CNN had named her as being on an expert panel on corona virus. It appears she is backing away from the panel after all the flack on Twitter
@The Old Man posted:Citation or I call BS which is a nice way of saying lying.
Trump Jr said it so it's gotta be true.
Maybe she should be on an influenza panel. Far bigger problem, no?
@thistlintom posted:CNN had named her as being on an expert panel on corona virus. It appears she is backing away from the panel after all the flack on Twitter
Just repeating this doesn't make it true. There is NOWHERE where CNN called her an "expert on the corona virus (sic.)" They did have her sit on the panel to help engage young people--the horror!
Stop spreading lies.
@The Old Man posted:Just repeating this doesn't make it true. There is NOWHERE where CNN called her an "expert on the corona virus (sic.)" They did have her sit on the panel to help engage young people--the horror!
Stop spreading lies.
Chill out. So it wasn’t accurate, but you have a 16 year old prop along with a group of experts on a panel. It Is rather ridiculous, even for CNN. I found it comical that they would use her on this townhall.
“So it wasn’t accurate”
Wow. By the way, she is 17. Minor detail for sure. Not that a fact would matter to some.
@thistlintom posted:Chill out. So it wasn’t accurate, but you have a 16 year old prop along with a group of experts on a panel. It Is rather ridiculous, even for CNN. I found it comical that they would use her on this townhall.
See my post above for why she is there. Not comical at all if she brings in an audience who wouldn't otherwise be there, which is the point. Like when they did a virus town hall with the Muppets.
Now the conspiracy theorists on Fox, those guys are comical!
@napacat posted:I'd have a bottle of wine with you and the Old Man. Could be very fun.
If you're ever in Seattle, let me know. Lots of good WA wines up here.
@mneeley490 posted:If you're ever in Seattle, let me know. Lots of good WA wines up here.
Kind of you...it’s the one place in the U.S. I have always wanted to go but have not yet. Cheers!
@bman posted:See my post above for why she is there. Not comical at all if she brings in an audience who wouldn't otherwise be there, which is the point. Like when they did a virus town hall with the Muppets.
Now the conspiracy theorists on Fox, those guys are comical!
The muppets would have been a better choice
@thistlintom posted:The muppets would have been a better choice
So you posted the same lie twice about CNN. I assume you also spread that lie elsewhere besides here. And this is your best response? Why bother?
This is not a “bait” question....and this would have never crossed my mind. Why the need to release prisoners from jail due to Covid...that is the ultimate quarantine...jail! Seems wrong on every level....especially when it comes to more hardened criminals. A logical explanation is welcome.
@napacat posted:This is not a “bait” question....and this would have never crossed my mind. Why the need to release prisoners from jail due to Covid...that is the ultimate quarantine...jail! Seems wrong on every level....especially when it comes to more hardened criminals. A logical explanation is welcome.
Well. You don’t release the hardened criminals. You release the criminals near the end of their sentence, potentially to house arrest, to make the jails safer for everyone, including the guards. And to be humane to those nearing the end of a sentence given that institutions have become petri dishes for this.
Well put.
I'm not. A key sentence: "Now, I don’t have any particular reason to believe Trump shares all the views of his nuttiest supporters. But like many people, I believe he encourages them. He fans the flames of intolerance and division, and caters too often to a bigoted crowd."
@The Old Man posted:I'm not. A key sentence: "Now, I don’t have any particular reason to believe Trump shares all the views of his nuttiest supporters. But like many people, I believe he encourages them. He fans the flames of intolerance and division, and caters too often to a bigoted crowd."
Not really sure what there is be shocked about - it has been 4+ years of normalizing and enabling bigots to spew filth.
As I have posted previously, it is almost 3 years since a guy on a cruise we were on to Cuba was openly showing his swastika tattoos. Bigots are more free now to reveal their actual views than the racists and anti-semites were in Alabama when I was growing up in the 70s. I was on the receiving end of plenty of anti-semitism (and racism for my teammates) generally and especially when we hit the smaller towns for basketball games but in terms of open and public spewing - things are insane
California's No Bail Law, coupled with COVID-19 releases, is also causing havoc. Those arrested on 'misdemeanor' charges are released within 12 hours. Not surprisingly, many commit crimes shortly thereafter. Even the ACLU doesn't back the law.
I don't know the details of what you two are discussing but two things.
1) Don't do it the dumb way. If states have done dumb things (they have!) that doesn't mean releasing many prisoners isn't a good idea.
2) I don't know what you've heard or read, but overall crime is way down right now. (Domestic violence is an outlier and up about 10%.) It varies upon city, but overall crime appears to be staggeringly down in cities across the country; 15% to 60++% down. You wouldn't know it to watch the news, but that is a function of the sensationalistic bias of news coverage, not of reality.
Here is a Twitter thread from early April written by a very bright woman I once knew who happens now to be a professor of criminal law at UNC Chapel Hill .
I sure would like to see some statistics from those in Washington and California. I live in California I'm not aware of any "havoc." And apparently there's "major havoc" in WA. These releases have been going on for less than a month. I can't find any citations for these horror stories though I'm sure there are some who have re-offended, but not to the degree the two previous posters have said.
"We have had a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults." Again I can't find any citation can you provide a link?
Tweeted by Trump today:
""Fox News is doing nothing to help Republicans, and me, get re-elected on November 3rd. Sure, there are some truly GREAT people on Fox, but you also have some real “garbage” littered all over the network, people like Dummy Juan Williams, Schumerite Chris Hahn, Richard Goodstein, Donna Brazile, Niel Cavuto, and many others. They repeat the worst of the Democrat speaking points, and lies. All of the good is totally nullified, and more. Net Result = BAD!""
