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napacat posted:
thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

Good post.  I watched it...nothing at all wrong with the speech...quite the contrary.  Read the Declaration again today. What a great country!    How do some of you find fault with everything?  Have a glass wine and enjoy!   

#DummiesGonnaBeDummies!!!

thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

We (the US) celebrate its military and show their appreciation of their sacrifices in a number of ways ... Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, in baseball games, in football games, etc.  Only dictators and an inept president have military parades.  If only the cost and effort of putting together this dumb show of penis envy went into providing better care for veterans, the country would be in a much better place.

This is the only president that chastises a former POW in McCain.  Care to explain why?

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napacat posted:
thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

Good post.  I watched it...nothing at all wrong with the speech...quite the contrary.  Read the Declaration again today. What a great country!    How do some of you find fault with everything?  Have a glass wine and enjoy!   

Nothing wrong with the speech?  Even the part where he said the Army took over the airports during the Revolutionary War?  You may want to check your history and look up when airplanes were invented

Anyone who thinks yesterday's DC spectacle was about anything other than glorifying Trump, has not been paying attention to the guy for the last few decades, and the last couple of years in particular.  Anyone care to bet that scenes from yesterday will not/not appear in his campaign in some way?  

If it was a truly non-partisan event the VIP tickets would have been distributed by lottery or by a non-partisan third party, if the latter even continues to exist in Trump's America.....

doubled posted:
thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

We (the US) celebrate its military and show their appreciation of their sacrifices in a number of ways ... Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, in baseball games, in football games, etc.  Only dictators and an inept president have military parades.  If only the cost and effort of putting together this dumb show of penis envy went into providing better care for veterans, the country would be in a much better place.

This is the only president that chastises a former POW in McCain.  Care to explain why?

Didn't see 100% of it...the part about the airport was obviously incorrect...if reading I wonder how that could have been wrong. I still have no problem with the speech at all.  Would not of had a problem if Obama would have done the same thing.

As for McCain, why does Trump have to like him.  Disliking him is completely his prerogative.  Does not take away that the man was an obvious was hero.  

napacat posted:
doubled posted:
thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

We (the US) celebrate its military and show their appreciation of their sacrifices in a number of ways ... Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, in baseball games, in football games, etc.  Only dictators and an inept president have military parades.  If only the cost and effort of putting together this dumb show of penis envy went into providing better care for veterans, the country would be in a much better place.

This is the only president that chastises a former POW in McCain.  Care to explain why?

Didn't see 100% of it...the part about the airport was obviously incorrect...if reading I wonder how that could have been wrong. I still have no problem with the speech at all.  Would not of had a problem if Obama would have done the same thing.

As for McCain, why does Trump have to like him.  Disliking him is completely his prerogative.  Does not take away that the man was an obvious was hero.  

God you are a moron. Trump doesn't have to like John McCain; he has to respect what he did. While Trump got a draft deferment for a bone spur that he can't even remember what foot was affected, McCain was denying early release from the Hanoi hellhole to stay with his men. Perhaps the biggest insult to the military in US history: "He's not a hero. He's a hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured, OK?" And you think this pig is a good president?

The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
doubled posted:
thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

We (the US) celebrate its military and show their appreciation of their sacrifices in a number of ways ... Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, in baseball games, in football games, etc.  Only dictators and an inept president have military parades.  If only the cost and effort of putting together this dumb show of penis envy went into providing better care for veterans, the country would be in a much better place.

This is the only president that chastises a former POW in McCain.  Care to explain why?

Didn't see 100% of it...the part about the airport was obviously incorrect...if reading I wonder how that could have been wrong. I still have no problem with the speech at all.  Would not of had a problem if Obama would have done the same thing.

As for McCain, why does Trump have to like him.  Disliking him is completely his prerogative.  Does not take away that the man was an obvious was hero.  

