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bmanbmanMember
bomba503 posted:
thistlintom posted:
billhike posted:
Rayacerebros posted:

Whats de best wine in the the world?

Meiomi.

Yellow Tail makes the very best.

Apparently so as a few years ago the majority preferred drinking yellowtail reserve with yours truly over la tache with he who shall not be named

You drank la Tache with Voldemort?    Cool!  

N napacatMember
bman posted:
napacat posted:
bman posted:
napacat posted:
 

 according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction.  

My point was just about Trump's despicable attack on McCain, but since you raised the Mueller report, I'll get to that in a minute.  Meanwhile, you made a factual error in saying that McCain "peddled"  the dossier in question.  Here is what actually happened, according to the Arizona AG (a Republican):  "He got the information and he read it and it's pretty explosive. He immediately delivered it to the FBI and said this is for you all to deal with. That's what a statesman does. That's what a good American does. And that's what John McCain did. "  No "peddling" involved.  He received a document worthy of investigation by law enforcement on its merits and did the right thing with it.

As for the Mueller report, you made another factual error, Napa.  You said there was no obstruction but that's not what the report said:  

""Mr. Barr also said that Mr. Mueller’s team drew no conclusions about whether Mr. Trump illegally obstructed justice. Mr. Barr and the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, determined that the special counsel’s investigators lacked sufficient evidence to establish that Mr. Trump committed that offense, but added that Mr. Mueller’s team stopped short of exonerating Mr. Trump.

“While this report does not conclude that the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,” Mr. Barr quoted Mr. Mueller as writing.""

It's pretty obvious to everyone Napa, from the terminology you use above, that you take your so-called "facts" from Fox, or perhaps Breitbart and other right-wing Trump sycophants rather than from credible objective sources.  You may wish to check out reporting from the BBC, CBC or another foreign source that is not in the camp of either side of the American political divide.

Finally, how is something that has led the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people, and dozens of Russians, BS or a sham?  Any patriotic American would be pleased to see these attacks on democracy and criminals exposed.  Which says a lot about your hero Trump!

Bman, there are a lot of things wrong with your post.  Peddling may have been the wrong word...but I don't think McCain had the document first.  It was a bunch of unsubstantiated drivel and was purely fake.  That document did not warrant investigation by law enforcement if they would have done any research and saw where it derived from, they would have disregarded it.

Correct that the Mueller report did not absolve of obstruction...however, if you read my post...I stated that the AG and Deputy AG concluded there was not enough information for a charge on obstruction.  

Lastly, your statement that this investigation led to the conviction of several of Trump's top campaign people...none of the convictions had anything to do with Russian collusion. Don't mislead...a complete farce. 

Napa, you can't even read your own words?    You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction" and now you deny saying it? It's right there for God's sake!  Have some intellectual integrity please!

As for the document, if it was fake the only way to know would be an investigation by law enforcement.  The information was assembled by a credible source (a former intelligence official if I recall correctly) whatever Fox news says, and included allegations that any law enforcement agency would feel it necessary to investigate.

As for your last statement above, wrong again.  Several were convicted for lying to Congress and/or law enforcement, and it seems pretty clear that those lies pertained to Russian collusion.  Why would they have lied if they didn't?  

In any case, the Mueller investigation is anything but a farce.  Even if it had revealed nothing it was necessary given the events that led to its creation.  Again, try watching other news sources to get a balanced view of things.  I don't get Fox news here in Canada (I could, but won't pay for the, umm, "privilege") but I do check out their website and Breitbart's too, from time to time.  I suggest you do the same with BBC or CBC or The Economist or some other objective source.  

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

I do watch Fox among other sources.  Would you recommend that I get the majority of news from a lying media that reports 90 - 95% negative stories on Trump.  How wrong were they on this.  They actually were not wrong...they knew there was no collusion...they were just promoting a lie.  BBC is fine the others are not journalists.   Never seen Breitbart once.


You Democrats (not you specifically) are an odd bunch.  Can't wait for the real facts to come out about this...and hopefully jail time for many.  Just look at what they tried to do to Justice Kavanaugh.  That will show they have zero morals.  Look at Smollett and Avenatti.  Great guys.  

bmanbmanMember
napacat posted

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

napacat posted:
 

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

 

Again, your own words:  "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

And the fact that Mueller did not make a recommendation on obstruction does not mean that it didn't happen, just that they thought there was not enough evidence to get a conviction.  It's clear from the subsequent reporting that they agonized over the decision over months and months. Notable that it took Barr only a few hours to reach his conclusion.  Also notable that Trump appointed Barr, someone who was on record as agreeing with Trump that the investigation was unwarranted.