Wonder if anyone at Fox will tell him that ir's not really their job to get him and and Republicans elected. Aside from the people on Fox and Friends. And Tucker Carlson. And Hannity. And.....
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This made me laugh. Thanks! I especially like “flatulence” and “circumvent”.
For around 2 months or so, most states were shut down in one respect or another. Malls, theatres, concert halls, schools, and houses of worship have been closed. The result? No mass shootings, because there were no mass gatherings of people. Since there were fewer people going to work and many workplaces shut down, there were many fewer automobile accidents and many fewer workplace injuries. Air pollution was down here, and in some very polluted cities around the globe.
As states "open" there was a shooting a few days ago at a mall in the Phoenix AZ area. 3 persons wounded. When schools open in the fall we will have school shootings again. As houses of worship open, we can anticipate more horrible shootings at these institutions. And, as factories and other workplaces open and more people drive their cars, we can have more accidents and more air pollution.
We can call this the “old normal.”
@mneeley490 posted:This started long before the Coronavirus set in. That has only accelerated it.
Well now I am confused. I thought we were talking about prisoners released because of concern over the Coronavirus. As I said those release programs have barely been around for more than a month. You were talking, I thought, about "major havoc" and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults" due to those releases. As I said, I can't find any reference for this going on in the last month. Even Fox News, who you know would beat the drum on this, has nothing. Now to back up what you said you want me to watch documentaries made before the pandemic? I'll pass.
@The Old Man posted:Well now I am confused. I thought we were talking about prisoners released because of concern over the Coronavirus. As I said those release programs have barely been around for more than a month. You were talking, I thought, about "major havoc" and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults" due to those releases. As I said, I can't find any reference for this going on in the last month. Even Fox News, who you know would beat the drum on this, has nothing. Now to back up what you said you want me to watch documentaries made before the pandemic? I'll pass.
Her's a link for you...read this. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...onavirus-murder.html
Is the NY Times a good enough reference for you? I know you did not like my last one. It would never have crossed my mind to release anyone from jail due to C-19. They are in the ultimate quarantined environment...and the Left says quarantines are good. So keep them there. Now this scumbag will get locked back up for good...or worse (I mean better).
And how about that new press secretary. She's a ball of fire. That briefing today showing the press the questions they should be asking was right on point and very entertaining.
Did you think I was saying that there would not be any increase in crime when you release prisoners early? I never said anything like that. Very common for you to take on things which I never said. The OP stated that there is "major havoc"and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults" in Washington State. He gives no backup for the claim and then refers me to movies from before the pandemic. I looked through the internet and also could not find any statistics. You respond by giving me and on related single incident. I'm sorry but it doesn't show anything about havoc in a rampage of crimes in Washington state from the pandemic.
I wish I didn't take the time to respond to you. But your comments are, here I go, usually not as clever as you think.
@The Old Man posted:Did you think I was saying that there would not be any increase in crime when you release prisoners early? I never said anything like that. Very common for you to take on things which I never said. The OP stated that there is "major havoc"and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults" in Washington State. He gives no backup for the claim and then refers me to movies from before the pandemic. I looked through the internet and also could not find any statistics. You respond by giving me and on related single incident. I'm sorry but it doesn't show anything about havoc in a rampage of crimes in Washington state from the pandemic.
I wish I didn't take the time to respond to you. But your comments are, here I go, usually not as clever as you think.
I think that family of the person murdered would consider that major havoc. This is not Washington state specific. It's in general. Very bad principal to release prisoners. Complete link here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...onavirus-murder.html
Also shows you did not read the article...since my link was incomplete. I'm surprised this happened in FL. What goes through a person's mind that makes them think it is a good idea to release prisoners? The poor family. I will also have to search as I know this happened somewhere else to a girl.
@napacat posted:I think that family of the person murdered would consider that major havoc. Of course it is, but a single incident is not what the OP was referring to. Any death is sad, but to the public at large a single death is not "major havoc" nor does it prove that there is "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults."
This is not Washington state specific. And WE were talking about Washington state.
It's in general. Very bad principal to release prisoners. Who said it's not? Not me, so who are you talking to? I think governors are dealing with an unprecedented crisis. It's not helped by having decades of over-crowded prisons because the US have the highest percentage of incarcerated people in the world.
Complete link here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0...onavirus-murder.html
Also shows you did not read the article...since my link was incomplete. It worked fine for me so again what are you talking about? I'm surprised this happened in FL. I saw it was in FL, that's why I said you were off topic. What goes through a person's mind that makes them think it is a good idea to release prisoners? I don't know.
@napacat posted:And how about that new press secretary. She's a ball of fire. That briefing today showing the press the questions they should be asking was right on point and very entertaining.
The President's new press secretary is brilliant. She held up for all to see Mr. Trump's check, whereby he donates his salary to some worthy entity, showing to the world his account number and routing number. Gives a whole new meaning to the concept of a moron.
She may be a "ball of fire" but she is likely to flame out quite quickly with mistakes like this.
@mneeley490 posted:If you, TOM, were in the widget-making business, and you stated that there has been a major uptick in the sale of widgets, I, not knowing much about widgets or even being involved with them, would very likely take your word for it. I am in this business.
Widgets are not as important as "major havoc" and "a major uptick in burglaries, robberies, and assaults." However, if you doubted my widget sales during the pandemic (they're used to make PPE as you know) it would take me about one minute to generate a report on my sales. Also since we're talking about my current sales I would not keep referring you look at my last year's, or even earlier, annual reports from TOM Widgets Inc.
I bad. Put a Riedel in the dish washer. No more glass
Is tomorrow wednesday or august?
@vinoevelo posted:Is tomorrow wednesday or august?
Yes.
There's probably nothing in that account anyway. 
Cornflakes are nice.