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haggis posted:
thistlintom posted:
wineismylife posted:
thistlintom posted:

So the Dems had a cornucopia of candidates for president, various sexes, sexuality and colors.  Now they have two white, male candidates that will be over 80 years old during the next presidential term.  What happened?

The same thing that has been happening in the Republican party for decades.

no, Trump is the eldest elected Republican president.  Reagan and Bush were in their 60's when elected.  Biden and Bernie will be the oldest ever if elected.  

I thought the Dems were the woke party and would elect a diverse candidate.  Republicans don't claim to be woke.

I seem to recall an African American who served two terms as President.  And, several "woke" candidates (openly gay; openly Buddhist), which is more than one can say about that other party.  Seems like more diverse to me, but that's just "a hunch"

"WOKE" may be the dumbest term ever coined.  Just moronic.  

ProSys posted:

The easy joke is that the GOP finally has a person of color (orange, obviously) in the Oval Office.

The sad thing is that Putin’s Bitch has brought the dummies and racists out in force.  And worse, he’s the absolute last person you’d want to be in charge when a pandemic is spinning up........

You sir are a moron. Do you really think Russia influenced the 2016 election with a few hundred thousand $ spent on Facebook?  Christ...give it a rest.  If any idiot is getting their news / message from Facebook they deserved to be duped.

ProSys posted:

The easy joke is that the GOP finally has a person of color (orange, obviously) in the Oval Office.

The sad thing is that Putin’s Bitch has brought the dummies and racists out in force.  And worse, he’s the absolute last person you’d want to be in charge when a pandemic is spinning up........

The easy joke is that the GOP finally has a person of color (orange, obviously) in the Oval Office.

 

This is funny!

Bill Maher was excellent last night sticking up for Chris Matthews.  I read what Matthews said regarding the comparison to the Sanders campaign and the Nazi takeover of France and cant believe he had to apologize or lose his job over that....just crazy snowflakes and woke fools nowadays.

Did Matthews comment warrant his resignation?  

napacat posted:

Bill Maher was excellent last night sticking up for Chris Matthews.  I read what Matthews said regarding the comparison to the Sanders campaign and the Nazi takeover of France and cant believe he had to apologize or lose his job over that....just crazy snowflakes and woke fools nowadays.

Did Matthews comment warrant his resignation?  

It wasn't just that comment.  There were also alleged inappropriate "advances" on one or more female guests on his show, among other things.  He was talking about retiring sometime this year, but it seems the cumulative impact of remarks, advances, innuendos accelerated the process.  It is certainly not the way anyone expected him to go out.

The clueless one in the WH, just assured America by talking mostly about their money. (Temporary payroll tax deduction, etc.) Yes the economy is important, but health needs to come first. Of course the bigot in chief is primarily concerned abut the economy and the election. Everything is always about him.

Must say the VP is the first time anyone has presented themselves a mature adult from the current administration. It's a reminder of how wonderful it would be if we can get back to normal in 2021. Think how much Pence has to debase himself to work with the pussy-grabber in chief.

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napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

So a guy in his 70s who had a heart attack fairly recently has to conform to your expectations about room temperature???

Yet again you confirm you truly are dumber than you look.

napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

The fact that 45 is completely mishandling the Coronavirus is not the same as the Dems making it political.  It is just becoming more obvious to anyone with multiple brain cells that the guy is completely incompetent and has no business holding the Office.  

The Stock Market hates uncertainty, and lack of leadership, and if it continues into Bear Market territory, Trump is toast.  Pointing this out isn't a political statement, just the facts. The market is all he has to promote (other than those that vote for his racism and misogyny.)   

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ProSys posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

So a guy in his 70s who had a heart attack fairly recently has to conform to your expectations about room temperature???

Yet again you confirm you truly are dumber than you look.

Typical Liberal response...blame someone or something else.  Who cares that he had a heart attack...nothing to do with the story or room temp.  You miss the whole point...I never implied I had expectations for room temp.  Just the opposite...this is America, you should be able to set your room temp to anything you want.  

