Exchange between a reporter and John Lennon after The Beatles visited the US for the first time:
Q. - How did you find America?
A. - Turn left at Greenland.
Down the rabbit hole again
That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.
Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.
The Old Man posted:That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.
Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.
I agree that the word is being overused. That said, if the shoe fits, as it does with Donnie Dickhead, .... ,
bman posted:The Old Man posted:That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.
Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.
I agree that the word is being overused. That said, if the shoe fits, as it does with Donnie Dickhead, .... ,
Exactly, of course it's being overused, the word "awesome" is overused, but somethings are awesome (ie total eclipse of the sun) and some people racists. No opinion piece in the WSJ can change that.
No scan. No pay.
PH
suns up. pool time
Multiple things can be true. The “woke” far-left is using words like “racist”, “sexist”, etc. (or worst, simply, “that’s offensive”) to stifle important debate and — in some cases — even academic research and science. ALSO, if words have any meaning, Donald Trump is a full-on racist. Also, he suffers from malignant narcissistic personality disorder. And is both a true ignoramus — in that he knows absolutely nothing — and a deeply stupid individual. Our nation’s, and the world’s, saving may just be Trump’s utter incompetence. If he were able to complete more, God help us all.
Talking about imposing a 100% tariff on French wines:
“I’ve always liked American wines better than French wines, even though I don’t drink wine,” Trump, a professed teetotaler, told reporters in the Oval Office. “I just like the way they look. American wines are great.”
we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle". I ordered a beer. The very attractive waitress asked to see my ID to verify that I was old enough to drink. The drinking age in MD is 21.
I recently turned 66. When I was 21, Nixon had just resigned the Presidency.
Of course, I gave her a large tip. And, the business card of my eye doctor.
irwin posted:we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle". I ordered a beer. The very attractive waitress asked to see my ID to verify that I was old enough to drink. The drinking age in MD is 21.
I recently turned 66. When I was 21, Nixon had just resigned the Presidency.
Of course, I gave her a large tip. And, the business card of my eye doctor.
Lol!
I don't think she was myopic. When they carried beer I would always get carded at Noodles & Co. They card everyone at the beer stations at Legoland. Some places, for their own protection and consistency, have their staff card everyone regardless of their appearance.
The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different. The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.
I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals. It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.
irwin posted:we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle".
I'm familiar with the chain. The Green Turtle was once a decent dive bar (oxymoron?) in Ocean City, MD. Years ago they began franchising, and frankly, the franchises suck. The Turtle is also known as a hangout for younger drinkers.
Typically, when servers are carding 66 year old patrons, it's because the facility has had a recent violation for serving underage drinkers. The move by management is "card 'em all," to eliminate any chance of losing their license. This usually eases in time.
PH
thistlintom posted:The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different. The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.
I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals. It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.
There is some truth in what you say here, tom. But.
I find your assertion that,
"The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights...
a bit amusing. In the history of our country, we've been doing exactly this for centuries. And many people's identities and rights have been abused specifically because of the categories that the majority had placed them in. I can understand the instinct of members of protected classes to "over react," in circumstances when they are categorized, marginalized or mistreated because of their category. Especially in circumstances where the communications are coming from high ranking politicians and other citizens with a national platform.
PH
" It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view."
How tiring. How exactly do I challenge these points of view?
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
Should I get into an intellectual discussion with someone who tells four women of color (three of which were born in the US) to, "Go back to where they came from"?
Am I supposed to have a rational conversation with a person who engaged in a fact-free conspiracy theory to prove the the first black man to become president wasn't an American citizen?
What do I say when an American president who equtes neo-Nazis with those who oppose them? Who calls them "fine people"?
What do you say to a man who, after five black men that were wrongly imprisoned and then exonerated (after DNA and a confession from the real rapist), takes out full pages ads saying they are guilty?
As a number of people tried to point out, just because some people misuse a word doesn't mean the word can't be properly employed.
So yeah, I'm going to call the racist who occupies the WH a racist. And I'm always going to wonder about people who support this racist no matter what hate and filth comes out of his shithole of a mouth.
purplehaze posted:irwin posted:we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle".
I'm familiar with the chain. The Green Turtle was once a decent dive bar (oxymoron?) in Ocean City, MD. Years ago they began franchising, and frankly, the franchises suck. The Turtle is also known as a hangout for younger drinkers.
Typically, when servers are carding 66 year old patrons, it's because the facility has had a recent violation for serving underage drinkers. The move by management is "card 'em all," to eliminate any chance of losing their license. This usually eases in time.
PH
The place in Towson isn't great. It's mostly for the Towson University students. But it is next to the public library, and I wanted to take a book out of the library to read. (More evidence of my age).
