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Was musing about this with some colleagues and wondering how exactly to frame it and who would know.

Could one put together a full lineup of an NFL team (every position filled) based on guys who were [convicted, indicted, ?] NFL players? A few came to mind such as Michael Vick at QB with Plaxico Burris at WR. There was a defensive lineman in Chicago who had some troubles with the law.

thoughts?
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RB - Travis Henry or Jamal Lewis take your pick (coke dealers)
RB - OJ Simpson (Do I need to specify)
LB - Ray Lewis (murderer)
CB - Adam "Pac-Man" Jones (Chose your crime du jour)
WR - Michael Irvin (Crack Pipe)
O Line - Nate Newton (Drug Transporting)
Many of the Vikings on that infamous party boat

I'm sure there's lots more but these are recent ones that come to mind.
A local guy: Steve “Mustafa” Muhammad, a Colts player who beat his pregnant wife, who subsequently died in a car crash (she was driving) a couple of days later.

Let's not forget the law abiding natures of :

QB---Todd Marinovich (Crack pipin')
WR---Rae Carruth (pregnant girlfriend executin')
TE---Mark Chmura (teen girl sexin')
OL---Barret Robbins (Cop attempted murderin')
DE---Jim Dunaway (wife murderin')
S---Eugene Robinson (hooker propositionin')
Icewino:
The murder charges against Ray Lewis were dropped when witnesses changed their testimony. He plead guilty to obstruction of justice and got 1 year probation.
He spends a good bit of money on good charitable causes in Baltimore.
His foundation distributes food to the needy at Thanksgiving, backpacks and school supplies for students at "back to school" time, fitness camps for youths, and a variety of other endeavors.
Maurice Clarett - he never played a down in the NFL but was drafted by the Broncos. He’s in prison for armed robbery. When arrested he had a loaded AK-47, a couple of other loaded handguns, a katana, and an open bottle of Grey Goose Vodka. He was also wearing Kevlar body armor and could not be put down with a Taser. What a waste of talent.

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Mark Chmura
He was acquitted. Doesn't that mean that he really didn't do it? Just ask OJ.
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Originally posted by irwin:
Icewino:
The murder charges against Ray Lewis were dropped when witnesses changed their testimony. He plead guilty to obstruction of justice and got 1 year probation.
He spends a good bit of money on good charitable causes in Baltimore.
His foundation distributes food to the needy at Thanksgiving, backpacks and school supplies for students at "back to school" time, fitness camps for youths, and a variety of other endeavors.


C'mon, irwin!

Plea bargain down, and get away with it. He was involved, period.

Yes, he does lots of good things now that he has "found God", but he was still involved in that....
Dom'n'Vin'sDad
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C'mon, irwin!

Plea bargain down, and get away with it. He was involved, period.


1) I didn't say he wasn't "involved." But what do you mean by "involved?"
2) This took place at a night club or something like that with tons of people there to potentially serve as witnesses. The prosecution would have been ecstatic to zap Ray Lewis. Yes, it was a plea bargain, but the fact is that the evidence that he was guilty of murder (which is the most serious crime we have in our country) was apparently not substantial. He didn't plead to manslaughter, aggravated assault, assault, battery, or even pushing and shoving or any other lesser crime of violence. The plea was a save face thing for the prosecutors.
I just don't think it is appropriate to call him a "murderer" when that was not even close to being proven, and where the prosecution recognized that the evidence wasn't even strong enough to go to trial.
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Originally posted by indybob:
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Originally posted by PURPLE:
Jerry Jones has specialized in putting together of team of jail bait.


Nah, Mark Chmura and The Rocket specialized in that. Dallas has slowly worked toward becoming The Raiders, sadly.




If there was to be the perfect owner of an All Convict team it would be Jerry Jones of the Cowboys. While I am a Steeler fan, I do respect the past great teams of the Cowboys. Jerry Jones has done a real good job of turning a once respectable franchise into a team any NFL fan should truly hate. For that Jerry Jones is a criminal in an even worst way than Al Davis.

I just wish I could see the look on Jerry Jones face if my Steelers win #6 this year. It would be so priceless.
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Originally posted by mneeley490:
Guys, I think the NBA already beat you to it.
Case in point, the Portland Trailblazers. Roll Eyes
Popcorn


An NBA team has maybe 12 players with guaranteed contracts while a NFL team has 53 players and NO guaranteed contracts. The NFL has a much faster way to get rid of their trash. The Blazers started taking out their trash 3-5 years ago and have a young, talented team although there are some who like to live in the past. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by irwin:
The plea was a save face thing for the prosecutors.
I just don't think it is appropriate to call him a "murderer" when that was not even close to being proven, and where the prosecution recognized that the evidence wasn't even strong enough to go to trial.


