There is no limit to the Dumps ability to lie, make shit up and show the world of his incredible stupidity and lack of any intellect.
So, in “1917” the Spanish flu ended WWI per the POS sitting in the Oval Office.
Morning Joe did a funny bit about that this morning, using the clip from "Animal House" where Bluto gives the speech about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.
@Rothko posted:Morning Joe did a funny bit about that this morning, using the clip from "Animal House" where Bluto gives the speech about the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.
🤣... don’t forget the Dump bragging about our air force dominating the skies during the American Revolution!
Harris. Bummer. Oh well.
Really? I think that is a smart pick for him.
It wasn’t Warren. I can cancel my plans to defect - for now.
I'm not thrilled with her, tbh. However, on the bright side, the VP debate is going to be a murder.
@winetarelli posted:I'm not thrilled with her, tbh. However, on the bright side, the VP debate is going to be a murder.
Kinda getting a chub in anticipation of watching that.
@billhike posted:Kinda getting a chub in anticipation of watching that.
The good thing about her is that more than anyone else Biden was considering, she can be the “attack dog” while allowing Biden to stay “above the fray”.
Oh she'll be fine. I just remember what a terrible job she did with Kavanaugh asking him that he had to be sure of what he was answering. She was implying she had some goods on him and then she never brought up again. Very poor form.
@The Old Man posted:Harris. Bummer. Oh well.
Ditto!!!
@The Old Man posted:Oh she'll be fine. I just remember what a terrible job she did with Kavanaugh asking him that he had to be sure of what he was answering. She was implying she had some goods on him and then she never brought up again. Very poor form.
The only person to emerge well from the Kavanaugh hearings was Klobachar.
The last MSNBC poll asking about Harris' as vice-president pick, she was ranked 32% favorable and 34% unfavorable. Sounds about right.
@winetarelli posted:The only person to emerge well from the Kavanaugh hearings was Klobachar.
True.
@The Old Man posted:The last MSNBC poll asking about Harris' as vice-president pick, she was ranked 32% favorable and 34% unfavorable. Sounds about right.
Yeah. I personally would have preferred Rice or Duckworth. (Or Whitmer, if white was a possibility.). But, it is what it is. She is generally fierce and she will be able to play the role of "attack dog" in the campaign allowing Biden to "stay above the fray and be Presidential" in a way other options might not have. Also, while she will be unlikely ever to receive my vote in a Presidential primary, she really is fully capable of assuming the role on a moment's notice should that become necessary.
It also says something positive about Biden's character that he picked the one person who really went after him in the primary as his running mate.
@The Old Man posted:Oh she'll be fine. I just remember what a terrible job she did with Kavanaugh asking him that he had to be sure of what he was answering. She was implying she had some goods on him and then she never brought up again. Very poor form.
Biden won’t run IMO in 2024 and Harris will start running in 2022 and become an obvious distraction.
She was dreadful as a candidate and her blunders on health care were embarrassing. She was in above her pay grade.
@wine+art posted:Biden won’t run IMO in 2024 and Harris will start running in 2022 and become an obvious distraction.
She was dreadful as a candidate and her blunders on health care were embarrassing. She was in above her pay grade.
I imagine the next person I vote for in a Presidential primary will probably be Buttigieg or Sherrod Brown, though if Yang got his shit together, learned how to campaign, and spent some time in government, he would get a real look. In the meantime, though, all that really matters is getting the orange dumpster fire out of office and delivering a Democratic Senate so his damage can begin to be undone. 2024 can't really be on our minds right now.
As a lifelong CA and SF Bay Area resident, I can attest there are a decent number of folks who aren’t in the Harris camp. When her well-known Democratic power broker “mentor” (ahem, they dated) Willie Brown stated recently he’d recommend she decline the VP nom and ascend to the Attorney General role instead if/when Biden wins, then you know there are some areas in her time as San Francisco District Attorney and California Attorney General that will be ripe for attacks by the GOP.
If she were from the Midwest and not CA, she’d be viewed as a net positive for the battles in the swing states. At this point, Dems can only hope it’s a break-even proposition with her as VP.
She lacks progressive bonafides, which will make folks in the Sanders and Warren wings of the Democratic party less than happy.
Hopefully, she doesn’t become a lightning rod or have any “gotcha” moments for the Biden campaign.
