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The discussions above have made me ruminate about something. I've often said that even if I disagreed with someone here online, that wouldn't stop me from sitting down with them face to face, and enjoy sharing a bottle of wine. I still believe that. I'd love to sit down with both Napa and TOM someday, though probably not at the same time.

That said, my best friend is a man who loves to entertain. Often times when he invites me over, I discover that I'm only one of many guests at his house that evening. There is a certain "gentleman" that his wife keeps inviting (she's a bit of a social-climber), whom I cannot stand. He is a local, small-time politician who thinks that pearls continually drop from his lips and everything he touches turns to gold. I've never met someone so in love with himself. I've shared wine with him on several occasions over the years, and the funny thing is, he never remembers me. (Not important enough, I guess. Just someone in the crowd.) I never call him out on it, as it would be bad form at a function; but every time, as soon as he realizes that I'm not going along with his BS like the rest of the crowd, you can see the change come into his eyes. They become cold and lizard-like, and he soon finds a reason to leave for another party (and to a more receptive crowd, I assume). That I can't abide sharing wine with this guy, even for a small amount of time, bothers me a little bit, I guess. Feels like a character flaw in me.

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@mneeley490 posted:

The discussions above have made me ruminate about something. I've often said that even if I disagreed with someone here online, that wouldn't stop me from sitting down with them face to face, and enjoy sharing a bottle of wine. I still believe that. I'd love to sit down with both Napa and TOM someday, though probably not at the same time.

That said, my best friend is a man who loves to entertain. Often times when he invites me over, I discover that I'm only one of many guests at his house that evening. There is a certain "gentleman" that his wife keeps inviting (she's a bit of a social-climber), whom I cannot stand. He is a local, small-time politician who thinks that pearls continually drop from his lips and everything he touches turns to gold. I've never met someone so in love with himself. I've shared wine with him on several occasions over the years, and the funny thing is, he never remembers me. (Not important enough, I guess. Just someone in the crowd.) I never call him out on it, as it would be bad form at a function; but every time, as soon as he realizes that I'm not going along with his BS like the rest of the crowd, you can see the change come into his eyes. They become cold and lizard-like, and he soon finds a reason to leave for another party (and to a more receptive crowd, I assume). That I can't abide sharing wine with this guy, even for a small amount of time, bothers me a little bit, I guess. Feels like a character flaw in me.

I don’t see how not enjoying socializing with disingenuous phonies as a character flaw in you. Sitting there with a fake smile and nodding along would make you one of them. 

@bman posted:

Given the fact that he never shuts up and has often tweeted dozens of times a day, odds are that he would come up up with the odd rational thought. So what?  Proves nothing, especially balanced against the millions of crazy and dangerous things he's said. 

And why do you suggest college students are idiots?  

 

It certainly was way too broad and general of a statement...but when they agree with the words / premise, then disagree with them once it is revealed who uttered them...seems to me that they were not WOKE enough and are only faking it.

@mneeley490 posted:

The discussions above have made me ruminate about something. I've often said that even if I disagreed with someone here online, that wouldn't stop me from sitting down with them face to face, and enjoy sharing a bottle of wine. I still believe that. I'd love to sit down with both Napa and TOM someday, though probably not at the same time.

That said, my best friend is a man who loves to entertain. Often times when he invites me over, I discover that I'm only one of many guests at his house that evening. There is a certain "gentleman" that his wife keeps inviting (she's a bit of a social-climber), whom I cannot stand. He is a local, small-time politician who thinks that pearls continually drop from his lips and everything he touches turns to gold. I've never met someone so in love with himself. I've shared wine with him on several occasions over the years, and the funny thing is, he never remembers me. (Not important enough, I guess. Just someone in the crowd.) I never call him out on it, as it would be bad form at a function; but every time, as soon as he realizes that I'm not going along with his BS like the rest of the crowd, you can see the change come into his eyes. They become cold and lizard-like, and he soon finds a reason to leave for another party (and to a more receptive crowd, I assume). That I can't abide sharing wine with this guy, even for a small amount of time, bothers me a little bit, I guess. Feels like a character flaw in me.

I'd have a bottle of wine with you and the Old Man.  Could be very fun.

@thistlintom posted:

According to CNN, Greta Thunberg is an expert on corona virus

Don't think they ever called her an expert, she's there to attract a different-than-usual audience to hear other experts. CNN had a virus town hall with Sesame Street characters for the same reason. And no doubt she is a more reliable interlocutor on the virus than Trump. Unless of course she suggests injecting disinfectant.....

@thistlintom posted:

CNN had named her as being on an expert panel on corona virus.  It appears she is backing away from the panel after all the flack on Twitter 

Just repeating this doesn't make it true. There is NOWHERE where CNN called her an "expert on the corona virus (sic.)" They did have her sit on the panel to help engage young people--the horror!

Stop spreading lies.

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@The Old Man posted:

Just repeating this doesn't make it true. There is NOWHERE where CNN called her an "expert on the corona virus (sic.)" They did have her sit on the panel to help engage young people--the horror!

Stop spreading lies.

Chill out.  So it wasn’t accurate, but you have a 16 year old prop along with a group of experts on a panel.  It Is rather ridiculous, even for CNN.  I found it comical that they would use her on this townhall.

