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bmanbmanMember
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:
mneeley490 posted:
arsenal4ever posted:

This is classic

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/“were-losing-our-damn-minds”-james-carville-unloads-on-the-democratic-party/ar-BBZLcwb?ocid=spartandhp

He isn't wrong.

He’s not wrong at all.  And all the Dems are terrified.   Just focus on 2024! 

Most Americans and the rest of the world are terrified too!!

Not really.  That’s just the media making you feel uneasy!  You’ll get used to it.  You’ll have four more years of practice. 

Actually as a Canadian I'm pretty much immune to the histrionics of the American media. I get most of my reporting on American politics from our own news, The Economist and other non American sources. Rest assured that we and the rest of the world see Trump as do the Dems and most Americans:  as a grave threat to all that is good and decent. 

The Old ManThe Old ManMember

I will say this. I'm proud to be a member of the party which nominated the first women for vice president; nominated the first black man for president; nominated the first woman to be president and now an openly gay man is in the running for the nomination. Now look at the other party's makeup. It tells you everything you need to know about them and their supporters.

I will say this, for many decades I haven't like the Democrats who run this state. They just aren't my kind of Democrats and they have complete control of Sacramento.

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haggishaggisMember
The Old Man posted:

I will say this. I'm proud to be a member of the party which nominated the first women for vice president; nominated the first black man for president; nominated the first woman to be president and now an openly gay man is in the running for the nomination. Now look at the other party's makeup. It tells you everything you need to know about them and their supporters.

I will say this, for many decades I haven't like the Democrats who run this state. They just aren't my kind of Democrats and they have complete control of Sacramento.

+10

N napacatMember
The Old Man posted:

I will say this. I'm proud to be a member of the party which nominated the first women for vice president; nominated the first black man for president; nominated the first woman to be president and now an openly gay man is in the running for the nomination. Now look at the other party's makeup. It tells you everything you need to know about them and their supporters.

I will say this, for many decades I haven't like the Democrats who run this state. They just aren't my kind of Democrats and they have complete control of Sacramento.

Just “feel good” politics.  

bmanbmanMember
napacat posted:
irwin posted:

An interesting way to measure the popularity of Trump:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertai...refer-205049768.html

 Just like all the people moving to Canada when Trump won.  Doesn’t happen.  

Actually, it did happen.  The first quarter of 2018 saw the largest number of American immigrants arriving in Canada since the second quarter of 2008 and the third highest number since 2000.  It would take a year or so for an applicants to receive an immigrant visa so odds are much if not all of that growth was likely due to Trump.

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flwinoflwinoMember
bman posted:
napacat posted:
irwin posted:

An interesting way to measure the popularity of Trump:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertai...refer-205049768.html

 Just like all the people moving to Canada when Trump won.  Doesn’t happen.  

Actually, it did happen.  The first quarter of 2018 saw the largest number of American immigrants arriving in Canada since the second quarter of 2008 and the third highest number since 2000.  It would take a year or so for an applicants to receive an immigrant visa so odds are much if not all of that growth was likely due to Trump.

To think I moved to Quebec in 1976  Moved back 1981

InsightInsightMember

For any dummies here (you know, and we know, exactly who you are) who think Putin’s Bitch is a boon to the military, let me remind you that you truly are dumber than you look.  Credit to author Laura Hamm for this Quora post outlining how Putin’s Bitch has treated the military during his term in office and while campaigning for office........