Also, CA Gov Gavin Newsom’s speech during the DNC convention could really propel him to frontrunner status for 2024 Dem primaries. You know the suburban white ladies will fall all over themselves when he hits the stage.........
Keep in mind that those who have studied these things say that the VP pick makes almost no difference at all to the actual end result. Quayle didn't cost Bush the first the election, nor did Cheney cost Bush the first. Each had more negatives than Kamala I think. Palin was terrible but the real nuttiness came out after the election.
@bman posted:Keep in mind that those who have studied these things say that the VP pick makes almost no difference at all to the actual end result. Quayle didn't cost Bush the first the election, nor did Cheney cost Bush the first. Each had more negatives than Kamala I think. Palin was terrible but the real nuttiness came out after the election.
How in the hell could you post this and not mention’ the world is flat and science denier’ the supper fluffer, Mike Pence? 🤣🤔😉... also, Cheney was the president, thank you very much!
@bman posted:""supper fluffer"??!! Don't think I want you to explain that one.....
... his evening meal.
@bman posted:Keep in mind that those who have studied these things say that the VP pick makes almost no difference at all to the actual end result. Quayle didn't cost Bush the first the election, nor did Cheney cost Bush the first. Each had more negatives than Kamala I think. Palin was terrible but the real nuttiness came out after the election.
We are in a different age nowadays, where everything meaningful is recorded and disseminated far and wide via social media (for better and worse). The spotlight is far brighter, and magnified considerably.
As long as she’s been vetted and forthcoming on everything in her history, and is ready to respond well to her variety of shortcomings, Kamala Harris should be fine and not provide any reason for the far majority of voters to consider someone other than Biden.
@wine+art posted:... his evening meal.
Who was it that said Trump spends the first hours of each day receiving makeup and getting his hair done before he starts is day? It was one of the dozens that have left his cabinet.
Pence knows his role.
When are we going to see Dump riding a bike? 🤣
@Insight posted:At this point, Dems can only hope it’s a break-even proposition with her as VP.
She lacks progressive bonafides, which will make folks in the Sanders and Warren wings of the Democratic party less than happy.
She's a positive because she is a Black woman. (Yes, she is also qualified.) Biden was not solid with the "African American community " as they say. This guarantees all those bBlack moms and their daughters will be making sure to get out to vote. As I've been saying all along there was no way he was not going to pick a Black woman.
As for Gavin Newsom in the future, certainly he'd better than the awful mayor of LA who thought he was going to become the governor, Antonio Villaraigosa or the other mayor waiting in the wings, Eric Garcetti known locally as "Mayor Yoga Pants." But in general I would say fat chance.
Klobuchar should have been the choice IMO. Don’t get Harris at all.
@bman posted: Palin was terrible but the real nuttiness came out after the election.
I don't know who didn't see her nuttiness before the election! Also I believe it's commonly accepted at this point that Sarah Palin hurt John McCain's numbers.
@csm posted:Klobuchar should have been the choice IMO. Don’t get Harris at all.
I was a Klobuchar supporter but it's been obvious for for many weeks it was going to be a Black woman.
@The Old Man posted:I was a Klobuchar supporter but it's been obvious for for many weeks it was going to be a Black woman.
It was probably going to be a black woman, granted. All of the reporting was that Duckworth was in the running. There was reporting on Whitmer, too. Klobuchar was out speficially because of her record on policing in Minnesota as a white DA. To be fair, if Harris were white, there's no way she would be on the ticket, too. But that doesn't necessarily mean an Asian (or in Whitmer / Warren's cases, white) woman who didn't have that baggage was automatically going to be excluded. Maybe in the end it was going to be a black woman, but the reporting was that up until the end it wasn't exclusively black women being considered.
@winetarelli posted:It was probably going to be a black woman, granted. All of the reporting was that Duckworth was in the running. There was reporting on Whitmer, too. Klobuchar was out speficially because of her record on policing in Minnesota as a white DA. To be fair, if Harris were white, there's no way she would be on the ticket, too. But that doesn't necessarily mean an Asian (or in Whitmer / Warren's cases, white) woman who didn't have that baggage was automatically going to be excluded. Maybe in the end it was going to be a black woman, but the reporting was that up until the end it wasn't exclusively black women being considered.
Or put another way, or at least obvious to me as I already stated here two weeks ago, after Black Lives Matter, there is no way it was going to be other than a Black woman.