Bottom line is that the full report needs to be seen by the world so that context can be applied.  

Also important to see the results of investigations by the Southern District of NY and other prosecutors.  And whatever the results of these investigations, they don't change the fact that Trump is manifestly unfit to the President for dozens of reasons.  Here's just one, on which he scores 9 out of 9, Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

4 Needing constant admiration from others.

5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.

8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor

bmanbmanMember
irwin posted:
bman posted:

I learned something important on last week:  sheep can only wag their tails sideways while goats can wag their tails sideways and up and down.

Is this in both the Northern Hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere?

They can only wag them clockwise in the south, and counter-clockwise in the north

T thistlintomMember
bman posted:
napacat posted

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

napacat posted:
 

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

 

Again, your own words:  "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

And the fact that Mueller did not make a recommendation on obstruction does not mean that it didn't happen, just that they thought there was not enough evidence to get a conviction.  It's clear from the subsequent reporting that they agonized over the decision over months and months. Notable that it took Barr only a few hours to reach his conclusion.  Also notable that Trump appointed Barr, someone who was on record as agreeing with Trump that the investigation was unwarranted.

Bottom line is that the full report needs to be seen by the world so that context can be applied.  

Also important to see the results of investigations by the Southern District of NY and other prosecutors.  And whatever the results of these investigations, they don't change the fact that Trump is manifestly unfit to the President for dozens of reasons.  Here's just one, on which he scores 9 out of 9, Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

4 Needing constant admiration from others.

5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.

8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor

What are the characteristics of people with TDS?

bmanbmanMember
thistlintom posted:
bman posted:
 

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

4 Needing constant admiration from others.

5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.

8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor

What are the characteristics of people with TDS?

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, or "DSM", refereed to above, they are listed above. 

Not a list compiled by democrats or Trump-haters, it's the American Psychiatric Association's principal authority for psychiatric diagnosis. 

Aside from number 8, perhaps, Trump seems to be a case study!

 

 

T thistlintomMember

Oh, Trump certainly has his issues, no doubt about that.  But the way some people have acted since he got elected, shows that they have issues too. There is a lot of mourning from many since the report has come out, obviously deeply disappointed that he did not collude with Russia when they should be glad that something like this did not happen.

bmanbmanMember
thistlintom posted:

Oh, Trump certainly has his issues, no doubt about that.  But the way some people have acted since he got elected, shows that they have issues too. There is a lot of mourning from many since the report has come out, obviously deeply disappointed that he did not collude with Russia when they should be glad that something like this did not happen.

I for one am glad that neither he nor his campaign were found to collude with Russia.  But that doesn't mean that Trump's not utterly unfit to be President, and not just because of his obvious mental health issues, though those would appear to be the cause of his unfitness. 

Nor do I think the 4 page summary presented by his new AG (on record as considering the investigation bogus, in his 19 page unsolicited memo on the matter) should be the last word.  Those parts of the report which can legally be made public, which I am guessing will be almost all of it, should be made public.  It is not a matter of Trump-hating, it is simply too important a question to leave to a 4 page memo obviously prepared in haste.  It's too bad that there isn't a clearly impartial body to oversee that - the cost of a politically appointed public service

N napacatMember
bman posted:
napacat posted

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

You said; "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

napacat posted:
 

How can you be so dense?  I acknowledged the Mueller report did not exonerate Trump on obstruction.  Mueller also did not make a recommendation...so the AG and deputy AG write there was not enough information to bring charges on obstruction.  Pretty clear.  

 

Again, your own words:  "according to the AG and deputy AG, no obstruction"

And the fact that Mueller did not make a recommendation on obstruction does not mean that it didn't happen, just that they thought there was not enough evidence to get a conviction.  It's clear from the subsequent reporting that they agonized over the decision over months and months. Notable that it took Barr only a few hours to reach his conclusion.  Also notable that Trump appointed Barr, someone who was on record as agreeing with Trump that the investigation was unwarranted.

Bottom line is that the full report needs to be seen by the world so that context can be applied.  

Also important to see the results of investigations by the Southern District of NY and other prosecutors.  And whatever the results of these investigations, they don't change the fact that Trump is manifestly unfit to the President for dozens of reasons.  Here's just one, on which he scores 9 out of 9, Narcissistic Personality Disorder:

According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).

1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.

2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.

4 Needing constant admiration from others.

5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.

6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.

7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.

8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.