So here we go, what Trump has done for veterans:

  • pardoned multiple war criminals
  • mocked and threatened Iraq War Purple Heart recipient Lt. Col. Vindman for his rank and wearing of his uniform, which resulted in his request for and receipt of military protection
  • Trump’s Chief of Staff, Mick Mulvaney, worked in secret to deny comprehensive health coverage to Vietnam War veterans suffering from exposure to Agent Orange. 
  • On Veterans Day 2019, Sen. Tammy Duckworth visited the Tijuana facility for US veterans deported by Trump
  • Trump gives control of vacant Syrian air base to Russia
  • On October 7, 2019, Trump abruptly withdrew support from America's allies in Syria after a phone call with Turkey's president (Erdogan). Turkey subsequently bombed US Special Forces.
  • Trump sent thousands of American troops to defend the oil assets of the country that perpetrated 9/11.
  • In September 2019, he made an Air Force cargo crew, flying from the US to Kuwait stop in Scotland (where there's no US base) to refuel at a commercial airport (where it costs more), so they could stay overnight at a Trump property (which isn't close to the airport). Trump’s golf courses in Ireland and Scotland are losing money, so he's forcing the military to pay for nights there.
  • In September 2019, the Pentagon pulled funds for military schools and daycares to pay for Trump's border wall.
  • In August 2019, emails revealed that three of Trump's Mar-a-Lago pals, who are now running Veterans Affairs, are rampant with meddling. "They had no experience in veterans affairs (none of them even served in the military) nor underwent any kind of approval process to serve as de facto managers. Yet, with Trump’s approval, they directed actions and criticized operations without any oversight. They wasted valuable staff time in hundreds of pages of communications and meetings, emails show. Emails reveal disdainful attitudes within the department to the trio’s meddling."
  • Veterans graves will be "dug up" for the border wall, after Trump instructed aides to seize private property. Trump told officials he would pardon them if they break the law by illegally seizing property.
  • Children of deployed US troops will no longer get automatic American citizenship if born overseas during deployment. This includes US troops posted abroad for years at a time (August 28, 2019).
  • On August 2, 2019, Trump requisitioned military retirement funds towards border wall.
  • Trump denied a U.S. Marine of 6 years entry into the United States for his scheduled citizenship interview (Reported July 17, 2019).
  • Trump made the US Navy Blue Angels violate ethics rules by having them fly at his July 4, 2019 political campaign event.
  • Trump demanded US military chiefs stand next to him at 4th of July parade.
  • In June, 2019, Trump sent troops to the border to paint the fence for a better "aesthetic appearance".
  • Trump used his D-Day interview at a cemetery commemorating fallen US soldiers to attack a Vietnam veteran (June 6, 2019) as well as private citizen Bette Midler.
  • Trump made his 2nd wife, Marla Maples, sign a prenup that would have cut off all child support if their daughter Tiffany joined the military.
  • On May 27, 2019, Trump turned away US military from his Memorial Day speech because they were from the destroyer USS John S. McCain.
  • Trump ordered the USS John McCain out of sight during his visit to Japan (May 15, 2019). The ship's name was subsequently covered. (May 27, 2019)
  • Trump purged 200,000 veterans healthcare applications (due to known administrative errors within VA’s enrollment system) (reported on May 13, 2019).
  • Trump deported a spouse of fallen Army soldier killed in Afghanistan, leaving their daughter parentless (April 16, 2019).
  • On March 20, 2019, Trump complained that a deceased war hero didn't thank him for his funeral.
  • On February 25, 2019, Trump diverted military housing funds to pay for his border wall. A judge subsequently denied this. In July 2019, SCOTUS ruled that Trump could in fact divert military housing funds to pay for his wall.
  • Between 12/22/2018, and 1/25/2019, Trump refused to sign his party's funding bill, which shut down the government, forcing the Coast Guard to go without pay, which made service members rely on food pantries. However, his appointees got a $10,000 pay raise.
  • Trump bans transgender people from serving in the military, requiring to serve as their biological sex.
  • He denied female troops access to birth control to limit sexual activity.
  • He tried to deport a marine vet who is a U.S.-born citizen.
  • When a man was caught swindling veterans’ pensions for high-interest “cash advances," Trump's Consumer Financial Protection Bureau fined him $1. As a reminder, the Trump administration's goal was to dismantle the CFPB, installing Mick Mulvaney as the director, who publicly stated the bureau should be disbanded. (January 26, 2019)
  • He called a retired general a 'dog' with a 'big, dumb mouth'.
  • He increased privatization of the VA, leading to longer waits and higher taxpayer cost.(My FIL has lost access to at least one of his services.)
  • He finally visited troops 2 years after taking office, but only after 154 vacation days at his properties. (December 26, 2018)
  • He revealed the faces of a Seal Team 5 deployment during his visit to Iraq in a publicity photo he posted on Twitter, which is “unusual”. (December 26, 2018) 
  • Trump lied to deployed troops that he gave them a 10% raise (12/26/2018). He tried giving the military a raise that was lower than the standard of living adjustment. Congress told him that idea wasn't going to work. Then after giving them the raise that Congress made him, he lied about it pretending that it was larger than Obama's. It wasn't.
  • He fired service members living with HIV just before the 2018 holidays.(December 19, 2018-present) 
  • He tried to slash disability and unemployment benefits for Veterans to $0, and eliminate the unemployability extra-schedular rating. (December 17, 2018) 
  • He called troops on Thanksgiving and told them he's most thankful for himself. (2018) 
  • He urged Florida to not count deployed military votes. (November 12, 2018)
  • He canceled a WWI Cemetery visit on Veterans Day due to light rain. (November 10, 2018)