Liberals' are the ones that want to control that and "protect" the environment (Bernie), but a hypocrite when it comes directly to their comfort.  

 Hope that will help you understand better.  Truly went right over your head.  

patespo1 posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

The fact that 45 is completely mishandling the Coronavirus is not the same as the Dems making it political.  It is just becoming more obvious to anyone with multiple brain cells that the guy is completely incompetent and has no business holding the Office.  

The Stock Market hates uncertainty, and lack of leadership, and if it continues into Bear Market territory, Trump is toast.  Pointing this out isn't a political statement, just the facts. The market is all he has to promote (other than those that vote for his racism and misogyny.)   

What more do you need the government to do regarding this?  

napacat posted:
patespo1 posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

The fact that 45 is completely mishandling the Coronavirus is not the same as the Dems making it political.  It is just becoming more obvious to anyone with multiple brain cells that the guy is completely incompetent and has no business holding the Office.  

The Stock Market hates uncertainty, and lack of leadership, and if it continues into Bear Market territory, Trump is toast.  Pointing this out isn't a political statement, just the facts. The market is all he has to promote (other than those that vote for his racism and misogyny.)   

What more do you need the government to do regarding this?  

Maybe not lie about the severity of the current situation, by trying to minimize real numbers of those contaminated, and saying that warm weather will wipe out the virus.  Just a few things off the top of my head. 

Yes - our low testing figures for the virus compared to other countries is typical liberal response rather than an actual fact - numbers which cannot be disputed.  But now and to the administration - facts are irrelevant; science is irrelevant - the only thing that matters is what makes Drumpf look better and what will help him be re-elected 

napacat posted:
patespo1 posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

The fact that 45 is completely mishandling the Coronavirus is not the same as the Dems making it political.  It is just becoming more obvious to anyone with multiple brain cells that the guy is completely incompetent and has no business holding the Office.  

The Stock Market hates uncertainty, and lack of leadership, and if it continues into Bear Market territory, Trump is toast.  Pointing this out isn't a political statement, just the facts. The market is all he has to promote (other than those that vote for his racism and misogyny.)   

What more do you need the government to do regarding this?  

napacat posted:
patespo1 posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

The fact that 45 is completely mishandling the Coronavirus is not the same as the Dems making it political.  It is just becoming more obvious to anyone with multiple brain cells that the guy is completely incompetent and has no business holding the Office.  

The Stock Market hates uncertainty, and lack of leadership, and if it continues into Bear Market territory, Trump is toast.  Pointing this out isn't a political statement, just the facts. The market is all he has to promote (other than those that vote for his racism and misogyny.)   

What more do you need the government to do regarding this?  

 

Seriously? How about the Dump putting “we” before his “me.” 

The highly conservative publication National Review said the following; 

“ In a serious public health crisis, the public has the right to expect the government’s chief executive to lead in a number of critical ways: by prioritizing the problem properly, by deferring to subject matter experts when appropriate while making key decisions in informed and sensible ways, by providing honest and careful information to the country, by calming fears by setting expectations and by addressing mistakes and setbacks.”  “ Trump so far hasn’t passed muster on any of these metric.” 

That is a spot on from a highly regarded conservative publication. 

napacat posted:
ProSys posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

So a guy in his 70s who had a heart attack fairly recently has to conform to your expectations about room temperature???

Yet again you confirm you truly are dumber than you look.

Typical Liberal response...blame someone or something else.  Who cares that he had a heart attack...nothing to do with the story or room temp.  You miss the whole point...I never implied I had expectations for room temp.  Just the opposite...this is America, you should be able to set your room temp to anything you want.  

Liberals' are the ones that want to control that and "protect" the environment (Bernie), but a hypocrite when it comes directly to their comfort.  

 Hope that will help you understand better.  Truly went right over your head.  

Typical dummy response.  Go pretend you possess some tiny modicum of intelligence, and research how higher temperatures can often negatively affect people with heart disease.  Unless you’re his personal physician, you have no standing to whinge about how Bernie (or any other rational person) would want a cooler environment post heart attack.  