9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor

He, the President, is certainly a unique individual...indeed maybe a narcissist.  But so what...that is what is needed at this time of insanity on the left.  Keep reaching for collusion, obstruction and what’s in the report.  It’s a total set up.  Let’s wait and learn how this all started.

Want transperancy...hope Trump makes public all of the information relating to FISA warrants and the like.  We have some interesting times ahead.

Where’s W&A and Purple....they are not taking the Mueller report too well?

N napacatMember
mneeley490 posted:

"WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday blocked an effort by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously pass a non-binding measure expressing that Congress wants Robert Mueller’s report outlining the results of his Russia investigation be made public."

Let the CYA begin.

Oh Christ...get real.  Do any of you people listen to actual facts and law or just nonsense.

N napacatMember
bman posted:
thistlintom posted:

Oh, Trump certainly has his issues, no doubt about that.  But the way some people have acted since he got elected, shows that they have issues too. There is a lot of mourning from many since the report has come out, obviously deeply disappointed that he did not collude with Russia when they should be glad that something like this did not happen.

I for one am glad that neither he nor his campaign were found to collude with Russia.  But that doesn't mean that Trump's not utterly unfit to be President, and not just because of his obvious mental health issues, though those would appear to be the cause of his unfitness. 

Nor do I think the 4 page summary presented by his new AG (on record as considering the investigation bogus, in his 19 page unsolicited memo on the matter) should be the last word.  Those parts of the report which can legally be made public, which I am guessing will be almost all of it, should be made public.  It is not a matter of Trump-hating, it is simply too important a question to leave to a 4 page memo obviously prepared in haste.  It's too bad that there isn't a clearly impartial body to oversee that - the cost of a politically appointed public service

I’ll agree with most of this...they should make public exactly what the laws allow them to.

bmanbmanMember
napacat posted:
bman posted:
thistlintom posted:

Oh, Trump certainly has his issues, no doubt about that.  But the way some people have acted since he got elected, shows that they have issues too. There is a lot of mourning from many since the report has come out, obviously deeply disappointed that he did not collude with Russia when they should be glad that something like this did not happen.

I for one am glad that neither he nor his campaign were found to collude with Russia.  But that doesn't mean that Trump's not utterly unfit to be President, and not just because of his obvious mental health issues, though those would appear to be the cause of his unfitness. 

Nor do I think the 4 page summary presented by his new AG (on record as considering the investigation bogus, in his 19 page unsolicited memo on the matter) should be the last word.  Those parts of the report which can legally be made public, which I am guessing will be almost all of it, should be made public.  It is not a matter of Trump-hating, it is simply too important a question to leave to a 4 page memo obviously prepared in haste.  It's too bad that there isn't a clearly impartial body to oversee that - the cost of a politically appointed public service

I’ll agree with most of this...they should make public exactly what the laws allow them to.

Hallelujah!  We agree on something!  

G g-manMember

Even if us tax payers made 10mm $ on the mueller investigation, i personally would still want to see the extent of russian interference.  

We should use such investigation to learn how foreign powers are trying to undermine our country and how we can protect current and future americans from falling victim.  It is money better well spent than say, protecting against a fabricated emergency.

Sides, Trump says he's exonerated, he's got nothing to hide, let the public understand all the ways that Russia isn't an ally.

N napacatMember
g-man posted:

Even if us tax payers made 10mm $ on the mueller investigation, i personally would still want to see the extent of russian interference.  

We should use such investigation to learn how foreign powers are trying to undermine our country and how we can protect current and future americans from falling victim.  It is money better well spent than say, protecting against a fabricated emergency.

Sides, Trump says he's exonerated, he's got nothing to hide, let the public understand all the ways that Russia isn't an ally.

Noting a lot of the interference began under the Obama admin  (as confessed to by Brennan) and they did absolutely nothing about it.

G g-manMember
napacat posted:
g-man posted:

Even if us tax payers made 10mm $ on the mueller investigation, i personally would still want to see the extent of russian interference.  

We should use such investigation to learn how foreign powers are trying to undermine our country and how we can protect current and future americans from falling victim.  It is money better well spent than say, protecting against a fabricated emergency.

Sides, Trump says he's exonerated, he's got nothing to hide, let the public understand all the ways that Russia isn't an ally.

Noting a lot of the interference began under the Obama admin  (as confessed to by Brennan) and they did absolutely nothing about it.

why does it matter if it's Obama or trump?  The only people that ever lose in this situation is the American public.  This probably happened under Eisenhower, or Reagan, who gives a shit?  Not sure why some "americans" are soo obsessed with a someone who's not even president anymore.  Trump is the current president, we caught something happening and he's done nothing but say that Russia is an ally and that Putin is a good friend.