Irwin,

I never called him a murderer. Somebody else did.

Now, I will certainly take a back seat to your knowledge of the legal system, but why would Lewis plea bargain down to something he didn't do? Why would the prosecutors need to save face? If they didn't have enough evidence to prosecute, why wouldn't Lewis go to trial and work to be acquitted? I mean, it wasn't like he was charged with shoplifting or something....
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Icewino:
The murder charges against Ray Lewis were dropped when witnesses changed their testimony. He plead guilty to obstruction of justice and got 1 year probation.
He spends a good bit of money on good charitable causes in Baltimore.
His foundation distributes food to the needy at Thanksgiving, backpacks and school supplies for students at "back to school" time, fitness camps for youths, and a variety of other endeavors.

Irwin

Spoken like a true lawyer. I'd change my story too if Ray Lewis was comming after me, either that or start carrying more than I do now. If you think he's a great guy now that's fine with me. I'm sure OJ did a lot of good also before he killed...oh wait I almost forgot, he didn't do it either. They were both found innocent.

By the way, the link you posted Irwin about Dave Megget? Isn't that slander or something? After all he was accused and not convicted right?
You plea bargain and get probation because the penalty is near 0, and the cost of going to trial, with attorney's fees and publicity is higher, and the possibility of losing exists.
Do you want to plead guilty to this misdemeanor, get a small fine and probation or, take what is behind door number 1, namely, the courtroom or jury room door. Certainty and finality against uncertainty, cost and exposure.

Actually, the co-defendants of Ray Lewis' were found not guilty, so maybe if he'd have gone to trial he would too, but the operative word is "maybe".-- we don't know.



It seems to me the OJ case and the Ray Lewis case are quite different in a number of ways.
In OJ's case there were no eyewitnesses, but there was a good bit of scientific evidence and a good bit of circumstantial evidence. There was no eyewitness to put him at the scene exactly when the murder occurred. There was a timeline that fit pretty well.
In Ray Lewis' case, there were many witnesses and there was no dispute that he was present physically at the time of the murder. The question was what was done and by whom--whether he did it or whether someone else did.
My last message on this topic.
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Originally posted by Dom'n'Vin'sDad:
The Giants cut Plaxico today.....
Yup, as I commented on in the other NFL thread the Giants' top priority has to be getting a #1 WR now, they sucked it up last season once Plaxico done shot himself.

Also there's no way that Plaxico doesn't find another team in short order, or at least when the extent of his legal problems are known, he's simply too good even though he's clearly a dumbass.
With Vick there'd still only be 6 good QB's in the league and he isn't one of them and never was. He would however make a hell of a running back if he's been hitting the gym in prison and put on a few pounds of muscle so he could take a few hits. He could make a nice double threat with 25 carries a game and still having the option to throw once in a while. That would intrigue me more than seeing him go back to being a great scrambler but mediocre QB at best.
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Originally posted by VT2IT:
If Vick is reinstated teams will be lining up for his services, The offense is called the wildcat, and he's the perfect man to run it. Yes he was a crappy drop back passer, but let him run an option and he'd be scary.


Heard this point about the Wildcat today, makes sense, but we have two teams running that offense frequently.

I don't see either of them taking him. Someone will of course, but I won't root for it.
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Originally posted by irwin:
Icewino:
The murder charges against Ray Lewis were dropped when witnesses changed their testimony. He plead guilty to obstruction of justice and got 1 year probation.
He spends a good bit of money on good charitable causes in Baltimore.
His foundation distributes food to the needy at Thanksgiving, backpacks and school supplies for students at "back to school" time, fitness camps for youths, and a variety of other endeavors.


Changed their testimony... sounds like someone got to them in time.

Lewis also paid off the families of the victims to get them to go away, as in, quick settlements. Why do that if you aren't guilty? 2 men dead, no one convicted of the crime, a lot of money changing hands...
How about Leonard Little...i think he's the only active player that actually killed somebody.

Others missing from this list are Mark Gastineau (spent a year at Rikers), Sebastian Janikowski (propositioning an undercover cop while in possession of GHB), Lawrence Phillips (running over teenagers after a pickup football game, beating up his girlfriend, etc).

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