God you are a moron. Trump doesn't have to like John McCain; he has to respect what he did. While Trump got a draft deferment for a bone spur that he can't even remember what foot was affected, McCain was denying early release from the Hanoi hellhole to stay with his men. Perhaps the biggest insult to the military in US history: "He's not a hero. He's a hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured, OK?" And you think this pig is a good president?

Old Man, seriously, stop insulting pigs!!!

wineart 2 posted:
The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
doubled posted:
thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

We (the US) celebrate its military and show their appreciation of their sacrifices in a number of ways ... Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, in baseball games, in football games, etc.  Only dictators and an inept president have military parades.  If only the cost and effort of putting together this dumb show of penis envy went into providing better care for veterans, the country would be in a much better place.

This is the only president that chastises a former POW in McCain.  Care to explain why?

Didn't see 100% of it...the part about the airport was obviously incorrect...if reading I wonder how that could have been wrong. I still have no problem with the speech at all.  Would not of had a problem if Obama would have done the same thing.

As for McCain, why does Trump have to like him.  Disliking him is completely his prerogative.  Does not take away that the man was an obvious was hero.  

God you are a moron. Trump doesn't have to like John McCain; he has to respect what he did. While Trump got a draft deferment for a bone spur that he can't even remember what foot was affected, McCain was denying early release from the Hanoi hellhole to stay with his men. Perhaps the biggest insult to the military in US history: "He's not a hero. He's a hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured, OK?" And you think this pig is a good president?

Old Man, seriously, stop insulting pigs!!!

You're right. I have a friend in Las Vegas who rescues pigs and other "pets" that people change their minds about. Either Napa was trying to sneak in a strawman argument (no one said Trump needed to "like" McCain) or Napa's a dumbass; no in between.

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thistlintom posted:

It was not a military parade, the military vehicles were only on display.  There were multiple flyovers, which is not much different than done during sports games.  I thought the flyovers were pretty cool.

Tom...  I think you're being just a little bit disingenuous here.  Sure it wasn't a military parade. That said, there would have been one if trump had been able to pull it off.  He's been talking about doing one for years.  I also like flyovers, and am a big sucker for military aviation.  I go to airshows whenever I can.  If you can name me ONE sporting event that had a B-2 bomber, F-22 Raptor, F-35C, a VC-25 and the Blue Angels all together, I'll allow you the analogy.  Otherwise, it doesn't pass the sniff test.  Sorry.

Interestingly, the large assembly of air power came just days after a F-18 Super Hornet appearance at a Michigan airshow was cancelled due to budgetary shortfalls in Naval aviation.  The fact that several million dollars was taken from Park Service funds slated to improve our parks is an additional example of the tone deaf egotism displayed by trump and his administration.  

PH

 

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For all the gnashing of teeth about what the Fourth of July celebration was going to be like, from a military parade to a political event, it was actually a pretty good event.  Yes it had a big flyover, but the whole nation gets to enjoy seeing it and it is a show of support for the military.  Trump's speech was not political and was fitting for the celebration.  The turnout was pretty good, despite the weather.

I'm not getting into Trump's mind of woulda coulda, just commenting on what actually happened and it was pretty good.

Saw the fireworks from New York and they were spectacular.  Really cool how it looked like a river of fireworks, pouring over the bridge a few times during the event.

The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
doubled posted:
thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

We (the US) celebrate its military and show their appreciation of their sacrifices in a number of ways ... Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, in baseball games, in football games, etc.  Only dictators and an inept president have military parades.  If only the cost and effort of putting together this dumb show of penis envy went into providing better care for veterans, the country would be in a much better place.

This is the only president that chastises a former POW in McCain.  Care to explain why?

Didn't see 100% of it...the part about the airport was obviously incorrect...if reading I wonder how that could have been wrong. I still have no problem with the speech at all.  Would not of had a problem if Obama would have done the same thing.

As for McCain, why does Trump have to like him.  Disliking him is completely his prerogative.  Does not take away that the man was an obvious was hero.  

