purplehaze posted:

TOM.  You neglected to mention that this photograph made its way into the media because it was tweeted by Melania trump.  Not the uncle (on the left).  For just a little context, the uncle and the deceased father were trump supporters.  But, holding an orphan with a beaming grin, and the moron-in-chief flashing a thumbs up sign given the circumstances is just another example of how tone-deaf and lacking in compassion this misbegotten family is.

PH

Indeed. The racist First Family was clearly there to celebrate the deaths. Thus, all smiles and a big thumbs up for the now orphaned child. A celebration was in order.

Now, about the crowd size....

Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.

Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.

The Old Man posted:

Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.

Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.

Slick opportunist, the Mooch.   He was a toxic POS when serving the orange bloviator.  His opinion is meaningless to me.  I would like to hear from Kelley, McGahn and Mattis.  Soon.

PH

 

The Old Man posted:

Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.

Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.

Oh Old Man...give it a rest.  I said I was done on this topic.  

napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.

Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.

Oh Old Man...give it a rest.  I said I was done on this topic.  

"This topic" as if we're discussing what car you're driving or what team you support.

Ding dong.

The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.

Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.

Oh Old Man...give it a rest.  I said I was done on this "topic".  

"This topic" as if we're discussing what car you're driving or what team you support.

Ding dong.

What an Old, Obnoxious, Arrogant and Self-righteous Turd you are.  I replied with your quote, to your quote and about the only topic you are stuck on at present. 

I added quotation marks around the word topic above.  Maybe you will approve.  I am anxiously awaiting and hoping you will.  It will mean the world to me Old Man.  

 

napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:

Anthony Scaramucci, after defending the racist-in-chief again on Bill Maher's show on Friday, finally threw in the towel yesterday. He no longer supports the sick pig for reelection. Of course the man-baby immediately starting doing twit attacks against his now former friend.

Listen to the bells Napa, et el., it tolls for thee. Stop supporting a racist president.

Oh Old Man...give it a rest.  I said I was done on this "topic".  

"This topic" as if we're discussing what car you're driving or what team you support.

Ding dong.

What an Old, Obnoxious, Arrogant and Self-righteous Turd you are.  I replied with your quote, to your quote and about the only topic you are stuck on at present. 

I added quotation marks around the word topic above.  Maybe you will approve.  I am anxiously awaiting and hoping you will.  It will mean the world to me Old Man.  

 

Apparently you're not "done on this topic." Did you read the article that said if you support a racist, that makes one a racist? Look in the mirror, a racist is staring back at you.

PS, exactly how old am I? Have we met?

That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.

Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.

The Old Man posted:

That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.

Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.

I agree that the word is being overused. That said, if the shoe fits, as it does with Donnie Dickhead, .... ,

bman posted:
The Old Man posted:

That's the best you've got? From the article."If you are politically on the left, racism is what you accuse people who don't agree with you.

Horse manure for the hyperbolic broad brush. I don't know about the left, but my whole life I've only used it against racists, you know, like the racist-in-chief. I agree with this basic principle: If you support and defend a racist, like the racist-in-chief, and make light of his bigotry then yeah, you're a racist.

I agree that the word is being overused. That said, if the shoe fits, as it does with Donnie Dickhead, .... ,

Exactly, of course it's being overused, the word "awesome" is overused, but somethings are awesome (ie total eclipse of the sun) and some people racists. No opinion piece in the WSJ can change that.

Multiple things can be true. The “woke” far-left is using words like “racist”, “sexist”, etc. (or worst, simply, “that’s offensive”) to stifle important debate and — in some cases — even academic research and science. ALSO, if words have any meaning, Donald Trump is a full-on racist. Also, he suffers from malignant narcissistic personality disorder. And is both a true ignoramus — in that he knows absolutely nothing — and a deeply stupid individual. Our nation’s, and the world’s, saving may just be Trump’s utter incompetence. If he were able to complete more, God help us all. 

Talking about imposing a 100% tariff on French wines:

“I’ve always liked American wines better than French wines, even though I don’t drink wine,” Trump, a professed teetotaler, told reporters in the Oval Office. “I just like the way they look. American wines are great.”

 

we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle".  I ordered a beer.  The very attractive waitress asked to see my ID to verify that I was old enough to drink. The drinking age in MD is 21.

I recently turned 66.  When I was 21, Nixon had just resigned the Presidency.

