Trump:  " We have all the material.  They don't have the material."  

Bold, Stupid, or both, he just admitted to Obstruction.  And the 53 GOP Senators are so corrupt they won't impeach.  Our country is f*cked.

patespo1 posted:

Our country is f*cked.

Two words for you, young p.  Voter turnout.  It's the holy grail.

The higher the turnout, the higher the chance that we'll survive this cancer.   I have personally "forced," 8 people I'm close with to register to vote who have never voted before.  I've also promised them that I'll drive them to the polls, and buy them a beer or five afterwards.  Old school electioneering.  

I've told them that I don't care who or what they vote for.  They just have to vote.  If half of them actually take me up on the offer, I'll be happy as S#!t.

If every right thinking American could get one person they know just to SHOW UP in November, we will likely be OK.

Hope you and the family are thriving!!

PH

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purplehaze posted:
patespo1 posted:

Our country is f*cked.

Two words for you, young p.  Voter turnout.  It's the holy grail.

The higher the turnout, the higher the chance that we'll survive this cancer.   I have personally "forced," 8 people I'm close with to register to vote who have never voted before.  I've also promised them that I'll drive them to the polls, and buy them a beer or five afterwards.  Old school electioneering.  

I've told them that I don't care who or what they vote for.  They just have to vote.  If half of them actually take me up on the offer, I'll be happy as S#!t.

If every right thinking American could get one person they know just to SHOW UP in November, we will likely be OK.

Hope you and the family are thriving!!

PH

You're absolutely right PH. Turnout is key to ridding yourselves of the Orange Menace. 

KERNEN: Tesla's now worth more than GM and Ford. Do you have comments on Elon Musk?
  
TRUMP: Well -- you have to give him credit. I spoke to him very recently, and he's also doing the rockets. He likes rockets. And -- he does good at rockets too, by the way. I never saw where the engines come down with no wings, no anything, and they're landing. I said I've never seen that before. And I was worried about him, because he's one of our great geniuses, and we have to protect our genius. You know, we have to protect Thomas Edison and we have to protect all of these people that -- came up with originally the light bulb and -- the wheel and all of these things. And he's one of our very smart people and we want to-- we want to cherish those people.
 
Stable Genius. 
robsutherland posted:
KERNEN: Tesla's now worth more than GM and Ford. Do you have comments on Elon Musk?
  
TRUMP: Well -- you have to give him credit. I spoke to him very recently, and he's also doing the rockets. He likes rockets. And -- he does good at rockets too, by the way. I never saw where the engines come down with no wings, no anything, and they're landing. I said I've never seen that before. And I was worried about him, because he's one of our great geniuses, and we have to protect our genius. You know, we have to protect Thomas Edison and we have to protect all of these people that -- came up with originally the light bulb and -- the wheel and all of these things. And he's one of our very smart people and we want to-- we want to cherish those people.
 
Stable Genius. 

He is an articulate SOB for sure; well, a SOB anyway!

By all means, we have to protect the inventors of the wheel and the lightbulb.  

Speaking of being articulate, Sylvia Garcia has no business on the microphone.  It's one thing not to be a skilled orator (which she certainly isn't) but if you can't even read from your script without stumbling, then let someone else deliver the information.  This stuff is too important to have listeners tune out due to poor delivery.

PH

purplehaze posted:
patespo1 posted:

Our country is f*cked.

Two words for you, young p.  Voter turnout.  It's the holy grail.

The higher the turnout, the higher the chance that we'll survive this cancer.   I have personally "forced," 8 people I'm close with to register to vote who have never voted before.  I've also promised them that I'll drive them to the polls, and buy them a beer or five afterwards.  Old school electioneering.  

I've told them that I don't care who or what they vote for.  They just have to vote.  If half of them actually take me up on the offer, I'll be happy as S#!t.

If every right thinking American could get one person they know just to SHOW UP in November, we will likely be OK.

Hope you and the family are thriving!!

PH

Kim and the boys are great, thanks for asking.  Look forward to sharing some vino sooner than later....

From PH: "I've also promised them that I'll drive them to the polls, and buy them a beer or five afterwards. "

In Baltimore, and perhaps in PH's county, you can't buy alcohol in a restaurant until the polls close at 8.  This is the residue of the old practice, in the days of Edgar Allan Poe, for unscrupulous politicians to gather drunks, take them to the polls with the promise of buying them a shot of whiskey, and then, taking them to a second polling place and a third with the same promise. 

So, PH, you'll have to buy the beer ahead of time--though these folks could vote absentee, thus solving the problem.

irwin posted:

From PH: "I've also promised them that I'll drive them to the polls, and buy them a beer or five afterwards. "

In Baltimore, and perhaps in PH's county, you can't buy alcohol in a restaurant until the polls close at 8.

