Must be pretty traumatic for Eric Ripert - definitely blows. Good thing we are cutting funding for mental health -
I just watched Anthony Bourdain's meal with President Obama in Vietnam. How cool was that?
Then I read for the first time his 1999 Article that started his path to fame. I noted in particular these sentences: "People who order their meat well-done perform a valuable service for those of us in the business who are cost-conscious: they pay for the privilege of eating our garbage... the philistine who orders his food well-done is not likely to notice the difference between food and flotsam."
The man had a way with words that seem so relevant nineteen years later.
jcocktosten posted:Must be pretty traumatic for Eric Ripert - definitely blows. Good thing we are cutting funding for mental health -
The orange man did that too?
He is too busy working to pardon Muhammad Ali, something the Supreme Court did in 1971.
Complete and total buffoon....
wineismylife posted:wineart 2 posted:Sunny, and to have one of your dearest and closest friends find you. It hurts deeply to think about.
One of my top five things in the world to do and to plan out is, having dinner with friends in cities no one at the table is from. You know Eric and Tony had dinner plans in a glorious city.
Plus he left an 11 year old daughter behind. Absolutely tragic on all levels.
Plus he left an 11 year old daughter ...
More than any other aspect of this sad event, this aspect saddens me the most.
Anyone who is mentally "healthy." would consider the trauma to someone so young and so close. He had to be in a very bad place to do this. RIP.
PH
wineart 2 posted:He is too busy working to pardon Muhammad Ali, something the Supreme Court did in 1971.
Complete and total buffoon....
A distinction, and an important one...
He wasn't pardoned. His conviction was overturned. There's a big difference between being forgiven and being innocent.
PH
jcocktosten posted:Must be pretty traumatic for Eric Ripert - definitely blows. Good thing we are cutting funding for mental health -
Highly doubt it was a lack of public funding that precluded Bourdain from seeking help for his illness. More likely the macho restaurant culture and the general perception that guy's need to "man up" and deal with things on their own.
csm posted:jcocktosten posted:Must be pretty traumatic for Eric Ripert - definitely blows. Good thing we are cutting funding for mental health -
Highly doubt it was a lack of public funding that precluded Bourdain from seeking help for his illness. More likely the macho restaurant culture and the general perception that guy's need to "man up" and deal with things on their own.
I'm pretty sure jc meant this in a much broader sense. And I agree with his sentiment.
PH
People on these forums; people at your workplace; people living next door to you; your closest friends; and people within your families are dealing with this terrible disease.
Reach out to someone, today, and connect.
purplehaze posted:csm posted:jcocktosten posted:Must be pretty traumatic for Eric Ripert - definitely blows. Good thing we are cutting funding for mental health -
Highly doubt it was a lack of public funding that precluded Bourdain from seeking help for his illness. More likely the macho restaurant culture and the general perception that guy's need to "man up" and deal with things on their own.
I'm pretty sure jc meant this in a much broader sense. And I agree with his sentiment.
PH
Agreed, but my point was that additional resources, while helpful, will be something of a band-aid. Culture needs to change and for it to be okay to seek help if you need it, especially among men.
csm posted:purplehaze posted:csm posted:jcocktosten posted:Must be pretty traumatic for Eric Ripert - definitely blows. Good thing we are cutting funding for mental health -
Highly doubt it was a lack of public funding that precluded Bourdain from seeking help for his illness. More likely the macho restaurant culture and the general perception that guy's need to "man up" and deal with things on their own.
I'm pretty sure jc meant this in a much broader sense. And I agree with his sentiment.
PH
Agreed, but my point was that additional resources, while helpful, will be something of a band-aid. Culture needs to change and for it to be okay to seek help if you need it, especially among men.
I think we're on the same page here, csm. But for culture to change, resources can't hurt. And gig's advice to personally reach out and get involved is valid as well. Between additional awareness and personal involvement with people we know, perhaps we can put a small dent in this. And I speak with intimate personal knowledge of people suffering from depression.
PH
Depression is a horrible thing to deal with, especially if it is coupled with anxiety. Part of the problem is withdrawal which inhibits seeking help when needed. Also, many dealing with depression try to mask it and act normal. I believe that there are various forms of depression, and it affects people in different ways. For example, there can be more of a situational depression, caused by a reaction to something that has happened to the individual. In these instances, there may be immediate danger of suicide, but there also is a more likelihood of a quicker recovery from the instance. Other depressions, maybe due to physiological imbalances may be deeper and harder to overcome and require significant therapy and likely medications that may be required for a long time.
If one notices changes in behavior by a friend or someone you know, you can ask the person if they are having any problems, let them know you are there to support them if needed. But the biggest key is getting the person to seek help from a professional. Getting out of depression can be extremely difficult and may require professional help along with medications.
I feel a sense of grief beyond what I ought to feel given that I do not personally know him except through Parts Unknown and No Reservations series. Mr. Bourdain, I hope you find the peace that alluded you in this theater and you are now and forever in a better place. You are missed.
thistlintom posted:I believe that there are various forms of depression, and it affects people in different ways. For example, there can be more of a situational depression, caused by a reaction to something that has happened to the individual. In these instances, there may be immediate danger of suicide, but there also is a more likelihood of a quicker recovery from the instance.
One has to be very careful not to conflate sadness (even profound sadness) or "feeling depressed" with medical depression.
People who are not suffering from depression are highly unlikely to commit, or even consider suicide even in the face of profound tragedy. A lack of understanding of this disorder can lead to friends and loved ones just thinking that someone will "get over it," or "shake it off."
A good summary by the APA HERE...
PH
Like Stevey, this one really hit me. I think it may be that Anthony Bourdain seemed such in invincible bad-ass. Just goes to show that you have no idea what's going on inside someone.
PH
purplehaze posted:One has to be very careful not to conflate sadness (even profound sadness) or "feeling depressed" with medical depression.
People who are not suffering from depression are highly unlikely to commit, or even consider suicide even in the face of profound tragedy. A lack of understanding of this disorder can lead to friends and loved ones just thinking that someone will "get over it," or "shake it off."
PH
You are correct, there is a difference between sadness or grieving and depression. However, some people think that people with depression can just get over it and it is not that easy.
I have been sad and have had depression, there is a huge difference. Depression is a real force that is hard to combat, it distorts your thinking and affects one physically. If you know someone who you think may be suffering from depression, don't think or say that you can just get over it, recognize it is a serious issue and let them know you are there to help them, suggest that they talk with someone who is an expert and let them know that they can get through this with help.
I once ate a taco with Anthony... He is an amazing guy.
It's going to take a while addressing him in the past tense. 
captaincancun posted:I once ate a taco with Anthony... He is an amazing guy.
It's going to take a while addressing him in the past tense.
I'd love to raise a glass and talk with you about that. Well, anything, but we could start with that.
Regarding Anthony Bourdain..
A great piece from David Simon (The Wire, Treme etc.) was brought to my attention this morning. If you liked Bourdain, it's a must read.
PH
I'm still shaken by this. Not many people on the screen allow you to connect with them to the point of actually feeling you personally know them. RIP
On another note, my wife and I stayed in the hotel in Kayserberg less than 2 years ago where they found Bourdain. One of the best meals I've ever had.