The franchise out in McHenry Maryland, next to Deep Creek Lake is pretty good.
You want scary? Watch PBS "The Rise of Fascism" by Rick Steve's Listen to his commentary as to why it rose, and compare the thoughts, comments, and actions of the last 3 years in the US. It is an awakening as to why we have issues now.
I thought it was so interesting that Steves created this very untypical, for him, show. It seemed he was hinting at the beginning that it was in response to current events. A truly sickening time unless you're a racist, bigot, or white nationalist.
thistlintom posted:The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different. The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.
I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals. It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.
I don’t disagree with much of this, Tom. BUT, nowhere in mainstream media is Identity Politics more prevalent than on Fox News. The difference is that on Fox News it is White Identity politics and frequently White Supremacy. There is nothing In mainstream Left-Wing media analogous to Pirro or Carlson, or Hannity or Dobbs. It is certainly often the White Supremacy when the President speaks. (See TOM’s examples for just the tip of the iceberg.)
I’m a steadfast liberal. As such, a great amount of the cultural far-Left infuriates me. For some of the reasons you list, as well as for some you do not. But most of the Democratic party isn’t that. Trump and Fox News want the nuttiest parts of Hollywood, or universities or, perhaps mostly, The Squad to be the symbols of the Democratic party precisely because if the real political center of the party — Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barak Obama — are the symbols, The Republicans fair far worse.
Someone online has commented that bad things remain bad even when other bad things are happening or other bad people are doing other bad things for bad reasons badly. Or bad people are calling the bad things bad for bad reasons.
Bad things remain bad.
Also, disproportionality is bad.
The existence of Antifa is terrible. The various methods people on the far-Left are using to stifle debate (and circumvent due process) are terrible. The consistantly problematic anti-semitism of a vocal few is deeply worrying to me. However, none of this poses the same type of threat as having a White Supremacist moron with malignant narcissistic personality disorder as the President. Nor does any of it rise to the level of Mitch McConnell and his cohort who actively strive to subvert the will of the people — and even refuse to allow bills protecting our democracy from coming to a vote. As much as I have problems with some members of The Squad, there is simply no nationally elected Democrat remotely as dangerous to our basic democracy and institutions as the leaders of the Republican party — nor the near 100% of the nationally elected Republicans who follow them.
So, in summary, I don’t disagree with most of your points, generally. But these points don’t really apply to Trump or some of his most ardent followers. There is only so much debate to be had with someone who writes The Browning Of America, or someone who calls *some* Neo-Nazis good people.
winetarelli posted:thistlintom posted:The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different. The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.
I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals. It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.
I don’t disagree with much of this, Tom. BUT, nowhere in mainstream media is Identity Politics more prevalent than on Fox News. The difference is that on Fox News it is White Identity politics and frequently White Supremacy. There is nothing In mainstream Left-Wing media analogous to Pirro or Carlson, or Hannity or Dobbs. It is certainly often the White Supremacy when the President speaks. (See TOM’s examples for just the tip of the iceberg.)
I’m a steadfast liberal. As such, a great amount of the cultural far-Left infuriates me. For some of the reasons you list, as well as for some you do not. But most of the Democratic party isn’t that. Trump and Fox News want the nuttiest parts of Hollywood, or universities or, perhaps mostly, The Squad to be the symbols of the Democratic party precisely because if the real political center of the party — Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barak Obama — are the symbols, The Republicans fair far worse.
Someone online has commented that bad things remain bad even when other bad things are happening or other bad people are doing other bad things for bad reasons badly. Or bad people are calling the bad things bad for bad reasons.
Bad things remain bad.
Also, disproportionality is bad.
The existence of Antifa is terrible. The various methods people on the far-Left are using to stifle debate (and circumvent due process) are terrible. The consistantly problematic anti-semitism of a vocal few is deeply worrying to me. However, none of this poses the same type of threat as having a White Supremacist moron with malignant narcissistic personality disorder as the President. Nor does any of it rise to the level of Mitch McConnell and his cohort who actively strive to subvert the will of the people — and even refuse to allow bills protecting our democracy from coming to a vote. As much as I have problems with some members of The Squad, there is simply no nationally elected Democrat remotely as dangerous to our basic democracy and institutions as the leaders of the Republican party — nor the near 100% of the nationally elected Republicans who follow them.
So, in summary, I don’t disagree with most of your points, generally. But these points don’t really apply to Trump or some of his most ardent followers. There is only so much debate to be had with someone who writes The Browning Of America, or someone who calls *some* Neo-Nazis good people.
VERY well said, wt.
And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
It's not hate when it's true.....
mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch.
billhike posted:mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch.
