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Originally posted by TBird:
it has more to do with being a dem than being 718, yo. Roll Eyes Razz


nah...its just a dumbsh$t tying to make a name for himself.
Yet another extremist in Washington wasting time and spending tax dollars on an issue that only garners absolutely nothing but attention and debate.

If they were truly serious and wanted to begin down the 'right path' with 'giant steps', it would be to strictly limit salt content in Swanson tv-dinners and most anything made by the umpteen processed & frozen food companies.

But, then again, that puts you up against all those very scary lobbyists. Better to just dance around the perimeter and attempt to look like you're doing something for your constituents.
(insert vomiting emoticon here)
I'm not so quick to condemn the intentions. We do eat (myself included) far too much salt. Food without salt just doesn't taste as good, but the addiction to salty snacks has its consequences. I'd hate to see it legislated.
I don't argue that much of Western civilization uses detrimental levels of salt in their foods. Absolutely.

The issue, IMO, is pushing the recourse past the limit of common sense. That of legislating complete elimination. Thus bringing attention to the issue, but ensuring that it sandbars immediately without action.

Absurd.
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Originally posted by KSC02:
Yet another extremist in Washington wasting time and spending tax dollars on an issue that only garners absolutely nothing but attention and debate.


(insert vomiting emoticon here)

Article says this is a state assemblyman. Nothing to do with D.C., so don't give them any ideas! Wink
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Originally posted by mneeley490:
Article says this is a state assemblyman. Nothing to do with D.C., so don't give them any ideas! Wink

I stand corrected on that detail Big Grin
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Originally posted by Board-O:
I'm not so quick to condemn the intentions. We do eat (myself included) far too much salt. Food without salt just doesn't taste as good, but the addiction to salty snacks has its consequences. I'd hate to see it legislated.


I agree again with Board-O(note to self: not good. Cool)

Salt is okay in finite proportions and yes it tastes great. But there are no health benefits of salt(unless you have low blood pressure) and is one of the worst spices one can add to food.

Don't get me wrong. Ortiz is a complete tool and a clown to even suggest banning it but he is highlighting an important issue(albeit in poor fashion). Even in "health food" stores, I am shocked to see so much vegan/vegetarian/health products stuffed with salt. Kinda ironic, if you ask me.
this is another way to increase revenue for our state that is already looking at floating bonds to save our day to day operations. Ortiz should bury his head in the sand and not come out until after the governor leaves.
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Originally posted by Mimik:


Salt is okay in finite proportions and yes it tastes great. But there are no health benefits of salt(unless you have low blood pressure) and is one of the worst spices one can add to food.



you realize that without sodium,
your nerves/muscles and the body's water content would either not work, or be completely out of whack.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Mimik:


Salt is okay in finite proportions and yes it tastes great. But there are no health benefits of salt(unless you have low blood pressure) and is one of the worst spices one can add to food.



you realize that without sodium,
your nerves/muscles and the body's water content would either not work, or be completely out of whack.


Just like sugar, there is enough "natural" salt in regular unsalted food to keep our bodies functioning healthily.
That would depend on what you eat, you could very well need additional salt. Too much salt is almost never a problem, your body with proper hydration will self regulate as needed. Too little, as g-man said, is a major problem. It is nothing like sugar, which you do not need at all.
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Originally posted by Vt2It:
That would depend on what you eat, you could very well need additional salt. Too much salt is almost never a problem, your body with proper hydration will self regulate as needed. Too little, as g-man said, is a major problem. It is nothing like sugar, which you do not need at all.


Really? I can't imagine that is true for people who suffer from high blood pressure or who want to avoid having high blood pressure problems in the future.

I like salt in my food. But any medical doctor will tell you it is not healthy.
Many things can be a problem for people with medical issues, I'm talking about healthy people. Ask any of your medical doctors which is worse, too much salt which may cause problems over years, or too little which can kill you in a matter of hours.
From the 2010 CHEP hypertension guidelines:

"Reducing Dietary sodium to prevent and treat hypertension.
Given the linear association between sodium intake and blood pressure and the proven
benefits of low sodium diets, CHEP now recommends adults adhere to the government
recommended adequate intake (AI) levels of sodium (Table 5) (19). In the United States high
dietary sodium is estimated to be the 7th leading risk for death (22). A new trial of sodium
restriction reported a reduction in blood pressure of 22/9 mmHg in patients with blood
pressure above 140/90 mmHg while on three antihypertensive drugs who reduced sodium
intake to 1060 mg/day from 5796 mg/day (23). Advice on how to reduce sodium intake is
available in Table 6 and patients can obtain more detailed information at
www.lowersodium.ca or www.sodium101.ca. Health Canada will produce additional
information for the public and patients in 2010."

Sorry I could not link the tables. What table 5 shows is the recommended daily sodium intakes for four age groups. The first number is what we actually require and the second number is the upper limit of daily salt intake:

Age 19-30: 1500 mg/2300 mg
Age 31-50: 1500 mg/2300 mg
Age 51-70: 1300 mg/2300 mg
Age over 70: 1200 mg/2300 mg

Also check out this from the Canadian Heart and Stroke Foundation
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Didn't NYC make it illegal to serve transfats in restaurants a few years ago? Salt can't be far off. You guys got the momentum going.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Possibly, but trans fats are extremely bad for people. They should be eliminated completely.


+ 1

On the slat note I try to buy low sodium foods. Virtually never add salt to any food at table, Only thing I do salt is an egg. Also try to avoid many of the processed snack foods. High fats and high salt.

As for the labels that show content,I hate it when looking at cereal boxes the serving size ranges from 1/2 cup to 1 cup. They should be forced to all have the same unit of measure so a consumer can ascertain what they are eating without having to use a calculator in the store to figure out what is best.
Good discussion, several good points.

KSCO2- agree, there should be and there is now a greater focus on frozen/processed/snack foods for sodium reduction; big trend in the food industry right now on this. However, banning salt use entirely in restaurants is 'exceeding common sense' boundaries and I couldn't agree with you more!

Vt2It- also raises a good point and that is to not confuse the 'healthy' adult with those with higher risk for CVD and/or hypertension.

Many of the population studies and clinical trials are conducted with individuals who are at risk or have been diagnosed with hypertension. Family medical history, lifestyle factors (smoking, alcohol, diet, exercise), weight, etc...have long been studied and correlated as risk factors for hypertension alond with sodium intake. What I haven't seen or am aware of are any studies that have been done with 'healthy individuals' with no known risk factors or history of hypertension that have to do with reduced sodium intake as a measure for preventing hypertension. However, there is another interesting phenomena that is being studiend; the salt-sensitive individual. Some studies have shown that some 'healthy' adults with no history of hypertension have an accute reaction to sodium intake where there blood pressure elevates after ingesting a high sodium snack/meal. These individuals have an immediate spike in their blood pressure which shortly returns to normal as the body self regulates; quite interesting.

Board-O- agree that trans fats are extremely bad and should be eliminated completely. Trans-fats were designed to reduce the need to use saturated fats in foods while maintaining the desirable texture and mouthfeel that sat fats provided. Industry has done well to address this, and we're better off without them. But apples and oranges comparing trans-fats and salt at this point, more research is needed.

I do agree that sodium reduction is necessary, but not to the degree which is stated at hand. I would be in favor of restaurants having to list sodium content in menu items to better inform the consumer. At that point, let the consumer make an educated decision based on their individual health concerns on whether or not they need to avoid a certain food.

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