Image Source: Trump Makes Veterans' Weekend All About Himself, Blows Off Visit To WWI Cemetery In France Due To A "Little Rain" · DC Tribune

  • He followed the Veterans Day mistake in France by also skipping a visit to Arlington Cemetery, also because of light rain. (November 12, 2018)
  • He used troops as a political prop by sending more than 5000 of them on a phantom mission to the border to thwart some South American caravan, thereby causing them to miss Thanksgiving with their families. (October - December, 2018)
  • Trump changed the GI Bill through his Forever GI Act, causing the VA to miss veteran benefits, including housing allowances. This caused many veterans to run out of food and rent. (reported October 7, 2018)
  • Trump doubled the rejection rate for veterans requesting family deportation protections. (July 5, 2018)
  • Trump deported active-duty spouses (11,800 military families faced this problem as of April 2018).  Some of them were Trump supporters.
  • He forgot a fallen soldier's name during a call to his pregnant widow, then attacked her the next day. (October 23-24, 2017)
  • He sent commandos into an ambush due to a lack of intel, four were killed. (October 4, 2017) “the largest loss of American lives in combat in Africa since the Battle of Mogadishu in 1993” Tongo Tongo ambush - Wikipedia

Image Source: New details emerge on ambush in Niger that killed 4 U.S. soldiers

  • He blocked a veterans’ group with an estimated half a million veterans and their families on Twitter. (June 2017) 
  • He ordered the discharge of active-duty immigrant troops with good records. (2017-present) 
  • Trump said he knows more about ISIS than American generals. (October, 2016)
  • On October 3, 2016, Trump said vets get PTSD because they aren't strong enough. 
  • Trump attacks Gold Star families - Myeshia Johnson--gold star widow, Khan family--gold star parents, etc. (2016-present) 
  • Trump sent funds raised from a January 2016 veterans benefit to the Donald J. Trump Foundation instead of veterans charities. (The foundation has since been ordered shut because of fraud.) (January, 2016) 
  • Trump said he has "more training militarily than a lot of the guys that go into the military" because he went to a military-style academy. (2015 biography) 
  • Trump said he doesn't consider POWs war heroes because they were caught. He said he prefers people who were not caught. (July 18, 2015)
  • Trump said having unprotected sex was his own personal Vietnam.(1998) 
  • For a decade, Trump sought to kick veteran vendors off of Fifth Avenue because he found them unsightly nuisances outside of Trump Tower. “While disabled veterans should be given every opportunity to earn a living, is it fair to do so to the detriment of the city as a whole or its tax paying citizens and businesses?” (1991) 
  • Trump dodged the draft 4 times by having a doctor diagnose him with bone spurs and once for a problem with his heels.  No Trump in America has ever served in the military; this spans 4 generations. In fact, the reason his grandfather immigrated to America was to avoid military service. 
  • Fired key impeachment witness Lt. Col. Alex Vindman and his twin brother from their White House jobs in an obvious act of retribution on 2/7/20

 

If you’re dumb enough to try and defend your master by claiming this is fake news, I’ll be happy to post citations confirming everything listed above.  Be aware that many of the citations will be the actual words spewing from Putin’s Bitch’s piehole........

