It was a horrible day for democracy and our country. The sooner Trump leaves, the better.
@arsenal4ever posted:It was a horrible day for democracy and our country. The sooner Trump leaves, the better.
Trump’s comments to these thugs; “ You’re so very special. We love you.” What a sick fuck!
The Wall Street Journal called for Trump to resign today.
This will be his legacy, period. He attempted to overthrow an election. He will forever be heard telling a Republican election official to find him 11,000 plus votes and seen on video telling his cult on march to the U.S. Capitol ( he would be with them) to influence the certifying of the election. He called on his Vice President to break the Constitution of the United States. This is his legacy.
Now, we have the death of one of the Capitol police from this insurrection.
@wine+art posted:Trump’s comments to these thugs; “ You’re so very special. We love you.” What a sick fuck!
The Wall Street Journal called for Trump to resign today.
This will be his legacy, period. He attempted to overthrow an election. He will forever be heard telling a Republican election official to find him 11,000 plus votes and seen on video telling his cult on march to the U.S. Capitol ( he would be with them) to influence the certifying of the election. He called on his Vice President to break the Constitution of the United States. This is his legacy.
Now, we have the death of one of the Capitol police from this insurrection.
All true. And yet millions of Americans will continue to believe his lies and vote for whoever he supports unless others take this opportunity to persuade them that they've been conned and now need to see the truth.
Is there any doubt that the former Republican Party is the Trumpublican Party? Is there any doubt it's a cancer on our country?
PGA shanks Putin’s Bitch. I can just imagine the rage cry he had when he learned he lost the 2022 PGA Championship at one of his clubs...... 
The snow in Spain stays mainly on the plain. Just doesn't rhyme this way.
Let this sink in.
"The siege of the Capitol by supporters of President Donald Trump this week captured the nation’s deep political divide in dramatic terms: 45% of Republicans supported the break-in, while just 2% of Democrats did, according to a YouGov poll of 1,397 registered voters released on Wednesday night."
45% of Republicans support an attack, in which five people died, on the second most important building in our government.
Not to be argumentative, but it would be interesting to know the percentage breakdown by party of those that supported the protests/ riots of this summer. IMHO, it would show another example of how our divisive our country has become.
@arsenal4ever posted:Not to be argumentative, but it would be interesting to know the percentage breakdown by party of those that supported the protests/ riots of this summer. IMHO, it would show another example of how our divisive our country has become.
Protests for racial injustice vs. Domestic Terrorism on the Capitol. Not exactly apples to apples (not to be argumentative).
@patespo1 posted:Protests for racial injustice vs. Domestic Terrorism on the Capitol. Not exactly apples to apples (not to be argumentative).
Not to be argumentative; Trump called for 10 years in prison for anyone that damaged any federal property or monument during protest throughout the nation prior to his personal insurrection.
Has anyone heard such this past week? I did hear him say, “ you’re special people. We love you.” I can only imagine how the family of officer Sicknick feels. Did I miss the president offering his deep felt condolences for the murder?
From your response, I'm not sure I made myself clear in what I was asking. But I did find this article from 538 (not sure if they support one side or the other, or if that even matters). It was written in June, so a lot has happened since then, but it does show an analysis of how Democrats and Republicans viewed the protests at that time. To me, it shows another reason why we are so split as a country.
Republicans And Democrats Agree On The Protests But Not Why People Are Protesting | FiveThirtyEight
@wine+art posted:Not to be argumentative; Trump called for 10 years in prison for anyone that damaged any federal property or monument during protest throughout the nation prior to his personal insurrection.
Has anyone heard such this past week? I did hear him say, “ you’re special people. We love you.” I can only imagine how the family of officer Sicknick feels. Did I miss the president offering his deep felt condolences for the murder?
And now a second Capital police officer has died - by suicide after the invasion of the building last week.
What those who equate the summer demonstrations and what happened last week miss is that the former was spontaneous and in response to the killing of African Americans by police, while the latter was planned by a group of people who believed lies told by Trump, who then told them to March on the Capital and be strong. He also told them he would go with them....