God you are a moron. Trump doesn't have to like John McCain; he has to respect what he did. While Trump got a draft deferment for a bone spur that he can't even remember what foot was affected, McCain was denying early release from the Hanoi hellhole to stay with his men. Perhaps the biggest insult to the military in US history: "He's not a hero. He's a hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured, OK?" And you think this pig is a good president?

What a tool of the left you are and an intolerant old fool.  Why does he have to respect him?  And who are you to decide he has to?   He does not like him...that’s that!  Keep getting your pants in a wad....as you will have four more years to tell President Trump how he should think and act.  I believe your in a border city?  Take any asylum seeking migrants in? 

This is from a well-respected poster on Quora, who participated in several brutal conflicts while serving in the military of an Eastern European country:

 

“It may not look like this to everyone who was watching it, but I think that the military was able to save its reputation (of being unpolitical). Their contribution to Trump’s 4th of July celebration was a subtle, but clear F—k You! towards the president.

Everyone who is familiar with Army culture could see the signs:

Tanks.

Trump wanted tanks and the army gave him a couple of badly maintained M-2 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles. One of the Bradleys had its left chain not adjusted and rather loose. I don’t know how they allowed this vehicle to leave the barracks like that, I can just guess that they didn’t give a flying F—k about the event and that it had the lowest priority.

Aircraft.

The Brits have a saying: “You do it properly or you don’t do it at all.” Maybe I’m a little spoiled from having watched too many military parades, but what the US military came up with on that day was rather poor. Three aircraft here, five there, but most of the time, the sky was clear. Oh yeah, and one B-2 bomber! The “Blue Angels” appearance looked a bit better but was terribly timed.

Attendance of the military leadership.

Almost all chiefs of the branches sent their 2nd in commands to the event. They said that they already had planned to be at other events, but this is crap. When the president calls, you go there; unless, of course, you really, really don’t want to be there.

Costs.

The US has the biggest military in the world, but I’ve seen better displays of military force from Germany (the most anti-militaristic country in the world) and even Croatia. They said the whole event had cost 92 million USD, I don’t know for what.

I’m absolutely convinced that the US can do a much better show, with half of the price-tag. Let some Navy SEALs rappel from a helicopter, better from 25 helicopters. Show some infantry (without the heavy equipment), the crowds adore this kind of stuff.

It looks like nobody in Trump’s circle had asked the military for their input and they weren’t willing to give it without a formal request.

All military forces in the world are leaning conservative and the US military is no exception. Most soldiers might be pro-Trump, but there’s a line that no one likes to cross: politicizing the military is a big no-no.

The US military has shown how much they appreciate politicized events such as Trump’s 4th of July celebration and I'm sure that maybe not the President, but at least some of the people around him have understood the message: leave us out of this!”

napacat posted:
The Old Man posted:
napacat posted:
doubled posted:
thistlintom posted:

The military is a key part of why we are a free nation and continue with our independence.  Why not celebrate them  and their sacrifices as a part of our celebration of independence?  It’s not like it hasn’t been done before.

We (the US) celebrate its military and show their appreciation of their sacrifices in a number of ways ... Veteran's Day, Memorial Day, in baseball games, in football games, etc.  Only dictators and an inept president have military parades.  If only the cost and effort of putting together this dumb show of penis envy went into providing better care for veterans, the country would be in a much better place.

This is the only president that chastises a former POW in McCain.  Care to explain why?

Didn't see 100% of it...the part about the airport was obviously incorrect...if reading I wonder how that could have been wrong. I still have no problem with the speech at all.  Would not of had a problem if Obama would have done the same thing.

As for McCain, why does Trump have to like him.  Disliking him is completely his prerogative.  Does not take away that the man was an obvious was hero.  

