker award from Starmine/Thomson Reuters this year. Apparently I was better at my job than I gave myself credit for!  

Rob, congratulations! 

Now, go buy yourself a watch to mark the occasion. 

 

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It's kind of cool and weird at the same time to win an award for a job you no longer do... Still pretty chuffed that I won the top REIT Analyst - Stock Picker award from Starmine/Thomson Reuters this year. Apparently I was better at my job than I gave myself credit for!  

Rob, congratulations! 

Now, go buy yourself a watch to mark the occasion. 

 

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F.P. Journey is a watch I would rarely wear. Very special though.

The Patek is a watch I could easily fit into my personal rotation and the brand will ALWAYS be in serious demand in the preowned world. 

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