I thought, after ten years, I'd take a swipe at trying to fix the original thread's title: "Reccomendations for TV Show's Thread." Besides the misspelling, the redundancy of "thread" always irked me.

Anyways Bosch is back and I'm so excited I'm actually holding back on watching so I can savor the moment of its opening credits in a day or two.

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I've written about the great Brit Marling many times before. After a number of very interesting independent movies she created the Netflix series, The OA. This month the second part was released after more than two years. As always with her work there's intelligent thought given to the world she, and her writing partner, create. However the ending of this series is perhaps one of the most audacious, and I think successful, ever attempted on a serial television show.

We're half way through Bosch S5 and I'd rate it slightly below the previous few seasons. Still extremely well done, though. Of all the seasons, this one most closely sticks to the plot from a single novel - although there have been some significant changes, particularly with the character of Honey Chandler. In the book the lawyer is Mickey Haller, not Chandler. But I suppose Matthew McConaughey wasn't available to play the part. 😂

A number of promising series coming up this year on HBO:

The Righteous Gemstones (Danny McBride & John Goodman)
Years and Years (Emma Thompson)
Catherine the Great (Helen Mirren)
His Dark Materials (Ruth Wilson)
Deadwood (YES! At last the series will get a proper conclusion)
Watchmen
Chernobyl

I hope everyone has seen the latest edition of Bryant Gumbel's Real Sports. Besides a breathtaking segment on photographers for extreme sports, another is about another annual contest between centuries long rivals Oxford and Cambridge--blind wine tasting.

In addition, the first segment on Detroit is just plain depressing.

There's a discussion on another thread where I think someone made a false equivalence between the actions of the US and of Russia (and other "bad" countries.) The US has done many wrong and underhanded things during its existence, but at least we mostly own up to them and they wind up in history books.

The new, HBO series Chernobyl shows how Russia dealt with the worst nuclear disaster in history. Though it is too fictionalized in its human drama stories, it displays all of Russia's techniques of bad government including; lying to the affected public, lying to the world, buck-passing, inefficient methods of decision-making and attempts to control media.

Highly recommended.

The Old Man posted:

There's a discussion on another thread where I think someone made a false equivalence between the actions of the US and of Russia (and other "bad" countries.) The US has done many wrong and underhanded things during its existence, but at least we mostly own up to them and they wind up in history books.

The new, HBO series Chernobyl shows how Russia dealt with the worst nuclear disaster in history. Though it is too fictionalized in its human drama stories, it displays all of Russia's techniques of bad government including; lying to the affected public, lying to the world, buck-passing, inefficient methods of decision-making and attempts to control media.

Highly recommended.

One thing that I noticed in the Amazon Prime series, Hanna, is that it was very Eurocentric in keeping with the movie. And the bad guys? They were the Americans. 

mneeley490 posted:
The Old Man posted:

There's a discussion on another thread where I think someone made a false equivalence between the actions of the US and of Russia (and other "bad" countries.) The US has done many wrong and underhanded things during its existence, but at least we mostly own up to them and they wind up in history books.

The new, HBO series Chernobyl shows how Russia dealt with the worst nuclear disaster in history. Though it is too fictionalized in its human drama stories, it displays all of Russia's techniques of bad government including; lying to the affected public, lying to the world, buck-passing, inefficient methods of decision-making and attempts to control media.

Highly recommended.

One thing that I noticed in the Amazon Prime series, Hanna, is that it was very Eurocentric in keeping with movie. And the bad guys? They were the Americans. 

And there's no doubt we sometimes are. The best "fictional" source are in a number of John Le Carre's stories. And yet we remain the shinning beacon for the rest of the world--let's hope we'll survive this demagogue.

bomba503 posted:

Watched first five episodes of Billions on my flight home. Hope it stays as good over the rest of the series

It does. If anything, it gets better in seasons 2 and 3. Currently watching season 4 and it's still excellent but lagging a little behind the previous 2 seasons.

sunnylea57 posted:
bomba503 posted:

Watched first five episodes of Billions on my flight home. Hope it stays as good over the rest of the series

It does. If anything, it gets better in seasons 2 and 3. Currently watching season 4 and it's still excellent but lagging a little behind the previous 2 seasons.

Thx, looking forward to it

This month's "Real Sports" on HBO.

Intro from Gumbel to the first piece, "The number of thoroughbreds in this country who are chewed up and spit out by the so-called 'Sport of KIngs' is surprising, alarming and flat out disgusting."