ProSys posted:
napacat posted:
ProSys posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

So a guy in his 70s who had a heart attack fairly recently has to conform to your expectations about room temperature???

Yet again you confirm you truly are dumber than you look.

Typical Liberal response...blame someone or something else.  Who cares that he had a heart attack...nothing to do with the story or room temp.  You miss the whole point...I never implied I had expectations for room temp.  Just the opposite...this is America, you should be able to set your room temp to anything you want.  

Liberals' are the ones that want to control that and "protect" the environment (Bernie), but a hypocrite when it comes directly to their comfort.  

 Hope that will help you understand better.  Truly went right over your head.  

Typical dummy response.  Go pretend you possess some tiny modicum of intelligence, and research how higher temperatures can often negatively affect people with heart disease.  Unless you’re his personal physician, you have no standing to whinge about how Bernie (or any other rational person) would want a cooler environment post heart attack.  

Nothing to do with the heart attack...he said he has always liked it that way.  Nice try and nice job avoiding the hypocrisy part of it.  

napacat posted:
ProSys posted:
napacat posted:
ProSys posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

Does anyone find it a bit hypocritical that Bernie needs to have is hotel room set to 60 degrees while he is a champion of global warming / climate change.  All of these liberal losers who want everyone else to change...as long as they do not have to.  

If there was any doubt that the Democrats are kicking political ass, this bottom of the barrel-scraping in search of grounds to criticize them should put that to rest!!  SAD!!!

 

Nice touch with SAD...but highly doubtful.  Biden had 27 or 28 people at his last rally.  That is hardly kicking political ass.  Current situation will pass.  Terribly SAD that the dems look to a virus to make a political play.  But they have been exposed for the losers that they are with no ideas and only propose free stuff.  The virus may be the last chance that they have at Trump. SAD.

However, if you don;t mind answering the question...it is not highly hypocritical to be such a champion for climate change and put the AC to 60?  I don't know of a hotel that the thermostat will even go to 60 any longer.   

So a guy in his 70s who had a heart attack fairly recently has to conform to your expectations about room temperature???

Yet again you confirm you truly are dumber than you look.

Typical Liberal response...blame someone or something else.  Who cares that he had a heart attack...nothing to do with the story or room temp.  You miss the whole point...I never implied I had expectations for room temp.  Just the opposite...this is America, you should be able to set your room temp to anything you want.  

Liberals' are the ones that want to control that and "protect" the environment (Bernie), but a hypocrite when it comes directly to their comfort.  

 Hope that will help you understand better.  Truly went right over your head.  

Typical dummy response.  Go pretend you possess some tiny modicum of intelligence, and research how higher temperatures can often negatively affect people with heart disease.  Unless you’re his personal physician, you have no standing to whinge about how Bernie (or any other rational person) would want a cooler environment post heart attack.  

Nothing to do with the heart attack...he said he has always liked it that way.  Nice try and nice job avoiding the hypocrisy part of it.  

Yes, you would be dumb enough to swallow hook, line and sinker the cheerful, idiosyncratic tone conveyed in the requests from campaign staff.  Carry on, dummy......

robsutherland posted:

So you're complaining about the fact that in the middle of winter he doesn't want the heat on high?!?

Some people like cozy warm rooms, some like cool rooms. If that's your basis on electability you're a strange cat.  

How can everyone miss the basic point.  I don't care what temperature he keeps his room at (90 or 40).  The Climate Change warriors are the ones who deem Air Con bad for the environment and either want to do away with it or regulate what you can set it to....and here is the key part (Except when it comes to them).  Pure Hypocrisy.  Since he is all for the Green New Deal.  

napacat posted:
robsutherland posted:

So you're complaining about the fact that in the middle of winter he doesn't want the heat on high?!?

Some people like cozy warm rooms, some like cool rooms. If that's your basis on electability you're a strange cat.  

How can everyone miss the basic point.  I don't care what temperature he keeps his room at (90 or 40).  The Climate Change warriors are the ones who deem Air Con bad for the environment and either want to do away with it or regulate what you can set it to....and here is the key part (Except when it comes to them).  Pure Hypocrisy.  Since he is all for the Green New Deal.  

