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I remember well that day. Today's media would have annihilated JFK. The list is long: The Bay of Pigs fiasco, Vietnam involvement, Exner/ Giancana, Monroe along with many others, his anti-semitic father ("Democracy is Dead") who helped him get elected, appointing his brother AG although he had never argued or tried a case. IMHO, the media today would have had him impeached. Instead, they called it Camelot.

I remember well that day. Today's media would have annihilated JFK. The list is long: The Bay of Pigs fiasco, Vietnam involvement, Exner/ Giancana, Monroe along with many others, his anti-semitic father ("Democracy is Dead") who helped him get elected, appointing his brother AG although he had never argued or tried a case. IMHO, the media today would have had him impeached. Instead, they called it Camelot.

Blah, blah, blah, thanks for your critical "insights." I didn't know that the media impeaches presidents, I thought that was Congress. You sure are smart.

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Hi TOM - Thought you might be old enough to remember these "insights". Too bad they cast doubt on Camelot. By the way, go fuck yourself (again).

I remember Kennedy standing up to the USSR and getting the nuclear missiles out of cuba. I remember when presidents could speak in full grammatically correct sentences and actually told Parade Magazine what books they were reading. Casting doubt on Camelot, on no! I don't think that most Americans even know that it's the title of a popular, so-so movie of the time, let alone what it means in regard to Kennedy. (Unless you're given to watching CNN documentaries, which the great majority of the country does not.) In case you're not aware of it, the legacy of JFK has been pretty well dissected at this point. Your "insights" are common knowledge to educated people.

By the way, did I ever mention you can't spell arsenel4ever without starting with an arse?

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TOM - We need to find common ground (besides not agreeing with each other on politics) We are probably nearly of the same age, and we both know a little bit about history. We're both probably well read, and your encyclopedic movie knowledge is uncontested. I believe you live in Carlsbad. I grew up in Solana Beach where I lived for 25 years. High School in Encinitas; college in San Diego. Traded the ocean for the mountains around Tahoe. Bury the hatchet?

Buried.

I first moved to California from Chicago about thirty-three years ago and lived first in Carlsbad, then an apartment in Encinitas, then a house in La Costa (or as they like to say the best part of Carlsbad) then an apartment in Encinitas and now I'm in beautiful Vista without a vista, and in Grandview Terrace without a grand view. I think there was a view here about 50 years ago.

You live in a beautiful part of the state. I had to leave Solana Beach because my skin was becoming prune-like from all the time I spent on the beach. Today I'm helping my dermatologist pay off his house in Maui. My wife is from Naperville, IL and we go back every couple of years. Love going to Ravinia. Missed Beethoven's 9th this year when they cancelled the series. So it goes under Covid. Hope you and your family are safe.

You live in a beautiful part of the state. I had to leave Solana Beach because my skin was becoming prune-like from all the time I spent on the beach. Today I'm helping my dermatologist pay off his house in Maui. My wife is from Naperville, IL and we go back every couple of years. Love going to Ravinia. Missed Beethoven's 9th this year when they cancelled the series. So it goes under Covid. Hope you and your family are safe.

I was supposed to go back to visit my sister in Chicago in May--she lives a mile from Wrigley Field--but the pandemic cancelled that. If you still have relatives you visit in Naperville be sure to say hi to my pal billhike. He's not a such a bad guy either.

@italianwino posted:

His Hand of God goal in 1986 is a moment that is iconic and outrageous at the same time. It is hard to argue that he isn't the GOAT.

IW

I'd argue against that. He was a special player but imho there are two players currently still playing who are better than him. Yes, both Messi and Ronaldo have been part of stronger teams than Maradona was but their stats are way beyond what he did.

Paul Sarbanes— former senator for Maryland.  brilliant man , scrupulously honest.  Hard working son of Greek immigrants.  His parents owned a small restaurant.

He was a graduate of Princeton, a Rhodes Scholar, and then graduated from Harvard Law School.

A wonderful public servant. Age 87.

(His son, John Sarbanes, is one of 8 persons in Congress from Maryland now)

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