God you are a moron. Trump doesn't have to like John McCain; he has to respect what he did. While Trump got a draft deferment for a bone spur that he can't even remember what foot was affected, McCain was denying early release from the Hanoi hellhole to stay with his men. Perhaps the biggest insult to the military in US history: "He's not a hero. He's a hero because he was captured. I like people who weren't captured, OK?" And you think this pig is a good president?

What a tool of the left you are and an intolerant old fool.  Why does he have to respect him?  And who are you to decide he has to?   He does not like him...that’s that!  Keep getting your pants in a wad....as you will have four more years to tell President Trump how he should think and act.  I believe your in a border city?  Take any asylum seeking migrants in? 

I'm may be an old fool by I know that it's "you're" not "your." And yes I'm intolerant of racism, bigotry, sexism, know-nothingism, white nationalists, terrorizing little immigrant children by removing  them from their parents and putting them in squalid conditions and everything else the demagogue in chief represents. I don't know anything about you except you support a "man" who embodies all of those things.

Again reread the sentence he actually spoke; it's NOT just about McCain, but about POW's in general: "I like people who weren't captured, OK?" This from a "man" whose rich father helped him dodge the draft. Hang your head in shame for supporting this sick aberration in US history.

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Speaking of the Brits, I thought this piece provided a thorough exposure of Trump's character or more accurately, lack of character.  This is the person who represents America to the world and (supposedly) stands as a role model to future generations.  SAD!

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

bman posted:

Speaking of the Brits, I thought this piece provided a thorough exposure of Trump's character or more accurately, lack of character.  This is the person who represents America to the world and (supposedly) stands as a role model to future generations.  SAD!

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

While Nate was being insightful and obviously accurate, he was also being kind as most Brits are.

On a side note, I so wish the old man would not have taken the grammatical pen to the empty suits post. It is LOL funny watching him make the same elementary school mistakes over and over again. He is beyond predictable much like his cult hero. 😂

flwino posted:
purplehaze posted:
bman posted:

Speaking of the Brits...

 What an eloquent take-down.  

PH

Now the US will not speak to the Brits.

Could someone please leak reports from all the ambassadors?  No doubt they've all sent similar reports, since what the British ambassador reported is obvious to anyone with eyes and ears.  Then Trump would stop talking to us all and we could get on with our lives. 

bman posted:
flwino posted:
purplehaze posted:
bman posted:

Speaking of the Brits...

 What an eloquent take-down.  

PH

Now the US will not speak to the Brits.

Could someone please leak reports from all the ambassadors?  No doubt they've all sent similar reports, since what the British ambassador reported is obvious to anyone with eyes and ears.  Then Trump would stop talking to us all and we could get on with our lives. 

Exactly. Being called inept and clumsy obviously is one of the kinder descriptions of him within the world community. Now, world bullies and dictators know how to play the simple minded one in the White House. They too must be laughing their asses off as they blow smoke up his fat ass knowing he actually buys such. What could be as amusing than the “ love letters” being exchanged between Putin’s poodle and the murderous dictator of North Korea?  Kim has played Putin’s poodle like a cheap fiddle. North Korea has a GDP the size of Wyoming yet Kim has the fake president kissing his ring as the world watches.

bman posted:

Speaking of the Brits, I thought this piece provided a thorough exposure of Trump's character or more accurately, lack of character.  This is the person who represents America to the world and (supposedly) stands as a role model to future generations.  SAD!

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

Hilarious and accurate.  Thanks for posting.

purplehaze posted:

Lt. Col. Amy McGrath...

Long shot, but glad to see it.  Semper Fi, Col. McGrath.  I'll send you a few bucks just on principle.

PH

Send her all you got.  She'll need it.  That was tough to even watch it is so loaded with hypocrisy and the usual talking points.  Great that she served and was a fighter pilot as well...very noble.  But blaming Mitch for how Washington currently works is a bit of a stretch.  Has he been there too long...for sure.    Just look at what they tried with Justice Kavanaugh, some of these Democrats should have charges brought against them.