Plain and simple, if he and mitch have nothing to worry about because supposedly nothing happened, then release the Mueller report for the american public to understand the depth of Russian interference.  I'd expect congress then to fund appropriate security measures to ensure the American voice is not drowned out nor manipulated by a foreign enemy.

mneeley490mneeley490Member
napacat posted:
mneeley490 posted:

"WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday blocked an effort by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously pass a non-binding measure expressing that Congress wants Robert Mueller’s report outlining the results of his Russia investigation be made public."

Let the CYA begin.

Oh Christ...get real.  Do any of you people listen to actual facts and law or just nonsense.

Dude, this was a straight copy & paste from the NBC news website.

I, myself, identify as a moderate Republican. I've been called a RINO by those on the lunatic fringe Right, which is just as bad as the lunatic fringe Left. The truth is, they are the true RINO's, as they've strayed miles outside the boundaries true fiscal conservationism. Speaking of "Random and Off Topic", let me share something with you that I wrote today on a news website, about Ronald Reagan:

"I miss Ronnie. His speech immediately after the Challenger disaster was the finest I've ever heard given. He took a heartbroken America, and stitched us back together. Being a dem or a GOP wasn't important in that moment. We were Americans first. And he gave us the resolve to stand up again, and move on."

That is something the talking yam and his blind followers could never even fathom.

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bmanbmanMember
mneeley490 posted:
napacat posted:
mneeley490 posted:

"WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday blocked an effort by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously pass a non-binding measure expressing that Congress wants Robert Mueller’s report outlining the results of his Russia investigation be made public."

Let the CYA begin.

Oh Christ...get real.  Do any of you people listen to actual facts and law or just nonsense.

Dude, this was a straight copy & paste from the NBC news website.

Bet he thinks NBC is fake news.....

bomba503bomba503Member
bman posted:
mneeley490 posted:
napacat posted:
mneeley490 posted:

"WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Monday blocked an effort by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to unanimously pass a non-binding measure expressing that Congress wants Robert Mueller’s report outlining the results of his Russia investigation be made public."

Let the CYA begin.

Oh Christ...get real.  Do any of you people listen to actual facts and law or just nonsense.

Dude, this was a straight copy & paste from the NBC news website.

Bet he thinks NBC is fake news.....

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

N napacatMember
thistlintom posted:

I think you are missing the full context of the report. The block by McConnell was for a full unredacted immediate release of the report.  That cannot be done for legal reasons, so the report must be reviewed and some parts must be redacted.  

Exactly...don't they just love to not report the full story.  McConnell is blocking the immediate release of the full report until it has been reviewed and determined what can be released within the confines of the law.  Nice try MNeeley and Bman....cut and paste the entire article.    And he just blocked the attempt again.  Good for him.  Oh...and NBC news is BS.  

bmanbmanMember
napacat posted:
thistlintom posted:

I think you are missing the full context of the report. The block by McConnell was for a full unredacted immediate release of the report.  That cannot be done for legal reasons, so the report must be reviewed and some parts must be redacted.  

.  Oh...and NBC news is BS.  

So where do you get your news?  

flwinoflwinoMember
bman posted:
napacat posted:
thistlintom posted:

I think you are missing the full context of the report. The block by McConnell was for a full unredacted immediate release of the report.  That cannot be done for legal reasons, so the report must be reviewed and some parts must be redacted.  

.  Oh...and NBC news is BS.  

So where do you get your news?  

Face Book, Pravda etc.

N napacatMember
bman posted:
napacat posted:
thistlintom posted:

I think you are missing the full context of the report. The block by McConnell was for a full unredacted immediate release of the report.  That cannot be done for legal reasons, so the report must be reviewed and some parts must be redacted.  

.  Oh...and NBC news is BS.  

So where do you get your news?  

Ok...I'll play.  NY Times and WSJ on the weekends, I watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC, a little BBC and PBS.

Facebook...who relies on FB for news?  This was all a giant scam.  How many of you actually thought there was collusion? And how many were hoping that it was true (that would be a sick bunch of people).  You were all lied to for years now...

pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
thistlintom posted:

It is unbelievable that the charges against Jussie Smollett were dropped.  And the jerk is still proclaiming his innocence.  The agreement should have made him admit to his role in the fake attack.

Not to mention his attorneys are preaching an alternate reality,  I really wish the legal profession didn’t allow such much leeway with what they can say about a case in public.  Calling him a victim, despite the lack of evidence of his version of events should get them disbarred.  

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