Apparently the laws have changed.  Talbot County seems to be the only county to bar alcohol sales during polling hours, but this appears to be for "carry-out," only.  Interestingly, the city of Annapolis was miraculously left off the list of allowed jurisdictions until 2015.

Click...

PH

purplehaze posted:
irwin posted:

From PH: "I've also promised them that I'll drive them to the polls, and buy them a beer or five afterwards. "

In Baltimore, and perhaps in PH's county, you can't buy alcohol in a restaurant until the polls close at 8.

Apparently the laws have changed.  Talbot County seems to be the only county to bar alcohol sales during polling hours, but this appears to be for "carry-out," only.  Interestingly, the city of Annapolis was miraculously left off the list of allowed jurisdictions until 2015.

Click...

PH

I stand corrected.  You can hand out all the alcohol you want!

A client of mine owns a noted restaurant in Baltimore. They are closed on Tuesdays. I asked him why. He said, "Two reasons. Everyone else is closed on Mondays. Second, we don't serve alcohol on election day, which falls on Tuesdays."  That was, however, a conversation from a long time ago.

purplehaze posted:
irwin posted:

From PH: "I've also promised them that I'll drive them to the polls, and buy them a beer or five afterwards. "

In Baltimore, and perhaps in PH's county, you can't buy alcohol in a restaurant until the polls close at 8.

Apparently the laws have changed.  Talbot County seems to be the only county to bar alcohol sales during polling hours, but this appears to be for "carry-out," only.  Interestingly, the city of Annapolis was miraculously left off the list of allowed jurisdictions until 2015.

Click...

PH

We were living in Costa Rica in the late 80s during an election there. Grocery stores selling alcohol had purpose-built wooden structures that fit perfectly into the alcove of the store which held the alcohol, blocking it off on election day. It was then not only locked in place by a couple of big heavy locks but the election authorities put purpose-made tape with their names on it over the locks and the wooden structure. 

Knowing the Costa Ricans I expect they still do this all across the country. 

No alcohol sold until polls close in Mexico, also. I had the unfortunate coincidence of vacationing there during an election once.  

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If you eat bats and monkeys and snakes and stuff, bad things will probably happen.

- should be a Chinese Proverb

vint posted:

If you eat bats and monkeys and snakes and stuff, bad things will probably happen.

- should be a Chinese Proverb

It could be from Ozzy Osborne.

vint posted:

If you eat bats and monkeys and snakes and stuff, bad things will probably happen.

- should be a Chinese Proverb

An actual Chinese saying,‹ though not an ancient one, re eating:

"Anything that flies but an airplane, anything with four legs but a table, anything that swims, period“

For the attorneys on the board (anyone can answer really...just thought I would start there)...how many agreed with Alan Dershowitz in his argument tonight (if you watched)?

i certainly did...and even the point if it was taking place on the other side....I think I would agree as well (if this were happening to Obama).  It wouldn’t though, as republicans aren’t as big a group of A-holes as the dems are.

napacat posted:

republicans aren’t as big a group of A-holes as the dems are.

( he's like a rash that never heals or goes away.....)

bman posted:
napacat posted:

republicans aren’t as big a group of A-holes as the dems are.

( he's like a rash that never heals or goes away.....)

Well they aren’t.  Just provide your opinion if you heard him.  He was quite good. Or keep insulting like a child! 

“oh but Napa said dems are a-holes.  He’s insulting.”

napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

republicans aren’t as big a group of A-holes as the dems are.

( he's like a rash that never heals or goes away.....)

Well they aren’t.  Just provide your opinion if you heard him.  He was quite good. Or keep insulting like a child! 

“oh but Napa said dems are a-holes.  He’s insulting.”

(As with a rash, I'm not gonna scratch......)

 

 

 

 

bman posted:
vint posted:

If you eat bats and monkeys and snakes and stuff, bad things will probably happen.

- should be a Chinese Proverb

An actual Chinese saying,‹ though not an ancient one, re eating:

"Anything that flies but an airplane, anything with four legs but a table, anything that swims, period“

Wet market sounds so appealing. " Honey, I'm going down to the wet market to pick up some monkey brains. Are we okay on turtle livers?"

napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

republicans aren’t as big a group of A-holes as the dems are.

( he's like a rash that never heals or goes away.....)

Well they aren’t.  Just provide your opinion if you heard him.  He was quite good. Or keep insulting like a child! 

“oh but Napa said dems are a-holes.  He’s insulting.”

Nice job catching your own hypocrisy. Like your President, you have to be the dumbest person in any room you walk into. Do you remember whining about the “intolerant left” a few weeks ago? Clown.

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billhike posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:

republicans aren’t as big a group of A-holes as the dems are.

( he's like a rash that never heals or goes away.....)

Well they aren’t.  Just provide your opinion if you heard him.  He was quite good. Or keep insulting like a child! 

“oh but Napa said dems are a-holes.  He’s insulting.”