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winetarelliwinetarelliMember

D’s better get their act together. Man, I yearn for the smoke-filled rooms. “Bennet [or Bullock] is the nominee, and go!”  But, noooooooo...

If Bernie is the nominee I will campaign for him. He’s a googolplex to its own power times better than Trump. But it will also show a profound unseriousness to the party and a real problem with how democracy is functioning even within the Democratic party. 

J jcocktostenMember
winetarelli posted:

D’s better get their act together. Man, I yearn for the smoke-filled rooms. “Bennet [or Bullock] is the nominee, and go!”  But, noooooooo...

If Bernie is the nominee I will campaign for him. He’s a googolplex to its own power times better than Trump. But it will also show a profound unseriousness to the party and a real problem with how democracy is functioning even within the Democratic party. 

Only in the sense that anyone with a pulse is better than Trump.  

W wine+artMember
jcocktosten posted:
winetarelli posted:

D’s better get their act together. Man, I yearn for the smoke-filled rooms. “Bennet [or Bullock] is the nominee, and go!”  But, noooooooo...

If Bernie is the nominee I will campaign for him. He’s a googolplex to its own power times better than Trump. But it will also show a profound unseriousness to the party and a real problem with how democracy is functioning even within the Democratic party. 

Only in the sense that anyone with a pulse is better than Trump.  

I don’t think a pulse is necessarily required. 

irwinirwinMember

Interfering with the prosecutors’ professional task of recommending a sentence for Roger Stone reminds me of Gerry Ford’s pardon of Nixon 

Will the average independent voter, who  typically like to see wealthy people get prosecuted, convicted or sentenced in a form of schadenfreude remember in 10 months?   I sort of doubt it. But, if Trump should lose the re-election bid, he's going to have a lot of friends to pardon.

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winetarelliwinetarelliMember
wineart 2 posted:
jcocktosten posted:
winetarelli posted:

D’s better get their act together. Man, I yearn for the smoke-filled rooms. “Bennet [or Bullock] is the nominee, and go!”  But, noooooooo...

If Bernie is the nominee I will campaign for him. He’s a googolplex to its own power times better than Trump. But it will also show a profound unseriousness to the party and a real problem with how democracy is functioning even within the Democratic party. 

Only in the sense that anyone with a pulse is better than Trump.  

I don’t think a pulse is necessarily required. 

+1

flwinoflwinoMember
irwin posted:

Bernie Sanders got about 150,000 votes in a 2 person field in the NH primary in 2016. In a multi-candidate field this year, he got around 100,000.  He got about 26% of the vote, which means that 74% of the voters voted for someone else.

And now we lost two more candidates.  Some of the ones we lost, I would have voted for, if they ever made it to FL.  This process is too drawn out, and too costly.  Would love to have the UK system, a no confidence vote and your out, three months later election is over.   The idiot started running 01/20/17.

J jcocktostenMember
flwino posted:
irwin posted:

Bernie Sanders got about 150,000 votes in a 2 person field in the NH primary in 2016. In a multi-candidate field this year, he got around 100,000.  He got about 26% of the vote, which means that 74% of the voters voted for someone else.

And now we lost two more candidates.  Some of the ones we lost, I would have voted for, if they ever made it to FL.  This process is too drawn out, and too costly.  Would love to have the UK system, a no confidence vote and your out, three months later election is over.   The idiot started running 01/20/17.