@arsenal4ever posted:From your response, I'm not sure I made myself clear in what I was asking. But I did find this article from 538 (not sure if they support one side or the other, or if that even matters). It was written in June, so a lot has happened since then, but it does show an analysis of how Democrats and Republicans viewed the protests at that time. To me, it shows another reason why we are so split as a country.
Republicans And Democrats Agree On The Protests But Not Why People Are Protesting | FiveThirtyEight
Clearly we are a split country, there is no question.
I'm struggling to understand why anyone would compare what happened this summer with what happened at the Capitol.
Protests and Terrorism are not the same thing.
@patespo1 posted:Protests for racial injustice vs. Domestic Terrorism on the Capitol. Not exactly apples to apples (not to be argumentative).
+1 In addition I don't think most Democrats, or Americans, support the looting and destruction of property. However, apparently 45% of Republicans do.
@bman posted:What those who equate the summer demonstrations and what happened last week miss is that the former was spontaneous and in response to the killing of African Americans by police...
We watched a man murdered under the knee of a renegade cop. I've never seen anything like that and I'm guessing most of America hasn't either. I don't know how you could not protest that.
@patespo1 posted:I'm struggling to understand why anyone would compare what happened this summer with what happened at the Capitol.
Protests and Terrorism are not the same thing.
Yep.
Not sure if we have anyone here from Portland, Oregon, but there were protests there which turned violent, caused significant property destruction and loss of life. Protests which turn violent are called "riots". I don't know all of the details, of course. Perhaps if we have an Oregano (or whatever you call someone from Oregon) here, he/she can comment.
I guess I didn't make the point very well, or phrased my question very well. When TOM posted earlier today the results of a YouGov poll showing 45% of Republicans supported the Capitol riots and only 2% of Democrats did, I thought it would be informative, since we're talking about divisiveness in the country, if such a poll existed that showed the same party breakdowns for the summer protests/ riots. I thought the article from 538 was most telling.
@wine+art posted:Not to be argumentative; Trump called for 10 years in prison for anyone that damaged any federal property or monument during protest throughout the nation prior to his personal insurrection.
Has anyone heard such this past week? I did hear him say, “ you’re special people. We love you.” I can only imagine how the family of officer Sicknick feels. Did I miss the president offering his deep felt condolences for the murder?
Surely coming right after he goes on national television to urge calm among his subhuman shitstain followers over the next week. Any minute now, I’m guessing.
@arsenal4ever posted:I guess I didn't make the point very well, or phrased my question very well. When TOM posted earlier today the results of a YouGov poll showing 45% of Republicans supported the Capitol riots and only 2% of Democrats did, I thought it would be informative, since we're talking about divisiveness in the country, if such a poll existed that showed the same party breakdowns for the summer protests/ riots. I thought the article from 538 was most telling.
We buried the hatchet but you still seem to like to play the role of the devil's advocate. Nothing you can post can surpass the horror of 70 million people voting for incredibly horrid human being. And 45% of Republicans are still on board with breaking into our Capitol? I do not think you will find 45% of any people who thought that rioting in Oregon, or anywhere else, was a good idea that they support.
TOM - The whole idea behind my question and subsequent posting was to show the divisiveness in this country, and it won't, IMHO, go away with a new President. The two parties and their supporters are light years away from agreeing on just about anything. You are absolutely right that 70 million voted for the idiot, but their thoughts and actions won't disappear. We are horribly split, and I think it will take a generation or two to heal. No animosity on my part.
@arsenal4ever posted:TOM - The whole idea behind my question and subsequent posting was to show the divisiveness in this country, and it won't, IMHO, go away with a new President. The two parties and their supporters are light years away from agreeing on just about anything.
What do yuo think the breakdown would be if it was segmented by socio/economic bands instead of a simple left/right dem/repub
From the NY Times, "Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, has told associates that he believes President Trump committed impeachable offenses and that he is pleased that Democrats are moving to impeach him, believing that it will make it easier to purge him from the party, according to people familiar with his thinking. The House is voting on Wednesday to formally charge Mr. Trump with inciting violence against the country."