@The Old Man posted:She's a positive because she is a Black woman. (Yes, she is also qualified.) Biden was not solid with the "African American community " as they say. This guarantees all those bBlack moms and their daughters will be making sure to get out to vote. As I've been saying all along there was no way he was not going to pick a Black woman.
As for Gavin Newsom in the future, certainly he'd better than the awful mayor of LA who thought he was going to become the governor, Antonio Villaraigosa or the other mayor waiting in the wings, Eric Garcetti known locally as "Mayor Yoga Pants." But in general I would say fat chance.
I live in a city with a not insignificant black population. Harris is considered more “black adjacent” than truly “black”. She’s half Jamaican and half Indian (south Asian). She’s not viewed as “black” by the African-American community the way Susan Rice, Karen Bass, Val Demings, Stacey Abrams and Keisha Lance Bottoms are. She’s not black like Michelle Obama or Maxine Waters. Heck, she’s not black like even Kanye West.
As for Newsom, he wouldn’t get slotted into the final night’s lineup of speakers if he wasn’t considered a serious contender for the 2024 primaries. He was on the LGBTQ train very early in his political career. CA is as progressive of an entity as you’ll find amongst any of the top economies of the entire world. He initially did a fine job of navigating CA through the early months of the pandemic, and even though we subsequently again trended upwards, it’s not at the levels that FL, TX, AZ, GA and other places are currently suffering. He’s absolutely got the looks and the charisma, which oftentimes are all the casual voter cares about. His warts of banging the wife of his campaign manager and overconsumption of alcohol pale in comparison to Putin’s Bitch’s history. Heck, even the fact Newsom’s ex-wife is nowadays a hot mess of COVID-19 shacking up with Putin’s Bitch’s failson would be considered a positive by a segment of voters.
@Insight posted:I live in a city with a not insignificant black population. Harris is considered more “black adjacent” than truly “black”. She’s half Jamaican and half Indian (south Asian). She’s not viewed as “black” by the African-American community the way Susan Rice, Karen Bass, Val Demings, Stacey Abrams and Keisha Lance Bottoms are. She’s not black like Michelle Obama or Maxine Waters. Heck, she’s not black like even Kanye West.
It's always good to hear a white man tell a Black woman she's not really a Black woman. It's a little bit like hearing that little putz Ben Shapiro tell Jews they aren't really Jewish if they don't support Trump's Israeli strategy. I am well aware of how she is viewed by African-Americans. However she IS a Black American woman. And I'm thinking it will be enough to spur a large number of Black Americans to go out there and vote for Biden over sitting at home and letting the racist in the White House win.
@The Old Man posted:I was a Klobuchar supporter but it's been obvious for for many weeks it was going to be a Black woman.
Agree with you I just happen to think it was a poor choice if the goal is to win the election. I don’t see what Harris does to move the needle for Biden.
@The Old Man posted:It's always good to hear a white man tell a Black woman she's not really a Black woman. It's a little bit like hearing that little putz Ben Shapiro tell Jews they aren't really Jewish if they don't support Trump's Israeli strategy. I am well aware of how she is viewed by African-Americans. However she IS a Black American woman. And I'm thinking it will be enough to spur a large number of Black Americans to go out there and vote for Biden over sitting at home and letting the racist in the White House when.
It’s never good for an old white man (my presumption since I haven’t met you) to assume that a white man was making the comment about “black adjacent”. I know you’re unaware that I have good friends, clients and industry colleagues who happen to be African-American. Or that I grew up in a neighborhood where black folk were the majority, and white folk were the most represented minority.
To you, she is black. To the black community, it’s a bit more nuanced. I’ll trust their feedback and opinions more than yours every time on this subject.
@csm posted:Agree with you I just happen to think it was a poor choice if the goal is to win the election. I don’t see what Harris does to move the needle for Biden.
As I said there is no question it's going to help with black voters. And Biden was soft in that area. Also she does no harm like Bass in her idiotic comments about Scientology and Fidel Castro.
@The Old Man posted:As for this little bit of foresight I'll gladly bookmark this and remind you in 4 years that I was right.
You were right about what? I’ve stated he will be a real contender for the 2024 primaries. What are you stating?
@Insight posted:You were right about what? I’ve stated he will be a real contender for the 2024 primaries. What are you stating?
That he won't. What else?