And he certainly answered that question about his ancestors owning slaves pretty spot on yesterday.   

flwino posted:

Mitch the Witch.  The Senate [IMHO] should be forced to take up every bill passed be the House.  That is a democracy.   Time for him to retire!

Mitch is fantastic...great move on blocking Garland.  Democrats would have done the exact same thing if they were in power.  What a great stance that paid off beautifully.  

That said he has been there too long .  Why should they...if the house sends nonsense why?  

I have tried to avoid responding to your inanity directly over the past many months, but I just can't let this last post stand unaddressed.  

1) "Mitch is fantastic...  That said he has been there too long." 

What the hell are you saying?  If he's fantastic, he should stick around as long as his "fantastic-ness" continues.  And in case you're not aware, his current approval rating among registered voters in Kentucky is 33%.  Even his own constituents don't think he's fantastic. History will ultimately judge his contributions to our nation, and history will not be kind.  

2) "Why should they...if the house sends nonsense why?"

What the hell does this mean?  This sentence, even given its absolutely atrocious construction makes absolutely no sense.  If English is not your first language, I'll give you a gentle pass, but otherwise, you write like a lazy 4th grader.  A step up from your president, though.  I'll give you that much.

Seriously, napacat.  You just might want to refrain from posting when you've been drinking.  Or just refrain from posting, period.  

PH

purplehaze posted:

I have tried to avoid responding to your inanity directly over the past many months, but I just can't let this last post stand unaddressed.  

1) "Mitch is fantastic...  That said he has been there too long." 

What the hell are you saying?  If he's fantastic, he should stick around as long as his "fantastic-ness" continues.  And in case you're not aware, his current approval rating among registered voters in Kentucky is 33%.  Even his own constituents don't think he's fantastic. History will ultimately judge his contributions to our nation, and history will not be kind.  

2) "Why should they...if the house sends nonsense why?"

What the hell does this mean?  This sentence, even given its absolutely atrocious construction makes absolutely no sense.  If English is not your first language, I'll give you a gentle pass, but otherwise, you write like a lazy 4th grader.  A step up from your president, though.  I'll give you that much.

Seriously, napacat.  You just might want to refrain from posting when you've been drinking.  Or just refrain from posting, period.  

PH

As I've said; a terrible debater with unclear thoughts and pointless points. One shouldn't even take the time to respond to such inane drivel, but I know sometimes it's hard not to.

The Old Man posted:
As I've said; a terrible debater with unclear thoughts and pointless points. One shouldn't even take the time to respond to such inane drivel, but I know sometimes it's hard not to.

Hmm... unclear thoughts and pointless points.  Sounds eerily familiar, TOM.  Wonder who his inspiration might be?  I quit responding to him a long while ago because of the lack of logic and clarity.  I wonder if he even drinks wine anymore?  I'm sure there are other places where he can babble.

PH

The Old Man posted:
billhike posted:

At least the swamp got a little more drained today...

Try to keep up with how many in his administration have resigned (or been indicted); it's truly breathtaking. I think right now there's about seven positions filled with "acting" administrators. Such chaos and ineptitude.

Putin’s poodle entire administration has been nothing more than a cesspool. The lack of proper vetting and protocol is not surprising with a conman in the White House, not to mention the amount of people with security clearances despite our intelligence community advising against such. 

billhike posted:

But the stock market!

An incredible 10 year run for sure. The conman has a long way to go before equaling Obama’s performance.

Facts; Under Obama, S&P 500 grew by 56.4%, Dow up 50.6% and the Nasdaq up 92.9%.  Under the conman, S&P 500 up 21.4%, Dow up 25.2% and Nasdaq up 34.2%. 

But give Putin’s poodle his credit, he is setting records every quarter in debt and has grown our national debt to over $22 trillion and equally important, 4.4% of GDP - far higher than any average over the past 50 years. 

 

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