Oh, now it's OK to boot him, now that the snake has bit its tail, it's a little late.
The FBI is going to be awfully busy. They might need to build some cages, or make use of cells in Guantanamo Bay.
A sight to bring a smile to all true American patriots--moving boxes arriving at the White House.
@The Old Man posted:A sight to bring a smile to all true American patriots--moving boxes arriving at the White House.
Two straight days with good news from our nation’s capital.
Hope they got paid up front.
@billhike posted:The FBI is going to be awfully busy. They might need to build some cages, or make use of cells in Guantanamo Bay.
Guy moving into the WH next week probably has the guy with the blueprints on speed dial
I see what you did... 
@billhike posted:I see what you did...
Sorry. Couldn’t help myself.
In a John Frankenheimer movie the Trump Administration would now arrange to have a white Washington DC policeman shoot a black man while arresting him and make sure it's on video. Of course you'll have to declare martial law.
@The Old Man posted:In a John Frankenheimer movie the Trump Administration would now arrange to have a white Washington DC policeman shoot a black man while arresting him and make sure it's on video. Of course you'll have to declare martial law.
Well, that dean of diplomacy, captain of compassion, genius of generosity, Mr. Mypillow, is apparently advocating just that: martial law. How the fuck can anyone wearing a cross around his neck (flaunting it, actually) be so demonic?
@haggis posted:Well, that dean of diplomacy, captain of compassion, genius of generosity, Mr. Mypillow, is apparently advocating just that: martial law. How the fuck can anyone wearing a cross around his neck (flaunting it, actually) be so demonic?
The pillow guy is almost as delusional as his hero!
Yes, he will be flying to PBI on Wednesday morning and will be staying at Mar-a-Lago. Not sure how that is going to work since his agreement with the Town of Palm Beach is that he can only live there for 21 days a year. And the Town will certainly move to enforce the agreement. So I predict that he will buy another house in Palm Beach nearby and live there, just going to the club in the daytime.
Even if he does make Palm Beach his permanent residence, you won't see him around the Town. His MO has always been to spend his time almost exclusively at Mar-a-Lago and the Trump golf resort in West Palm Beach. You never saw him at restaurants or on Worth Avenue or clubs or events outside the walls of Mar-a-Lago. He was always persona non grata at the other clubs on the island. The Shiny Sheet had a great article yesterday about how some members of Mar-a-Lago are dropping their memberships; seems like they don't want to be associated with him anymore and the luster of dining next to the President at the club no longer has appeal. Plus, the planes out of PBI will no longer be diverted away from Mar-a-Lago, so it's going to be noisy again at the club. The word is also that the City of West Palm is looking into whether they can now terminate the golf course lease for the Trump International club.
I've heard that Don, Jr. is looking to buy something in Jupiter. It sure as heck won't be on Jupiter Island, that's for sure.
And there was an article about how Ivanka and Jared, who are building on Indian Creek, are going to be blackballed at the Indian Creek Country Club - since it only takes one member to blackball and several have already said they would if they applied. A great quote was from someone saying that they could drive up to Mar-a-Lago to have lunch instead (a long trip for lunch). Someone else said that, to save face, they shouldn't bother applying to the Indian Creek club at all.
So, it is going to be interesting to have all of the Trumps down here in South Florida. The fact is, I think they are going to quickly find that their power and influence will diminish greatly after January 20th.
@flwino posted:Notice that there have not been any ads on TV from this clown in past few months. Maybe he can donate a pillow for a$$holes head when he reports to jail.
They are back. Saw a bunch of his ads over the weekend.
@flwino posted:Notice that there have not been any ads on TV from this clown in past few months. Maybe he can donate a pillow for a$$holes head when he reports to jail.
There are infomercial channels in which he appears that run continually; these have never stopped running.
Was just boating behind Mar-a-Lago this afternoon and a very large moving truck was coming onto the club property.