I hope all supporters of this legal "sport" give it a watch. Horse lives matter.

bomba503 posted:
sunnylea57 posted:
bomba503 posted:

Watched first five episodes of Billions on my flight home. Hope it stays as good over the rest of the series

It does. If anything, it gets better in seasons 2 and 3. Currently watching season 4 and it's still excellent but lagging a little behind the previous 2 seasons.

Thx, looking forward to it

Caught up. Time for a new episode

bomba503 posted:
bomba503 posted:
sunnylea57 posted:
bomba503 posted:

Watched first five episodes of Billions on my flight home. Hope it stays as good over the rest of the series

It does. If anything, it gets better in seasons 2 and 3. Currently watching season 4 and it's still excellent but lagging a little behind the previous 2 seasons.

Thx, looking forward to it

Caught up. Time for a new episode

😮 now that’s what I call serious binging. 

winetarelli posted:
jcocktosten posted:

Did anyone watch Good Omens?

Yes. Loved it. The best I can describe it is “high-brow mindless fun”.  Highly recommend in that unusual viewing genre space. 

Done - that is more than a good enough recommendation for me.  Will likely watch it later this summer when FKG is out of town and I am on my own

The Old Man posted:

Sad that Netflix cancelled The OA. You will never find a more audacious TV season ending than what occurred in its second season.

No tears here. OK the ending was a surprise, but not worth the cringing done during the scenes with the "movements". The concept was OK and it started out well. One season would have been enough.

steve8 posted:
The Old Man posted:

Sad that Netflix cancelled The OA. You will never find a more audacious TV season ending than what occurred in its second season.

No tears here. OK the ending was a surprise, but not worth the cringing done during the scenes with the "movements". The concept was OK and it started out well. One season would have been enough.

I  do recommend Brit Marling's movies, particularly The Sound of My Voice. Like the TV show none of them are perfect, but they are always interesting. Also no matter what you think of the movements--SPOILER ALERT--the weirdness certainly might stop a gunman for a moment or two which could be just enough time for someone to take action.

Also read her bio about a good looking blond who discovered that "Hollywood" was going to type-cast her as arm candy for the male leads. She instead decided to write and star in her unique science fiction tinged movies. Very brave.

purplehaze posted:

Chernobyl.  Holy smokes.

Powerful, depressing and uplifting at the same time and well worth a watch.

I avoided this for months, just because it seemed like a morbid subject.  It is.  

Recommended, but not for the squeamish or faint of heart.

PH

The bio-robot sequence, in the 4th episode, is some of the most riveting television I've ever seen. It's amazing how they took a clip of the real event, and instead of simply replicating it, they place you in it.

The Old Man posted:

The bio-robot sequence, in the 4th episode, is some of the most riveting television I've ever seen. It's amazing how they took a clip of the real event, and instead of simply replicating it, they place you in it.

It was very intense. Glad to see Jared Harris and Stellan Skarsgård get Emmy nominations.  I thought they were both very good.  Skarsgård's transition from ignorant apparatchik to something resembling a human being was fun to watch.

PH

purplehaze posted:
The Old Man posted:

The bio-robot sequence, in the 4th episode, is some of the most riveting television I've ever seen. It's amazing how they took a clip of the real event, and instead of simply replicating it, they place you in it.

It was very intense. Glad to see Jared Harris and Stellan Skarsgård get Emmy nominations.  I thought they were both very good.  Skarsgård's transition from ignorant apparatchik to something resembling a human being was fun to watch.

PH

Always liked Harris since the great, pretty unknown, I Shot Andy Warhol.

sunnylea57 posted:

Finished "The Loudest Voice". I thought it was well done with a solid performance by Crowe, but any story about Roger Ailes is also a story about the rise of Fox News... and seven hour of that story is really effing depressing.

Just couldn't bring myself to watch it in the same way I didn't watch the movie about the great satan, Vice.

glennk posted:

Just finished the first 2 episodes of After Life on Netflix.   Haven't laughed that hard in a long time.  Gervais mixing hilarious moments with sensitive ones.  Looking forward to the rest.

Good series.  Finished well.  Looking forward to S2.

PH

Sticks and Stones

Dave Chappelle’s new Netflix special; premiered yesterday.

Oh. My. G-d.  

Only one person alive could tell those jokes and not need to go into the witness relocation program.  I may have cringed once or thrice, but most of it was so, so funny.  And even if I cringed a couple of times, the irreverence was a much needed huge breath of fresh air.