Nice job catching your own hypocrisy. Like your President, you have to be the dumbest person in any room you walk into. Do you remember whining about the “intolerant left” a few weeks ago? Clown.

I miss the "Ignore" button.

bman posted:
vint posted:

If you eat bats and monkeys and snakes and stuff, bad things will probably happen.

- should be a Chinese Proverb

An actual Chinese saying,‹ though not an ancient one, re eating:

"Anything that flies but an airplane, anything with four legs but a table, anything that swims, period“

Good place to ship our iguanas

Well considering the only legal support he relied on to make his argument - an article by Harvard professor Nikolas Bowie (who every other legal scholar disagrees with any way) has written an op ed - that says Dershowitz is dead wrong - I would say that no - I do not agree with his argument - and he would argue the earth is flat if he was paid enough or it got him on TV

It will be quite interesting if Bernie wins Iowa.  And what will be the reaction by the Dem establishment and the other candidates if that happens?

jcocktosten posted:

Well considering the only legal support he relied on to make his argument - an article by Harvard professor Nikolas Bowie (who every other legal scholar disagrees with any way) has written an op ed - that says Dershowitz is dead wrong - I would say that no - I do not agree with his argument - and he would argue the earth is flat if he was paid enough or it got him on TV

It makes sense that he would defend Trump, given his track record of former clients (OJ, Epstein, etc).  Sold his soul for the almighty dollar long ago. 

thistlintom posted:

It will be quite interesting if Bernie wins Iowa.  And what will be the reaction by the Dem establishment and the other candidates if that happens?

Please, no...

thistlintom posted:

It will be quite interesting if Bernie wins Iowa.  And what will be the reaction by the Dem establishment and the other candidates if that happens?

As awful a candidate as is he's not a racist, a bigot, or a sexist. He's not an anti-Semite. Also not a know-nothing and probably would not be a demagogue. So who exactly do you think we would vote for?

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The Old Man posted:
thistlintom posted:

It will be quite interesting if Bernie wins Iowa.  And what will be the reaction by the Dem establishment and the other candidates if that happens?

As awful a candidate as is he's not a racist, a bigot, or a sexist. He's not an anti-Semite. Also not a know-nothing and probably would not be a demagogue. So who exactly do you think we would vote for?

It's not for me to say, I just want to sit back and see what happens.  Good luck

billhike posted:
thistlintom posted:

It will be quite interesting if Bernie wins Iowa.  And what will be the reaction by the Dem establishment and the other candidates if that happens?

Please, no...

Agreed.  That said, Iowa is just a little better than a 50% predictor of the eventual Dem candidate.  If he wins, or is even in the top 2-3, expect concerted attacks on Bernie from all sides, except the organgutan.  I'm not saying that Bernie couldn't beat him, but he's last on my list on policy and electability.  

PH

napacat posted:

For the attorneys on the board (anyone can answer really...just thought I would start there)...how many agreed with Alan Dershowitz in his argument tonight (if you watched)?

I agree with his earlier assessment.

On the question of calling witnesses or not.......  What happens if there is a vote on calling witnesses, like Bolton, and the vote is 50-50? Does the Chief Justice break the tie?

On Dershowitz:  He's very bright and speaks well, and speaks forcefully. But speaking loudly and forcefully doesn't mean you are right.  As to what the Founders intended....  who knows?   It would be nice if the Republicans would come out and say, "The President, by requesting aid in our electoral process for his own benefit from the Ukrainians, did something wrong. But, we don't think it is an impeachable offense."  But, they lack the backbone to even say that the President was wrong to do this with Ukraine.  Why? Because most of them are concerned mostly about their own re-election prospects and continuing in the positions of power than they have achieved.  Romney, who is wealthy and doesn't need the Senate position, but is beloved in Utah and will keep it as long as he wants, is free to say what he really thinks. So is Lamar Alexander, who is leaving office.  Murkowski is pretty popular in Alaska, and Alaskans are pretty independent.

A copy of Profiles in Courage should be placed on each Senator's desk.

 

 

My guess is the Republicans will require testimony from the Bidens and Schiff if the Dems want Bolton to testify.  They may also want the testimony of the ICAG to be made public also.

thistlintom posted:
The Old Man posted:
thistlintom posted:

It will be quite interesting if Bernie wins Iowa.  And what will be the reaction by the Dem establishment and the other candidates if that happens?

As awful a candidate as is he's not a racist, a bigot, or a sexist. He's not an anti-Semite. Also not a know-nothing and probably would not be a demagogue. So who exactly do you think we would vote for?

It's not for me to say, I just want to sit back and see what happens.  Good luck

But you can take an educated guess, no? It's really not too tough of a choice except for some here.

thistlintom posted:

My guess is the Republicans will require testimony from the Bidens and Schiff if the Dems want Bolton to testify.  They may also want the testimony of the ICAG to be made public also.

Yes, we all know they want immaterial witnesses.

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