Notre Dame cathedral in Paris has a devastating fire, one of the spires collapsed from the flames.  Hard to tell how much damage is being done to it but it looks pretty bad.  It was undergoing a renovation at the time.

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thistlintom posted:

Notre Dame cathedral in Paris has a devastating fire, one of the spires collapsed from the flames.  Hard to tell how much damage is being done to it but it looks pretty bad.  It was undergoing a renovation at the time.

Wow.  That is horrible. Such an icon in one of my most beloved cities. Hopefully everyone is ok. Hopefully they will choose to restore it — and enough will be left that it will still retain its historic splendor. 

Given all that’s been going on over there the past 18 months or so, I wonder if any indication of arson will emerge. 

Too early to speculate about foul play.  The NY Times article I was reading said that the Cathedral was undergoing extensive renovations.   A major bummer nonetheless.

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terribly sad.  The structure was completed in 1345.  That is about 675 years ago.  Huge loss for humanity, the Catholic Church and France.

I hope they can restore it back to where it was, but I would imagine it is going to take years to do so.  What a historic landmark for Paris.  It was a reference point for us when walking around the city.

I'm betting a construction accident.

I've been thinking lately about he ephemeral nature of art and architecture. Thousands of years from now only the large scale works of Richard Serra will survive.

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Watching the coverage on CNN and I finally had to turn it off - it felt like a gut-punch.  I was just there in September and have many beautiful pictures from inside and out, but that is small consolation.  The thought of so many artifacts lost forever is numbing my mind.

thelostverse posted:

Watching the coverage on CNN and I finally had to turn it off - it felt like a gut-punch.  I was just there in September and have many beautiful pictures from inside and out, but that is small consolation.  The thought of so many artifacts lost forever is numbing my mind.

I heard that the workers rushed to remove all the artwork and artifacts from the place as the fire progressed. Anyway we will know more in the days to come.

I stayed across river of it for a 3 nights back in 2005 and looked at it every morning. Gotta think rehab work snafu. i know not a real comp but go look at National Cathedral in DC and maybe you can understand some of the architecure, add 600 years, hopefully relics got saved, etc.

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Macron says it will be rebuilt within 5 years.  Hope he is correct.  My son toured it just a month ago.  In the coming days we will learn what was lost and what was saved or spared.  I find it odd that with all our modern technology and safety regulations, this was able to happen now, and never happened over the past many centuries, when fires were common place.

The EU tends to have more regulation than the US, but perhaps not in this case.  Given the outcome, i think new safety regulations will follow in regards to renovation of historical sites.

vinole posted:

Macron says it will be rebuilt within 5 years.  Hope he is correct.  My son toured it just a month ago.  In the coming days we will learn what was lost and what was saved or spared.  I find it odd that with all our modern technology and safety regulations, this was able to happen now, and never happened over the past many centuries, when fires were common place.

No chance on the 5 year prediction.  The French workers who will be restoring it will go on strike periodically, like all French workers do. It is in their DNA.  if it is restored in 10 years it will be impressive.

 

 This is one awesome gesture 

Francois Pinault and Bernard Arnault, the owners of the wine estates Chateau Latour and Cheval Blanc, respectively, have pledged $338 million to help rebuild the Notre Dame Cathedral. In addition, wine and spirits barrel producer the Charlois Group has said it will find premium oak trees so new beams can be made inside of the cathedral.

italianwino posted:

 This is one awesome gesture 

Francois Pinault and Bernard Arnault, the owners of the wine estates Chateau Latour and Cheval Blanc, respectively, have pledged $338 million to help rebuild the Notre Dame Cathedral. In addition, wine and spirits barrel producer the Charlois Group has said it will find premium oak trees so new beams can be made inside of the cathedral.

My wife's friend toured it just the day before the fire, and posted pics on Facebook saying how wonderful it was. She was devastated the next day.  She might have been one of the last people to see it unscathed. 

Jon Rimmerman of Garagiste was there. He emailed that he was standing just beyond the firelines, and wondered just how old the wood was that was now smoke in his lungs.

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The Old Man posted:
thistlintom posted:

How much is it going to cost to restore Notre Dame?  Is there any estimate yet?

No.

Or how much insurance the sub-contractors had.

They are working to support the structure due to the damage done by the fire.  It damaged some of the stone.  So they are not totally out of the woods yet.

A man has been arrested after walking into New York's St Patrick's Cathedral carrying two full petrol cans, lighter fluid and lighters, police say.  He also poured gas on the floor.  WTF are with copy cats

thistlintom posted:

They are working to support the structure due to the damage done by the fire.  It damaged some of the stone.  So they are not totally out of the woods yet.

They are going to build a small temp church in the plaza while repairs are going on

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