Let the credits run to 00:00 and then there is a 20+ minute epilogue. 

(You should probably skip this whole thing if you are easily offended.  Duh.)

A big +1 on the new Chappelle.  If you don't wince, the comedian isn't pushing the edge.  Dave pushes the edge like no one else in modern comedy.  Brilliant.

One of my favorite lines:

No matter what they say or how they make you feel, remember, this is your country, too,  It is incumbent upon us to save our country. And you know what we have to do. Every able-bodied African-American must register,,, for a legal firearm. That’s the only way they’ll change the law.

PH

Finished Escape at Dannemora (yes, we're kinda slow). All four principal actors gave fantastic performances (Patricia Arquette, Paul Dano, Benicio Del Toro and David Morse), the story was compelling, and Ben Stiller's direction was solid and cinematic.

Arquette deserves whatever awards she wins (and has already won).

I see the necessity for the penultimate episode ("if you were rooting for these guys, here's why you shouldn't") and I understand the reason for inserting where they did, but it did disrupt the flow of the story.

A show I'd like to watch but can't is The First about go people to Mars. It's has Natascha McElhone, who was so great in Californication but for me I go straight to the 2002 remake of Solaris. The problem is the lead is Sean Penn and I just can't stand the guy. I don't think I feel that way about any other actor.

On other other hand I started watching Killing Eve and all I can say is--wow. Also it's obvious, after only three episodes, why  Jody Comer won an Emmy award in an unfortunate match up with the great Sandra Oh. It's so over the top, yet Comer's psycho killer can cause a chill with just the look in her eyes.

Californication was almost certainly loosely based on the life of my college best friend and roomate. He became friends with an actress who ended up dating David Duchovny. She told him all about our friend and that he should do a show about him. Years later she bumped into DD and when she asked him his response was, stop talking to me, I cant talk to you about that, you'll sue me. If you knew my friend the parallels are uncanny outside of the drug/alcohol addictions which he did not have

purplehaze posted:

Just started in on Season 3 of Goliath.  I'm three episodes and and frankly don't know what to think.  It's definitely a lot weirder and whimsical than previous seasons.  

PH

I haven't started it yet. But I loved much of the first two seasons, but it sounds like it's problem of over the top bad guys (last season the bad guy was worse than the Joker) it continuing. It would be much better if it took the Bosch approach with more realism.

purplehaze posted:
The Old Man posted:
It would be much better if it took the Bosch approach with more realism.

Heh.  I'm halfway through E5, and "realism" isn't a word I'd consider using for most of the season so far.  

PH

Man I keep hesitating to press play on this one.

purplehaze posted:

El Camino.  Netflix.  You will probably have problems accessing it.  A wee bit of high demand.  Do not be deterred.  A must watch, if you're a Breaking Bad fan.  If not... never mind.

PH

Just watched it.  I agree.  I do miss Bryan Cranston’s character though.  

doubled posted:
purplehaze posted:

El Camino.  Netflix.  You will probably have problems accessing it.  A wee bit of high demand.  Do not be deterred.  A must watch, if you're a Breaking Bad fan.  If not... never mind.

PH

Just watched it.  I agree.  I do miss Bryan Cranston’s character though.  

Agree... but he's dead!  I appreciated Aaron Paul's characterization of Jesse Pinkman even more after watching this.  

PH

doubled posted:

Aaron Paul did a great job.  He didn't miss a beat.

Another series I just started is Glitch.  First 6 episodes have been great.  Highly recommend.   Reminds me of Lost if I were to try to categorize it.

I like the show too, but good luck understanding season three.

doubled posted:

Just started Season 3 of Glitch.  I think I know what you mean TOM.  I’m losing sight of the plot lines.

If you are going to suspend disbelief, then I’d wish they’d spend more time exploring the premise of getting a second chance.   

It's what happened to the at first interesting Mr Robot. When the second season started all I could think is, what the hell is going on?

Francis123 posted:

So many posts abou Bosch that I decided to watch it. Thanks for sharing! After The Big Bang Theory finished, I can't find a good TV seriaes to watch. I hope Bosch will be also enjoyable.

Well... It's not a laugh riot, but it's excellent.

For silly English comedy in the Fawlty Towers vein look at the IT Crowd, which is probably closest to the Big Bang Theory, Toast of London - - totally insane. Also the American series What We Do  the Shadows. And perfect for Halloween the series Ash versus the Evil Dead. Even better if you're familiar with the three Evil Dead movies. All hail Bruce Campbell. No one does an evil spirit possessed hand better than him.