Always thought it ridiculous that 2 extremely non-representative states have so much influence in the primary process.  

bmanbmanMember
The Old Man posted:
thistlintom posted:

Looks like Biden is in deep trouble, he must win S. Carolina to even have a chance.  Warren is looking worse than Biden.  Feel the Bern.

I love the now almost daily sports report about the Dems from the supporter of the bigot in chief. Give it a rest, only your fellow cult members care.

I wonder if anyone who follows Trump's Twitter and whose vote is undecided is actually being swayed to vote for him by his verbal diarrhea?  

T thistlintomMember
The Old Man posted:
thistlintom posted:

Looks like Biden is in deep trouble, he must win S. Carolina to even have a chance.  Warren is looking worse than Biden.  Feel the Bern.

I love the now almost daily sports report about the Dems from the supporter of the bigot in chief. Give it a rest, only your fellow cult members care.

Gee, you are as cranky as Bernie.

irwinirwinMember

Let's talk about the Roger Stone case for a second.  The case is called United States of America v. Roger Stone.  Mr. Stone was prosecuted and convicted for certain federal crimes.

The US Attorney's office in Washington DC handled the prosecution. The US Attorneys in the various jurisdictions are supervised (sort of) by the Attorney General of the US, who is the head of the Justice Department. The US Attorneys and the atty general are supposed to be on the side of the United State of America, one of the litigants.  Mr. Stone has one or more lawyers who are supposed to be on his side.

If a lawyer for Mr. Stone were to argue for a harsher sentence for Mr. Stone, he would be disbarred after a mental evaluation.  Here we have the US Government revising downward its sentencing recommendation at the request of either the President and/or the Attorney General.  That makes no sense to me.

Frankly, I think it's worse than asking some guy in the Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden.

But, of course, the Federal Judge has the next to last word.  The President will commute the sentence of Mr. Stone after the November election, or grant him some other relief.  Maybe he'll be pardoned and will be the next ambassador to the EU.

W wine+artMember
irwin posted:

Let's talk about the Roger Stone case for a second.  The case is called United States of America v. Roger Stone.  Mr. Stone was prosecuted and convicted for certain federal crimes.

The US Attorney's office in Washington DC handled the prosecution. The US Attorneys in the various jurisdictions are supervised (sort of) by the Attorney General of the US, who is the head of the Justice Department. The US Attorneys and the atty general are supposed to be on the side of the United State of America, one of the litigants.  Mr. Stone has one or more lawyers who are supposed to be on his side.

If a lawyer for Mr. Stone were to argue for a harsher sentence for Mr. Stone, he would be disbarred after a mental evaluation.  Here we have the US Government revising downward its sentencing recommendation at the request of either the President and/or the Attorney General.  That makes no sense to me.

Frankly, I think it's worse than asking some guy in the Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden.

But, of course, the Federal Judge has the next to last word.  The President will commute the sentence of Mr. Stone after the November election, or grant him some other relief.  Maybe he'll be pardoned and will be the next ambassador to the EU.

Irwin, the gutless and spineless Susan Collins was absolutely correct. The POS in the Oval Office did learn his lesson. He can do whatever he wants, regardless of the separation of powers or the constitution and all without consequences. He did indeed learn a lesson.

He has asked foreign powers to give him dirt on his political opponents, ( Russia, China and Ukraine)  and now has the Justice Department intervening on behalf of his personal friends to the extent that all four federal attorneys resigned in protest.  Roger Stone was indicting by a grand jury. Then he was found guilty by a different jury. Then a proposed sentence was offered to a judge. The president then tweets all this is bogus. So, the grand jury thought after seeing evidence he should be indicted. Then a different jury finds him guilty after hearing the evidence. Two different juries, federal prosecutors and a judge hearing evidence find him guilty. Yet, the president directs his AG to get involved to protect a friend. Trump has proved he is about the law. So, I guess his friends are now as well. 

