RIP...

Steve Ditko

Co-creator of Spider-Man with Stan Lee. Died at age 90 sometime last week. Found in his NYC apartment. May have been dead a few days. He was a true eccentric and a bit of a recluse. He fell out with Stan Lee because he never got the credit he deserved. But he was also a supremely talented and unique graphic artist. One of a kind.

His writing while always about food, was really about the greatness of being a city with so many varied countries' cuisine and peoples. This sentence, about his early time living in Korea Town explains it all:

“The neighborhood — the diversity of the neighborhood — may have been what drove me to write about food in the first place. Immediately before the riots there had been restaurants from 14 regions within a few minutes’ walk from my apartment. Not just the Korean, Mexican and Japanese places you might have expected, but restaurants from Sumatra, Thailand, Guatemala, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Holland, Colombia, Nicaragua, Japan and Peru among others — all coexisting, all more or less delicious. It’s one thing to decide whether you feel like burgers or pizza for dinner; another to choose between bangusempek-empek or brains masala.”

Amazingly he was also an assistant to artist Chris Burden during his dangerous performance art phase.

purplehaze posted:

Joel Robuchon.

PH

I’ve been to l'atelier in Paris a few times, London a few times and Vegas a few times and loved them all.  The first time in Paris left a real impression and my wife and I still talk about a few of the courses.  The mashed potatoes of course are legendary and worthy of the praise.  

Went to the 3 star in Vegas once and while still had a grand time always felt his best venue was L’atelier.  

RIP to a great talent that really changed the game.  

I don't know what all this talk is about Aretha. Could she wear leotard outfits like the great Bey? Could she swing from a wreaking ball like Miley? Could she do multiple costume changes, and rhyme "moon" and "boom", like Katy Perry? Could she wear outrageous costumes like Lady Gaga? No, all she could do is sing with a great voice and delivery, and in the early days shake her hips a little. What kind of talent is that?

theoldman posted:

I don't know what all this talk is about Aretha. Could she wear leotard outfits like the great Bey? Could she swing from a wreaking ball like Miley? Could she do multiple costume changes, and rhyme "moon" and "boom", like Katy Perry? Could she wear outrageous costumes like Lady Gaga? No, all she could do is sing with a great voice and delivery, and in the early days shake her hips a little. What kind of talent is that?

If they can still belt it out like this when they're 73, we can revisit the question, TOM!

PH

purplehaze posted:
theoldman posted:

I don't know what all this talk is about Aretha. Could she wear leotard outfits like the great Bey? Could she swing from a wreaking ball like Miley? Could she do multiple costume changes, and rhyme "moon" and "boom", like Katy Perry? Could she wear outrageous costumes like Lady Gaga? No, all she could do is sing with a great voice and delivery, and in the early days shake her hips a little. What kind of talent is that?

If they can still belt it out like this when they're 73, we can revisit the question, TOM!

PH

They can't belt it out now. 

theoldman posted:
purplehaze posted:
theoldman posted:

I don't know what all this talk is about Aretha. Could she wear leotard outfits like the great Bey? Could she swing from a wreaking ball like Miley? Could she do multiple costume changes, and rhyme "moon" and "boom", like Katy Perry? Could she wear outrageous costumes like Lady Gaga? No, all she could do is sing with a great voice and delivery, and in the early days shake her hips a little. What kind of talent is that?

If they can still belt it out like this when they're 73, we can revisit the question, TOM!

PH

They can't belt it out now. 

Certainly not like Aretha, or Gladys, or Ronstatd or .....

thistlintom posted:
theoldman posted:
purplehaze posted:
theoldman posted:

I don't know what all this talk is about Aretha. Could she wear leotard outfits like the great Bey? Could she swing from a wreaking ball like Miley? Could she do multiple costume changes, and rhyme "moon" and "boom", like Katy Perry? Could she wear outrageous costumes like Lady Gaga? No, all she could do is sing with a great voice and delivery, and in the early days shake her hips a little. What kind of talent is that?

If they can still belt it out like this when they're 73, we can revisit the question, TOM!