Of course, I gave her a large tip.  And, the business card of my eye doctor.

 

 

irwin posted:

we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle".  I ordered a beer.  The very attractive waitress asked to see my ID to verify that I was old enough to drink. The drinking age in MD is 21.

I recently turned 66.  When I was 21, Nixon had just resigned the Presidency.

Of course, I gave her a large tip.  And, the business card of my eye doctor.

 

 

Lol!

The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different.   The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.

I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals.  It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.

irwin posted:

we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle". 

I'm familiar with the chain.  The Green Turtle was once a decent dive bar (oxymoron?) in Ocean City, MD.  Years ago they began franchising, and frankly, the franchises suck.  The Turtle is also known as a hangout for younger drinkers.

Typically, when servers are carding 66 year old patrons, it's because the facility has had a recent violation for serving underage drinkers.  The move by management is "card 'em all," to eliminate any chance of losing their license.  This usually eases in time.

PH

thistlintom posted:

The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different.   The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.

I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals.  It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.

There is some truth in what you say here, tom.  But.

I find your assertion that,

"The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights...

a bit amusing. In the history of our country, we've been doing exactly this for centuries.  And many people's identities and rights have been abused specifically because of the categories that the majority had placed them in.  I can understand the instinct of members of protected classes to "over react," in circumstances when they are categorized, marginalized or mistreated because of their category.  Especially in circumstances where the communications are coming from high ranking politicians and other citizens with a national platform.

PH

" It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view."

How tiring. How exactly do I challenge these points of view?

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

Should I get into an intellectual discussion with someone who tells four women of color (three of which were born in the US) to, "Go back to where they came from"?

Am I supposed to have a rational conversation with a person who engaged in a fact-free conspiracy theory to prove the the first black man to become president wasn't an American citizen?

What do I say when an American president who equtes neo-Nazis with those who oppose them? Who calls them "fine people"?

What do you say to a man who, after five black men that were wrongly imprisoned and then exonerated (after DNA and a confession from the real rapist), takes out full pages ads saying they are guilty?

As a number of people tried to point out, just because some people misuse a word doesn't mean the word can't be properly employed.

So yeah, I'm going to call the racist who occupies the WH a racist. And I'm always going to wonder about people who support this racist no matter what hate and filth comes out of his shithole of a mouth.

purplehaze posted:
irwin posted:

we went to lunch at a chain place today called "The Green Turtle". 

I'm familiar with the chain.  The Green Turtle was once a decent dive bar (oxymoron?) in Ocean City, MD.  Years ago they began franchising, and frankly, the franchises suck.  The Turtle is also known as a hangout for younger drinkers.

Typically, when servers are carding 66 year old patrons, it's because the facility has had a recent violation for serving underage drinkers.  The move by management is "card 'em all," to eliminate any chance of losing their license.  This usually eases in time.

PH

The place in Towson isn't great.  It's mostly for the Towson University students. But it is next to the public library, and I wanted to take a book out of the library to read. (More evidence of my age).

The franchise out in McHenry Maryland, next to Deep Creek Lake is pretty good.

thistlintom posted:

The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different.   The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.

I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals.  It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.

I don’t disagree with much of this, Tom. BUT,  nowhere in mainstream media is Identity Politics more prevalent than on Fox News. The difference is that on Fox News it is White Identity politics and frequently White Supremacy. There is nothing In mainstream Left-Wing media analogous to Pirro or Carlson, or Hannity or Dobbs. It is certainly often the White Supremacy when the President speaks. (See TOM’s examples for just the tip of the iceberg.)

I’m a steadfast liberal. As such, a great amount of the cultural far-Left infuriates me. For some of the reasons you list, as well as for some you do not. But most of the Democratic party isn’t that. Trump and Fox News want the nuttiest parts of Hollywood, or universities or, perhaps mostly, The Squad to be the symbols of the Democratic party precisely because if the real political center of the party — Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barak Obama — are the symbols, The Republicans fair far worse.  

Someone online has commented that bad things remain bad even when other bad things are happening or other bad people are doing other bad things for bad reasons badly. Or bad people are calling the bad things bad for bad reasons.  

Bad things remain bad.

Also, disproportionality is bad.

