So I ate a a very nice restaurant in Houston and drank 2006 Faust cabernet. I really enjoyed the wine and looked it up on Wine Spectator. To my surprise it was rated an 80 with the following notes: Dry, with savory herb, dried currant and berry fruit, this is ultimately hollow midpalate, ending with stale mineral, sage and loamy earth flavors.

How can this be? I don't think my palate is way off and everyone else at dinner enjoyed the wine ( over $100 per bottle at the restaurant)
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
So I ate a a very nice restaurant in Houston and drank 2006 Faust cabernet. I really enjoyed the wine and looked it up on Wine Spectator. To my surprise it was rated an 80 with the following notes: Dry, with savory herb, dried currant and berry fruit, this is ultimately hollow midpalate, ending with stale mineral, sage and loamy earth flavors.

How can this be? I don't think my palate is way off and everyone else at dinner enjoyed the wine ( over $100 per bottle at the restaurant)
Tasting a glass of wine in a flight of 20 vs. enjoying a bottle over dinner can yield some very different experiences.
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
So I ate a a very nice restaurant in Houston and drank 2006 Faust cabernet. I really enjoyed the wine and looked it up on Wine Spectator. To my surprise it was rated an 80 with the following notes: Dry, with savory herb, dried currant and berry fruit, this is ultimately hollow midpalate, ending with stale mineral, sage and loamy earth flavors.

How can this be? I don't think my palate is way off and everyone else at dinner enjoyed the wine ( over $100 per bottle at the restaurant)



Never forget, you did not drink the same bottle that was reviewed. Also, 80 points is considered a good wine under the WS point scale. ( and people ask why I hate point systems Smile)

I'm confused what the over $100 price has to do with anything. A $30 wine (wholesale) does not guarantee anything, does it?

TT, if the bottle was showing well to you, that is all that really matters.
Funny - I've wondered the same thing about that very wine as well. At a business dinner I ordered 2005 Faust for the table and everyone was pretty impressed - and I thought it was an above average wine.

Sure Quintessa/Huneeus have been the object of derision due to what I'm sure could be called lackluster (if not down right poor) QPR, but I've personally enjoyed what I've had from them.
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Originally posted by ElToro:
Funny - I've wondered the same thing about that very wine as well. At a business dinner I ordered 2005 Faust for the table and everyone was pretty impressed - and I thought it was an above average wine.



What did WS rate the 2005?
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I'm confused what the over $100 price has to do with anything. A $30 wine (wholesale) does not guarantee anything, does it?

TT, if the bottle was showing well to you, that is all that really matters.


W+A

I only pointed out the price to show that it wasn't a cheap wine.

And you're right about what it showed to me is what matters. It was just odd that the wine I had showed very well to me and more so than wines rated in the 90 point range.

Thanks

The WS online doesn't show a rating for the 2005 Faust
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
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I'm confused what the over $100 price has to do with anything. A $30 wine (wholesale) does not guarantee anything, does it?

TT, if the bottle was showing well to you, that is all that really matters.


W+A

I only pointed out the price to show that it wasn't a cheap wine.

And you're right about what it showed to me is what matters. It was just odd that the wine I had showed very well to me and more so than wines rated in the 90 point range.

Thanks

The WS online doesn't show a rating for the 2005 Faust


TT, you should join us for an off-line in Houston. We have one every month.
Put all the good answers given into play, and it is easy to see how ratings can differ.

1. Laube is known to favor wines that drink well young.

2. An austere wine can open up with the right food combination.

3. Bottle variation is possible.

I looked on Cellar Tracker, and the impressions of this wine varied from "fruit bomb" to "dry with heavy tannins, needs more time". Numbers vary from 70 to 92, with 24 reviews.

All in all, though, the '06 Faust is ranked significantly lower than other vintages both by Laube and CT posters.

Since you enjoyed the wine, none of the above really matters.
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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Also, 80 points is considered a good wine under the WS point scale. ( and people ask why I hate point systems Smile)


Well, it is a "B minus" after all, and that is "good". Wink


Hey... there are some of us on this fine forum that received a degree via the grading curve. Razz
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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Also, 80 points is considered a good wine under the WS point scale.


Well, it is a "B minus" after all, and that is "good". Wink


In my scoring system, it doesn't take many points under a 90 for me to consider it "undrinkable". Wink

Similar to grading scales......anything under 90 is "unacceptable". Smile
I had the same reaction after drinking the Ghost Block 2006 (regular release), and then checking Laube's rating and tasting note. The Ghost Block 2006 was one of my favorite Napa Cabs last year, and I bought a bunch for my cellar. Then again, my preferred style of wine is different than Laube's. The question is: Do Jim's ratings subjectively reflect his preferred style? Or do they objectively reflect a wine's quality?
So you're telling me there's a correlation between price and quality? Well, I guess that $1000 bottle of Lafite should really be sublime!

IMO, it's all about profit! There have been so many new collectors entering the marketplace over the last 15 years, buying anything and everything that's on the shelf with a fancy name, label, and bottle, that the profits were rolling in. Now, people are questioning, and that high end marketplace is saturated.

Buy what you enjoy drinking, take a bottle to your restaurant instead of buying off the wine list, but when you must, only buy a wine you know personally. Don't take a restaurants recommendation, unless you are familiar with the wine.
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Originally posted by NY Retailer:
I drank the wine last year, at a restaurant, and while it was good, it was hardly amazing.

80 points? I have no idea what that means.

It was drinkable, but hardly memorable for me.


If you had it in the Kittle House, it would have gotten 5 more points....
Wink

ThistlinTom: That's why anyone who's anyone has the 'Laube in Your Soup' ap on their IPhone.....

You'll never enjoy a low scoring wine again!
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Originally posted by Gundam:
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Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
How can this be?

James Laube


EXACTLY what I was thinking! I've enjoyed a few CA Cabs that JL scored in the low 80's. Same with Zin: if JL says something along the lines of "earthy, austere, sage, 82 points" then I know I will probably like it. Laube IS CONSISTENT in this regard, so I ultimately do find his reviews helpful.

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