Apparently not a requirement
mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
Calling out hateful racism is not the definition of hate.
billhike posted:mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch.
Bingo. Mike I can't remember the last time I saw you post anything but one of these bitch posts right in this thread. You're admonishing exactly what you're doing. Go over to the Drinking or Eating threads and post something for gawds sake.
wineismylife posted:billhike posted:mikemann posted:And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful
When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch.
Bingo. Mike I can't remember the last time I saw you post anything but one of these bitch posts right in this thread. You're admonishing exactly what you're doing. Go over to the Drinking or Eating threads and post something for gawds sake.
Sage advice. Sadly more a few subscribe to that model here
That aspect ratio, though.
"Katie Holmes’s Post-Breakup Outfit Is Sending a Subtle (But Important) Message"
“I guess … because Putin outsmarted him, President Obama thought it wasn’t a good thing to have Russia in.” https://politi.co/2Hv7uI7
Putin’s Bitch never fails to say something nice about his master........:rolleyes
It’d be funny if it weren’t so blatantly treasonous for the POTUS to denigrate his American predecessor and praise an enemy of the United States IN THE SAME SENTENCE!!!
It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
“President Trump Cancels Trip To Denmark After Greenland Spat.”
‘President Trump cancels trip to Denmark because they won’t sell him Greenland.’
C’mon guys.
I don’t know if the scariest part about the Trump presidency is the percentage of the U.S. that genuinely has yet to figure out that he suffers from serious mental/emotional problems or the percentage that recognizes it bit doesn’t care so long as their issues (tax cuts, keeping Latinos out of the country, Conservative judges, etc) rule temporary policy.
He said yesterday that Jewish americans would be disloyal if they did not vote for him. What about Latinos, Asians, Catholics, plumbers, doctors, and teachers. Would they be? Or, are they able to choose intelligently, without fear of being accused of treason.
One thing, and maybe the only thing, that El Presidente Trump is good at is that he is the master of the insult.
He said, in his talk wherein he canceled the state visit to Denmark, an invitation from that country's monarch and government, that Denmark is a great ally of ours. That's true. So, what is the point of insulting them by canceling the trip after you accept the invitation?
The tariffs, say the experts, will cost the average American about $1000. (Does that mean China is paying?) Thus, El Presidente is considering lowering the payroll tax to replace this money in the average person's bank account, thus adding to the already grossly overbloated federal deficit, which he promised to lower.
Wharton should revoke his degree.
winetarelli posted:It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
And you think the will leave if he loses? Remember this is a guy who said he'd only accept the 2016 election results if he won. He already has a stacked Supreme Court after McConnell stole the seat from Obama. Declare a national emergency (immigrant invasion or some other lie) and cancel the elections or the transfer of power after the election. I'd say I'm deluded by paranoia except he's clearly our first president who doesn't understand, or believe in, democracy.
The Old Man posted:winetarelli posted:It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
And you think the will leave if he loses? Remember this is a guy who said he'd only accept the 2016 election results if he won. He already has a stacked Supreme Court after McConnell stole the seat from Obama. Declare a national emergency (immigrant invasion or some other lie) and cancel the elections or the transfer of power after the election. I'd say I'm deluded by paranoia except he's clearly our first president who doesn't understand, or believe in, democracy.
Oh My God...you are mental.
If Trump runs, and I think there is an outside chance he'll withdraw---but if he runs and he loses, he'll protest and say that the election was stolen by the media, or whomever else is in his sights at the time. If the electoral vote is lopsided it will be much better than if it is a squeaker. He'll not go quietly in the night. Gracious, he is not.
napacat posted:The Old Man posted:winetarelli posted:It’s depressing, infuriating, and scary. Trump needs to go. Everything in the Democratic primary needs to be focused on Trump. Until Trump is gone, I don’t care about small policy differences among Democrats or whatever niche wokeness issue other Dems think is important. Trump is a danger to the republic and needs to go. Then we can have the other fights.
And you think the will leave if he loses? Remember this is a guy who said he'd only accept the 2016 election results if he won. He already has a stacked Supreme Court after McConnell stole the seat from Obama. Declare a national emergency (immigrant invasion or some other lie) and cancel the elections or the transfer of power after the election. I'd say I'm deluded by paranoia except he's clearly our first president who doesn't understand, or believe in, democracy.
Oh My God...you are mental.
So which is it? Are you "done on this topic" or not? He's the only president who ever said he'd only accept the election results if he won.What do you think the man/baby will do if he loses? But don't answer because you're "done with this topic."
It's hard to maintain equilibrium between exhausted resignation and angry reaction.
Such is life as a thoughtful American these days. I look forward to times where I don't have to worry what my president is fucking up this afternoon.
PH