@thistlintom posted:

Chill out.  So it wasn’t accurate, but you have a 16 year old prop along with a group of experts on a panel.  It Is rather ridiculous, even for CNN.  I found it comical that they would use her on this townhall.

See my post above for why she is there. Not comical at all if she brings in an audience who wouldn't otherwise be there, which is the point.  Like when they did a virus town hall with the Muppets.  

Now the conspiracy theorists on Fox, those guys are comical!  

 

@napacat posted:

This is not a “bait” question....and this would have never crossed my mind.  Why the need to release prisoners from jail due to Covid...that is the ultimate quarantine...jail!  Seems wrong on every level....especially when it comes to more hardened criminals.   A logical explanation is welcome.

Well. You don’t release the hardened criminals. You release the criminals near the end of their sentence, potentially to house arrest, to make the jails safer for everyone, including the guards. And to be humane to those nearing the end of a sentence given that institutions have become petri dishes for this. 

@The Old Man posted:

Column: I’ve gotten hate mail my whole career. But I’m shocked by the anti-Semitic rants from Trump supporters lately

I'm not. A key sentence: "Now, I don’t have any particular reason to believe Trump shares all the views of his nuttiest supporters. But like many people, I believe he encourages them. He fans the flames of intolerance and division, and caters too often to a bigoted crowd."

Not really sure what there is be shocked about - it has been 4+ years of normalizing and enabling bigots to spew filth.  

As I have posted previously, it is almost 3 years since a guy on a cruise we were on to Cuba was openly showing his swastika tattoos.  Bigots are more free now to reveal their actual views than the racists and anti-semites were in Alabama when I was growing up in the 70s.  I was on the receiving end of plenty of anti-semitism (and racism for my teammates) generally and especially when we hit the smaller towns for basketball games but in terms of open and public spewing - things are insane

I don't know the details of what you two are discussing but two things.

1) Don't do it the dumb way.  If states have done dumb things (they have!) that doesn't mean releasing many prisoners isn't a good idea.

2) I don't know what you've heard or read, but overall crime is way down right now.  (Domestic violence is an outlier and up about 10%.)  It varies upon city, but overall crime appears to be staggeringly down in cities across the country; 15% to 60++% down. You wouldn't know it to watch the news, but that is a function of the sensationalistic bias of news coverage, not of reality.  

Here is a Twitter thread from early April written by a very bright woman I once knew who happens now to be a professor of criminal law at UNC Chapel Hill .  

https://twitter.com/CBHessick/.../1246927648120602624

I sure would like to see some statistics from those in Washington and California. I live in California I'm not aware of any "havoc." And apparently there's "major havoc" in WA. These releases have been going on for less than a month. I can't find any citations for these horror stories though I'm sure there are some who have re-offended, but not to the degree the two previous posters have said.

"We have had a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults." Again I can't find any citation can you provide a link?

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Tweeted by Trump today:

""Fox News is doing nothing to help Republicans, and me, get re-elected on November 3rd. Sure, there are some truly GREAT people on Fox, but you also have some real “garbage” littered all over the network, people like Dummy Juan Williams, Schumerite Chris Hahn, Richard Goodstein, Donna Brazile, Niel Cavuto, and many others. They repeat the worst of the Democrat speaking points, and lies. All of the good is totally nullified, and more. Net Result = BAD!""

Wonder if anyone at Fox will tell him that ir's not really their job to get him and and Republicans elected. Aside from the people on Fox and Friends.  And Tucker Carlson.  And Hannity.  And.....

For around 2 months or so, most states were shut down in one respect or another.  Malls, theatres, concert halls, schools, and houses of worship have been closed.  The result?  No mass shootings, because there were no mass gatherings of people.  Since there were fewer people going to work and many workplaces shut down, there were many fewer automobile accidents and many fewer workplace injuries.  Air pollution was down here, and in some very polluted cities around the globe.

As states "open" there was a shooting a few days ago at a mall in the Phoenix AZ area. 3 persons wounded.  When schools open in the fall we will have school shootings again.  As houses of worship open, we can anticipate more horrible shootings at these institutions.  And, as factories and other workplaces open and more people drive their cars, we can have more accidents and more air pollution. 

We can call this the “old normal.”

 

 

@mneeley490 posted:

This started long before the Coronavirus set in. That has only accelerated it.

Well now I am confused. I thought we were talking about prisoners released because of concern over the Coronavirus. As I said those release programs have barely been around for more than a month. You were talking, I thought, about "major havoc" and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults" due to those releases. As I said, I can't find any reference for this going on in the last month. Even Fox News, who you know would beat the drum on this, has nothing. Now to back up what you said you want me to watch documentaries made before the pandemic? I'll pass.

@The Old Man posted:

Well now I am confused. I thought we were talking about prisoners released because of concern over the Coronavirus. As I said those release programs have barely been around for more than a month. You were talking, I thought, about "major havoc" and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults" due to those releases. As I said, I can't find any reference for this going on in the last month. Even Fox News, who you know would beat the drum on this, has nothing. Now to back up what you said you want me to watch documentaries made before the pandemic? I'll pass.

Her's a link for you...read this.   https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...onavirus-murder.html

Is the NY Times a good enough reference for you?  I know you did not like my last one.  It would never have crossed my mind to release anyone from jail due to C-19.  They are in the ultimate quarantined environment...and the Left says quarantines are good.  So keep them there.  Now this scumbag will get locked back up for good...or worse (I mean better).

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