Season 2 of Jack Ryan released today.  Fun stuff so far.  For Clancy "purists," please be advised that this series bears very little resemblance to the books.  Other than having a lead character named Jack Ryan a CIA analyst turned into field operative, and Wendell Pierce doing a really good job again as senior CIA James Greer, there is little that overlaps.  I enjoyed Season 1 a good bit, and Season 2 looks likely not to disappoint.  Recommended.

PH

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

The Old Man posted:

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

I’m in the same boat. I agree with him on the strong majority of things. And that’s probably because he is usually interested in using knowable facts and objective logic. That makes his few anti-science stances that much more baffling. Some are fairly benign, but some are really dangerous; his anti-medical science stances chief among them. 

winetarelli posted:
The Old Man posted:

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

I’m in the same boat. I agree with him on the strong majority of things. And that’s probably because he is usually interested in using knowable facts and objective logic. That makes his few anti-science stances that much more baffling. Some are fairly benign, but some are really dangerous; his anti-medical science stances chief among them. 

I just tried to watch the opening interview on Maher’s show. I had to fast forward through a bit I was so enraged.  “We don’t know 100% about the human body so we should discount the things 99.8% of medical scientists say we do know.” Wow.

As a complete aside, I’m on the spectrum; though, obviously on the milder end of it.  I’ve struggled with it in my life, but I definitely prefer it to having polio.*

And as a further aside, given that we already know that psychiatric and learning disabilities are genetic and largely hereditary; what doctor looks at seven kids from the same family, four of whom have autism, and concludes that vaccines are the problem?  

*I acknowledge that my learning disabilities and emotional disorders do not compare to some more afflicted. Something I do feel the need to point out. 

In addition, study after study shows no link between autism and vaccines.

FWIW one of the big logical fallacies for Maher's rant is the use of "The Argument from Ignorance (also, Argumentum ad Ignorantiam): The fallacy that since we don’t know (or can never know, or cannot prove) whether a claim is true or false, it must be false, or it must be true."

Yep. As an aside, one my most loathed fallacies is, “because we don’t know / can’t know 100%, therefore we cannot know anything at all.”  It is like the climate change deniers who claim that since we cannot predict the weather perfectly on the daily, we therefore cannot know that climate change is real. It is the logical recourse of people set in their dogmas who have decided to be impervious to advances in knowledge. And they couch their dogmatic thinking as open-mindedness. 

purplehaze posted:

Three episodes into Watchmen on Prime.  I'm liking this a good bit more than I expected to.  

PH

Good to know. I have the first three episodes on my DVR, haven’t watched yet. 

FWIW, also and unrelatedly, I found The Deuce season 3 to be a complete letdown. 

The Old Man posted:

I like Bill Maher. There are a few things about him I don't like. One is his anti-science, anti-modern medicine views. Today, in his opening interview, he outed himself as an anti-vaxxer. If anyone has children in high school or college who'd like to do a report on logical fallacies, his comments could fill pages. You'd could fill a couple of pages just on his numerous straw-man arguments.

Now I'm clutching my pearls at the horror of it.

I have to admit that I have very mixed feelings about this. I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I believe in science, and the scientific method. I get my flu shot every year. But back in 1993, I watched my baby son go from seemingly normal, healthy behavior, to exhibiting symptoms of autism, within days of getting his scheduled round of vaccinations. This was when the vaccines were heavily laced with a mercury preservative, thimerosal, and autism was a word I wasn't even familiar with. I don't think even most of the medical profession was familiar with it back then, either. They first told us that his sudden lack of interpersonal skills probably meant that he was deaf. When he finally was correctly diagnosed (it took nearly a year), they told us that he would probably never learn to speak or write, and that we should consider institutionalizing him. A three year-old. 

We pushed hard for him to be in regular school classes, even once having to hire a lawyer and threaten to sue the school district, because they weren't even fulfilling their state-mandated requirements for disabled children. Now he is 28, speaks and reads just fine, and plays all kinds of complicated video games on the internet that I don't understand. He doesn't have the ability to hold down a full day job, and is awkward in social situations, but other than that, he has come out of it very well.

I know all the studies that say that thimerosal wasn't the cause. They've since discontinued it. But it certainly depends on how much you trust Big Pharma, and who bankrolled those studies.

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