The existence of Antifa is terrible. The various methods people on the far-Left are using to stifle debate (and circumvent due process) are terrible.  The consistantly problematic anti-semitism of a vocal few is deeply worrying to me.  However, none of this poses the same type of threat as having a White Supremacist moron with malignant narcissistic personality disorder as the President. Nor does any of it rise to the level of Mitch McConnell and his cohort who actively strive to subvert the will of the people — and even refuse to allow bills protecting our democracy from coming to a vote. As much as I have problems with some members of The Squad, there is simply no nationally elected Democrat remotely as dangerous to our basic democracy and institutions as the leaders of the Republican party — nor the near 100% of the nationally elected Republicans who follow them. 

So, in summary, I don’t disagree with most of your points, generally. But these points don’t really apply to Trump or some of his most ardent followers. There is only so much debate to be had with someone who writes The Browning Of America, or someone who calls *some* Neo-Nazis good people. 

winetarelli posted:
thistlintom posted:

The reason why I posted the article on racism is that I believe we have been moving backwards on race relations and the charge of racism and white privilege are used as weapons against those whose opinions and views are different.   The use of Identity politics and intersectionality are destructive and are used to push people into categories, which is contradictory to the ideals of the US which is the identity of the individual and the individual's rights.

I believe that the overused charges of racism, the concept of white privilege and the use of identity politics have damaged the ability to have conversations about policies and to challenge opponents views from a position of ideals.  It's an easy cop out to yell racist or charge white privilege instead of challenging the opponents point of view.

I don’t disagree with much of this, Tom. BUT,  nowhere in mainstream media is Identity Politics more prevalent than on Fox News. The difference is that on Fox News it is White Identity politics and frequently White Supremacy. There is nothing In mainstream Left-Wing media analogous to Pirro or Carlson, or Hannity or Dobbs. It is certainly often the White Supremacy when the President speaks. (See TOM’s examples for just the tip of the iceberg.)

I’m a steadfast liberal. As such, a great amount of the cultural far-Left infuriates me. For some of the reasons you list, as well as for some you do not. But most of the Democratic party isn’t that. Trump and Fox News want the nuttiest parts of Hollywood, or universities or, perhaps mostly, The Squad to be the symbols of the Democratic party precisely because if the real political center of the party — Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, Barak Obama — are the symbols, The Republicans fair far worse.  

Someone online has commented that bad things remain bad even when other bad things are happening or other bad people are doing other bad things for bad reasons badly. Or bad people are calling the bad things bad for bad reasons.  

Bad things remain bad.

Also, disproportionality is bad.

The existence of Antifa is terrible. The various methods people on the far-Left are using to stifle debate (and circumvent due process) are terrible.  The consistantly problematic anti-semitism of a vocal few is deeply worrying to me.  However, none of this poses the same type of threat as having a White Supremacist moron with malignant narcissistic personality disorder as the President. Nor does any of it rise to the level of Mitch McConnell and his cohort who actively strive to subvert the will of the people — and even refuse to allow bills protecting our democracy from coming to a vote. As much as I have problems with some members of The Squad, there is simply no nationally elected Democrat remotely as dangerous to our basic democracy and institutions as the leaders of the Republican party — nor the near 100% of the nationally elected Republicans who follow them. 

So, in summary, I don’t disagree with most of your points, generally. But these points don’t really apply to Trump or some of his most ardent followers. There is only so much debate to be had with someone who writes The Browning Of America, or someone who calls *some* Neo-Nazis good people. 

VERY well said, wt. 

mikemann posted:

And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful

When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch. 

billhike posted:
mikemann posted:

And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful

When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch. 

Apparently not a requirement

billhike posted:
mikemann posted:

And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful

When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch. 

Bingo.  Mike I can't remember the last time I saw you post anything but one of these bitch posts right in this thread.  You're admonishing exactly what you're doing.  Go over to the Drinking or Eating threads and post something for gawds sake.

wineismylife posted:
billhike posted:
mikemann posted:

And you wonder why this site has deteriorated into a shithole? Just look at all the hate posted here. Horrible! I used to enjoy reading here. Pit-E-ful

When was your last wine/food/travel related post? Try contributing instead of popping in just to bitch. 

Bingo.  Mike I can't remember the last time I saw you post anything but one of these bitch posts right in this thread.  You're admonishing exactly what you're doing.  Go over to the Drinking or Eating threads and post something for gawds sake.

Sage advice. Sadly more a few subscribe to that model here

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