I do not think I’m overreacting saying the very fabric of our nation is in jeopardy. 

bmanbmanMember
wineart 2 posted:
irwin posted:

Let's talk about the Roger Stone case for a second.  The case is called United States of America v. Roger Stone.  Mr. Stone was prosecuted and convicted for certain federal crimes.

The US Attorney's office in Washington DC handled the prosecution. The US Attorneys in the various jurisdictions are supervised (sort of) by the Attorney General of the US, who is the head of the Justice Department. The US Attorneys and the atty general are supposed to be on the side of the United State of America, one of the litigants.  Mr. Stone has one or more lawyers who are supposed to be on his side.

If a lawyer for Mr. Stone were to argue for a harsher sentence for Mr. Stone, he would be disbarred after a mental evaluation.  Here we have the US Government revising downward its sentencing recommendation at the request of either the President and/or the Attorney General.  That makes no sense to me.

Frankly, I think it's worse than asking some guy in the Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden.

But, of course, the Federal Judge has the next to last word.  The President will commute the sentence of Mr. Stone after the November election, or grant him some other relief.  Maybe he'll be pardoned and will be the next ambassador to the EU.

Irwin, the gutless and spineless Susan Collins was absolutely correct. The POS in the Oval Office did learn his lesson. He can do whatever he wants, regardless of the separation of powers or the constitution and all without consequences. He did indeed learn a lesson.

He has asked foreign powers to give him dirt on his political opponents, ( Russia, China and Ukraine)  and now has the Justice Department intervening on behalf of his personal friends to the extent that all four federal attorneys resigned in protest.  Roger Stone was indicting by a grand jury. Then he was found guilty by a different jury. Then a proposed sentence was offered to a judge. The president then tweets all this is bogus. So, the grand jury thought after seeing evidence he should be indicted. Then a different jury finds him guilty after hearing the evidence. Two different juries, federal prosecutors and a judge hearing evidence find him guilty. Yet, the president directs his AG to get involved to protect a friend. Trump has proved he is about the law. So, I guess his friends are now as well. 

I do not think I’m overreacting saying the very fabric of our nation is in jeopardy. 

On the plus side, the judge can impose whatever sentence she wishes notwithstanding the sentencing recommendation.

On the negative side, none of it matters as Trump will pardon Stone and the rest of his henchmen within days, perhaps a single day, after the November election no matter how it turns out.

N napacatMember
thistlintom posted:
The Old Man posted:
thistlintom posted:

Looks like Biden is in deep trouble, he must win S. Carolina to even have a chance.  Warren is looking worse than Biden.  Feel the Bern.

I love the now almost daily sports report about the Dems from the supporter of the bigot in chief. Give it a rest, only your fellow cult members care.

Gee, you are as cranky as Bernie.

As are all Democrats.  No sense of humor...no joy.  Just pure misery.  I say four more years of misery for them!!

N napacatMember
flwino posted:
irwin posted:

Bernie Sanders got about 150,000 votes in a 2 person field in the NH primary in 2016. In a multi-candidate field this year, he got around 100,000.  He got about 26% of the vote, which means that 74% of the voters voted for someone else.

And now we lost two more candidates.  Some of the ones we lost, I would have voted for, if they ever made it to FL.  This process is too drawn out, and too costly.  Would love to have the UK system, a no confidence vote and your out, three months later election is over.   The idiot started running 01/20/17.

And now we lost two more candidates.  Some of the ones we lost, I would have voted for, if they ever made it to FL.

The above statement  is why you are an idiot.

flwinoflwinoMember
napacat posted:
flwino posted:
irwin posted:

Bernie Sanders got about 150,000 votes in a 2 person field in the NH primary in 2016. In a multi-candidate field this year, he got around 100,000.  He got about 26% of the vote, which means that 74% of the voters voted for someone else.

And now we lost two more candidates.  Some of the ones we lost, I would have voted for, if they ever made it to FL.  This process is too drawn out, and too costly.  Would love to have the UK system, a no confidence vote and your out, three months later election is over.   The idiot started running 01/20/17.