Please offer, from a reputable source, a list experts who want to do away with air conditioning. Ideally with a link to the source. I'm sure you're not just making things up like your hero does many times a day. 

FWIW:  The A/C issue has nothing to do with modern A/C and is simply about electricity usage.  Napa is complaining that Bernie uses electricity to stay comfortable missing the main point that electricity itself has tremendous or zero carbon footprint depending upon how it is generated.  We're trying to get zero carbon (or reduced carbon) footprint energy (electricity). And, FWIW, the carbon footprint of keeping a room at 60 degrees in Feb / March is unlikely to be different from keeping it at 72 depending where in the country you are.

bman posted:
napacat posted:
robsutherland posted:

So you're complaining about the fact that in the middle of winter he doesn't want the heat on high?!?

Some people like cozy warm rooms, some like cool rooms. If that's your basis on electability you're a strange cat.  

How can everyone miss the basic point.  I don't care what temperature he keeps his room at (90 or 40).  The Climate Change warriors are the ones who deem Air Con bad for the environment and either want to do away with it or regulate what you can set it to....and here is the key part (Except when it comes to them).  Pure Hypocrisy.  Since he is all for the Green New Deal.  

Please offer, from a reputable source, a list experts who want to do away with air conditioning. Ideally with a link to the source. I'm sure you're not just making things up like your hero does many times a day. 

It amazes me that people still try and get an intelligent response or reference to any facts from the gibbering mook. You must have retired guy time. 

billhike posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:
robsutherland posted:

So you're complaining about the fact that in the middle of winter he doesn't want the heat on high?!?

Some people like cozy warm rooms, some like cool rooms. If that's your basis on electability you're a strange cat.  

How can everyone miss the basic point.  I don't care what temperature he keeps his room at (90 or 40).  The Climate Change warriors are the ones who deem Air Con bad for the environment and either want to do away with it or regulate what you can set it to....and here is the key part (Except when it comes to them).  Pure Hypocrisy.  Since he is all for the Green New Deal.  

Please offer, from a reputable source, a list experts who want to do away with air conditioning. Ideally with a link to the source. I'm sure you're not just making things up like your hero does many times a day. 

It amazes me that people still try and get an intelligent response or reference to any facts from the gibbering mook. You must have retired guy time. 

I do, actually, being a retired guy!  But accountability is important so whoever it may be, if he has a source let's see it. After all, some here may still take him seriously. 

The post was a relatively simple post about hypocrisy.  You can google for yourself the myriad of stories related to Air-con and global warming.  

You folks are a large group of  inhospitable forumites sitting behind your computers ready to pounce on folks.  No wonder there is no influx of any new people to make it interesting.  

Not much left to read but pitiful topics (what's for dinner...what's for lunch) with ridiculous responses.  What is one to do when a reply is "grilled sausage and peppers" or "Taters".  

Christ...there are people with different views than yours...how about engaging them and finding out why without personal attacks (I'm guilty of as well).  And with the people on here, I am sure some incredibly interesting stories in their life...none of that takes place here. 

 

 

napacat posted:

The post was a relatively simple post about hypocrisy.  You can google for yourself the myriad of stories related to Air-con and global warming.  

You folks are a large group of  inhospitable forumites sitting behind your computers ready to pounce on folks.  No wonder there is no influx of any new people to make it interesting.  

Not much left to read but pitiful topics (what's for dinner...what's for lunch) with ridiculous responses.  What is one to do when a reply is "grilled sausage and peppers" or "Taters".  

Christ...there are people with different views than yours...how about engaging them and finding out why without personal attacks (I'm guilty of as well).  And with the people on here, I am sure some incredibly interesting stories in their life...none of that takes place here. 

 

 

So you just made up the thing about air conditioning. Not at all surprised. You initiate a conversation, tell a lie in an effort to prove your point, and when you are asked to substantiate it you curl up in a fetal position and plead for understanding. If this place is so horrible and unfair to you feel free to leave. 

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