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doubled posted:

Just started Season 3 of Glitch.  I think I know what you mean TOM.  I’m losing sight of the plot lines.

If you are going to suspend disbelief, then I’d wish they’d spend more time exploring the premise of getting a second chance.   

It's what happened to the at first interesting Mr Robot. When the second season started all I could think is, what the hell is going on?

Francis123 posted:

So many posts abou Bosch that I decided to watch it. Thanks for sharing! After The Big Bang Theory finished, I can't find a good TV seriaes to watch. I hope Bosch will be also enjoyable.

Well... It's not a laugh riot, but it's excellent.

For silly English comedy in the Fawlty Towers vein look at the IT Crowd, which is probably closest to the Big Bang Theory, Toast of London - - totally insane. Also the American series What We Do  the Shadows. And perfect for Halloween the series Ash versus the Evil Dead. Even better if you're familiar with the three Evil Dead movies. All hail Bruce Campbell. No one does an evil spirit possessed hand better than him.

Season 2 of Jack Ryan released today.  Fun stuff so far.  For Clancy "purists," please be advised that this series bears very little resemblance to the books.  Other than having a lead character named Jack Ryan a CIA analyst turned into field operative, and Wendell Pierce doing a really good job again as senior CIA James Greer, there is little that overlaps.  I enjoyed Season 1 a good bit, and Season 2 looks likely not to disappoint.  Recommended.

PH

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

The Old Man posted:

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

I’m in the same boat. I agree with him on the strong majority of things. And that’s probably because he is usually interested in using knowable facts and objective logic. That makes his few anti-science stances that much more baffling. Some are fairly benign, but some are really dangerous; his anti-medical science stances chief among them. 

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winetarelli posted:
The Old Man posted:

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

I’m in the same boat. I agree with him on the strong majority of things. And that’s probably because he is usually interested in using knowable facts and objective logic. That makes his few anti-science stances that much more baffling. Some are fairly benign, but some are really dangerous; his anti-medical science stances chief among them. 

I just tried to watch the opening interview on Maher’s show. I had to fast forward through a bit I was so enraged.  “We don’t know 100% about the human body so we should discount the things 99.8% of medical scientists say we do know.” Wow.

As a complete aside, I’m on the spectrum; though, obviously on the milder end of it.  I’ve struggled with it in my life, but I definitely prefer it to having polio.*

And as a further aside, given that we already know that psychiatric and learning disabilities are genetic and largely hereditary; what doctor looks at seven kids from the same family, four of whom have autism, and concludes that vaccines are the problem?  

*I acknowledge that my learning disabilities and emotional disorders do not compare to some more afflicted. Something I do feel the need to point out. 

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In addition, study after study shows no link between autism and vaccines.

FWIW one of the big logical fallacies for Maher's rant is the use of "The Argument from Ignorance (also, Argumentum ad Ignorantiam): The fallacy that since we don’t know (or can never know, or cannot prove) whether a claim is true or false, it must be false, or it must be true."

Yep. As an aside, one my most loathed fallacies is, “because we don’t know / can’t know 100%, therefore we cannot know anything at all.”  It is like the climate change deniers who claim that since we cannot predict the weather perfectly on the daily, we therefore cannot know that climate change is real. It is the logical recourse of people set in their dogmas who have decided to be impervious to advances in knowledge. And they couch their dogmatic thinking as open-mindedness. 

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The Old Man posted:

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

I have to admit that I have very mixed feelings about this. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I believe in science, and the scientific method. I get my flu shot every year. But back in 1993, I watched my baby son go from seemingly normal, healthy behavior, to exhibiting symptoms of autism, within days of getting his scheduled round of vaccinations. This was when the vaccines were heavily laced with a mercury preservative, thimerosal, and autism was a word I wasn't even familiar with. I don't think even most of the medical profession was familiar with it back then, either. They first told us that his sudden lack of interpersonal skills probably meant that he was deaf. When he finally was correctly diagnosed (it took nearly a year), they told us that he would probably never learn to speak or write, and that we should consider institutionalizing him. A three year-old. 

We pushed hard for him to be in regular school classes, even once having to hire a lawyer and threaten to sue the school district, because they weren't even fulfilling their state-mandated requirements for disabled children. Now he is 28, speaks and reads just fine, and plays all kinds of complicated video games on the internet that I don't understand. He doesn't have the ability to hold down a full day job, and is awkward in social situations, but other than that, he has come out of it very well.

I know all the studies that say that thimerosal wasn't the cause. They've since discontinued it. But it certainly depends on how much you trust Big Pharma, and who bankrolled those studies.

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MNEELEY490, I'm sorry for what happened to your son. There just is no evidence that autism is caused by vaccination, even with any of the now removed additives. Does this mean that vaccinations are 100% safe? Absolutely not. Any medical treatment has its side effects and some of them can be devastating. However, you can look all those up and weigh the statistics and data for yourself. But you will not find any mention of autism. This is the most recent study out of many:

Measles, Mumps, Rubella Vaccination and Autism: A Nationwide Cohort Study

The Old Man posted:
doubled posted:

Just started Season 3 of Glitch.  I think I know what you mean TOM.  I’m losing sight of the plot lines.

If you are going to suspend disbelief, then I’d wish they’d spend more time exploring the premise of getting a second chance.   

It's what happened to the at first interesting Mr Robot. When the second season started all I could think is, what the hell is going on?

But they ended the second season of Mr Robot pretty strongly, don't you think?

Cantaloop posted:
The Old Man posted:
doubled posted:

Just started Season 3 of Glitch.  I think I know what you mean TOM.  I’m losing sight of the plot lines.

If you are going to suspend disbelief, then I’d wish they’d spend more time exploring the premise of getting a second chance.   

It's what happened to the at first interesting Mr Robot. When the second season started all I could think is, what the hell is going on?

But they ended the second season of Mr Robot pretty strongly, don't you think?

I don't know if this was to me, but I couldn't make it. Some of these new-fangled programs are a little to much for me to keep up with.

The greatest show on televisions (as Squirrely Dan might say), and certainly the most juvenile, is from Canada. No, not the beloved Shitt's Creek, but the demented Letterkenny. Meth heads, hockey jocks, hick farmers who never farm, and Natives all speaking this strange vernacular which requires, at least for this American, subtitles on.

The Old Man posted:

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

I love Bill Maher...extremely funny.

The Old Man posted:

Currently the greatest show on TV is from Canada. No, not the sublime Schitt's Creek, but Letterkenny. My friend put it best, "It's simultaneously the stupidest thing I have ever seen and the most brilliant show I've seen in a long time." That's a "hard yes."

I think even if you're from Canada it requires subtitles to be on.

I might have to give it a look. Just watching the previews have made me cringe.

We recently finished watching Mad Men and liked it a lot. Now we started Peaky Blinders which is also excellent. Great soundtrack although it's probably going to ruin Red Right Hand for me.

steve8 posted:
The Old Man posted:

Currently the greatest show on TV is from Canada. No, not the sublime Schitt's Creek, but Letterkenny. My friend put it best, "It's simultaneously the stupidest thing I have ever seen and the most brilliant show I've seen in a long time." That's a "hard yes."

I think even if you're from Canada it requires subtitles to be on.

I might have to give it a look. Just watching the previews have made me cringe.

We recently finished watching Mad Men and liked it a lot. Now we started Peaky Blinders which is also excellent. Great soundtrack although it's probably going to ruin Red Right Hand for me.

I could not get through Peaky. Remember Letterkenny is also the stupidest show on television. Recommend Shitt's Creek perhaps first. (Break in gently into today's Canadian humor.)

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