PH

They can't belt it out now. 

Certainly not like Aretha, or Gladys, or Ronstatd or .....

Not saying they're better than Aretha, but....

To discount Lady Gaga's singing talents because of her wardrobe is small minded.

Also, don't forget about Adele, who is a wonderful talent today. 

I've seen Pink live numerous times, strip away all the theatrics (which make for a great show) and she can belt it out. 

There are truly some great voices in today's music, if you don't get caught up in generational bias.

patespo1 posted:
thistlintom posted:
theoldman posted:
purplehaze posted:
theoldman posted:

I don't know what all this talk is about Aretha. Could she wear leotard outfits like the great Bey? Could she swing from a wreaking ball like Miley? Could she do multiple costume changes, and rhyme "moon" and "boom", like Katy Perry? Could she wear outrageous costumes like Lady Gaga? No, all she could do is sing with a great voice and delivery, and in the early days shake her hips a little. What kind of talent is that?

If they can still belt it out like this when they're 73, we can revisit the question, TOM!

PH

They can't belt it out now. 

Certainly not like Aretha, or Gladys, or Ronstatd or .....

Not saying they're better than Aretha, but....

To discount Lady Gaga's singing talents because of her wardrobe is small minded.

Also, don't forget about Adele, who is a wonderful talent today. 

I've seen Pink live numerous times, strip away all the theatrics (which make for a great show) and she can belt it out. 

There are truly some great voices in today's music, if you don't get caught up in generational bias.

Lest we not forget that Gaga is also a brilliant concert pianist. Was at NYU Tisch school of music before bailing when her career took off. Details details

patespo1 posted:
thistlintom posted:
theoldman posted:
purplehaze posted:
theoldman posted:

I don't know what all this talk is about Aretha. Could she wear leotard outfits like the great Bey? Could she swing from a wreaking ball like Miley? Could she do multiple costume changes, and rhyme "moon" and "boom", like Katy Perry? Could she wear outrageous costumes like Lady Gaga? No, all she could do is sing with a great voice and delivery, and in the early days shake her hips a little. What kind of talent is that?

If they can still belt it out like this when they're 73, we can revisit the question, TOM!

PH

They can't belt it out now. 

Certainly not like Aretha, or Gladys, or Ronstatd or .....

Not saying they're better than Aretha, but....

To discount Lady Gaga's singing talents because of her wardrobe is small minded.

Also, don't forget about Adele, who is a wonderful talent today. 

I've seen Pink live numerous times, strip away all the theatrics (which make for a great show) and she can belt it out. 

There are truly some great voices in today's music, if you don't get caught up in generational bias.

Don't forget Ella Fitzgerald who could blow any of them away on almost any day of her life. It was truly a great voice if you don't get caught up in thinking newer is better. Ella was better than Adele and certainly better than Lady Gaga. There is a best and she was it.

My only point in this conversation was Aretha's ability to perform incredibly over 60+ years.  There are many artists who have incredible talent who burn out quickly and never recover.  I look forward to hearing Gaga, Pink and others after a few decades of aging.

And Adele?  Overwrought and commercial.

Aretha was a fighter, and a truly an American icon.  RIP.

PH

Comparing Aretha to the performers of today, I think of the famous Nixon/Kennedy debate.  Those that watched on TV thought Kennedy had won. Those who only listened to them on the radio were sure that Nixon had won.  

Up until the advent of MTV, people generally only knew the performers by their voices on radio or record album. (Unless you tuned into the Ed Sullivan show.)  I think that if you were to compare only singer's voices, without looking at the showmanship or attire, you get a better grasp of their talent. I used to tell my daughter to look at the members of the bands. If most are fugly, then that means they got there on shear talent instead of pretty boy or girl looks that tend to rely on showbiz connections and studio magic. 

For everything sacred in our life. Please, no one mention the current POS in the Oval Office. 

America has lost an American hero. 

For whom the bells toll, it tolls for thee. R.IP. to a man that refused an early release from the Hanoi Hilton, and then received extraordinary torture for his heroic decision. 

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