And now we lost two more candidates.  Some of the ones we lost, I would have voted for, if they ever made it to FL.

The above statement  is why you are an idiot.

Takes one to know one, as I learned in kindergarten.  Go back under a rock

flwinoflwinoMember
purplehaze posted:
bman posted:
On the plus side, the judge can impose whatever sentence she wishes notwithstanding the sentencing recommendation.

 

If Trump is looking for leniency from Judge Jackson, casting aspersions on her integrity probably isn't a great strategy.  She's known to be a good judge, but if I were her, I'd max Stone out.

PH

Too bad it is a Federal crime.  If a state crime the buffoon could not interfere.  Now we need to dump Barr for going along with king Donald the last

N napacatMember
flwino posted:
purplehaze posted:
bman posted:
On the plus side, the judge can impose whatever sentence she wishes notwithstanding the sentencing recommendation.

 

If Trump is looking for leniency from Judge Jackson, casting aspersions on her integrity probably isn't a great strategy.  She's known to be a good judge, but if I were her, I'd max Stone out.

PH

Too bad it is a Federal crime.  If a state crime the buffoon could not interfere.  Now we need to dump Barr for going along with king Donald the last

Barr is not going anywhere, nor should he  And he just agreed to testify.  

winetarelliwinetarelliMember
wineart 2 posted:
irwin posted:

Let's talk about the Roger Stone case for a second.  The case is called United States of America v. Roger Stone.  Mr. Stone was prosecuted and convicted for certain federal crimes.

The US Attorney's office in Washington DC handled the prosecution. The US Attorneys in the various jurisdictions are supervised (sort of) by the Attorney General of the US, who is the head of the Justice Department. The US Attorneys and the atty general are supposed to be on the side of the United State of America, one of the litigants.  Mr. Stone has one or more lawyers who are supposed to be on his side.

If a lawyer for Mr. Stone were to argue for a harsher sentence for Mr. Stone, he would be disbarred after a mental evaluation.  Here we have the US Government revising downward its sentencing recommendation at the request of either the President and/or the Attorney General.  That makes no sense to me.

Frankly, I think it's worse than asking some guy in the Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden.

But, of course, the Federal Judge has the next to last word.  The President will commute the sentence of Mr. Stone after the November election, or grant him some other relief.  Maybe he'll be pardoned and will be the next ambassador to the EU.

Irwin, the gutless and spineless Susan Collins was absolutely correct. The POS in the Oval Office did learn his lesson. He can do whatever he wants, regardless of the separation of powers or the constitution and all without consequences. He did indeed learn a lesson.

He has asked foreign powers to give him dirt on his political opponents, ( Russia, China and Ukraine)  and now has the Justice Department intervening on behalf of his personal friends to the extent that all four federal attorneys resigned in protest.  Roger Stone was indicting by a grand jury. Then he was found guilty by a different jury. Then a proposed sentence was offered to a judge. The president then tweets all this is bogus. So, the grand jury thought after seeing evidence he should be indicted. Then a different jury finds him guilty after hearing the evidence. Two different juries, federal prosecutors and a judge hearing evidence find him guilty. Yet, the president directs his AG to get involved to protect a friend. Trump has proved he is about the law. So, I guess his friends are now as well. 

I do not think I’m overreacting saying the very fabric of our nation is in jeopardy. 

+1

 

I suppose I get liking Trump’s policies or judicial appointees. I cannot *stand* his policies / appointments or his various -isms.  But I am capable of wrapping my head around the fact others like it. What I truly don’t get, however, is willingness to tear through the very fabric of liberal democracy and rule of law in order to achieve these ends. It turns out a heartbreaking percentage of the population — and nearly 100% of Congressional Republicans — simply don’t care too much about well-ordered democracy. Or, worse, have contempt for it and the very foundations of this country. 

Make America America Again  

 

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