stefaniawine posted:
bomba503 posted:

Witten was a mess and lost on camera. ...

He was fun in a Joe Theismann, what the hell is he talking about, did he really just say that, can he be that dumb way.  "You can't put up points in this league unless you score."  Joe Theismann.

The thing that drove me crazy was he would always look at the other person in the booth when speaking and I never felt like he was addressing the audience. It was uncomfortable to watch

Things are rolling now.  I caught a little preseason action. 

When is it too soon to start picking on Gruden?  I mean pretty much a blindfolded drunk monkey throwing darts at a roster list would be better for picking out talent right?

Cowboys are in the crunch I predicted last year but playing it much smarter than I thought they would.  Elliot in Cabo all year really isn't going to hurt them and it sounds like they are playing tough with Prescott.  

I think the 49ers are the team most likely to have a huge turnaround and the Cardinals are the very definition of why relegation would be a good thing for the NFL. 

stefaniawine posted:

Things are rolling now.  I caught a little preseason action. 

When is it too soon to start picking on Gruden?  I mean pretty much a blindfolded drunk monkey throwing darts at a roster list would be better for picking out talent right?

Cowboys are in the crunch I predicted last year but playing it much smarter than I thought they would.  Elliot in Cabo all year really isn't going to hurt them and it sounds like they are playing tough with Prescott.  

I think the 49ers are the team most likely to have a huge turnaround and the Cardinals are the very definition of why relegation would be a good thing for the NFL. 

I think Dak is a very average QB without Zeke to take the pressure off of him.  I wouldn't give him the $ he is looking for, $40/million per ?  Crazy talk.

Most excited I've been for a Browns season since the Bernie Kosar days, I hope they don't let me down.  

billhike posted:

This is the first time I’ve been excited about the Bears since before the Jay Cutler era.

Bears were +12 in turnovers last year with no recent history of being a plus team.

Bears lead the league in defensive touchdowns (6), a stat that is largely luck and not repeatable.

Bears go from playing a last place schedule to a first place schedule.

Those are three of the biggest predictors of poor performance relative to the previous season I've found.  That's a bad combo for the Bears.  It's almost exactly the same combo as the 2017/18 Jacksonville Jags. (10/7/worst to first schedule)  I predicted the Jags last year as no better than 8-8.  Finished 5-11. 

The Schedule thing is a killer.  Last year they had seven, 7, count them 7 games against out of division sad saps.  This year they've got 2.

If the Bears make the playoffs this year beer is on me for my net Chicago visit.  Confident I wouldn't be buying.

stefaniawine posted:
billhike posted:

This is the first time I’ve been excited about the Bears since before the Jay Cutler era.

Bears were +12 in turnovers last year with no recent history of being a plus team.

Bears lead the league in defensive touchdowns (6), a stat that is largely luck and not repeatable.

Bears go from playing a last place schedule to a first place schedule.

Those are three of the biggest predictors of poor performance relative to the previous season I've found.  That's a bad combo for the Bears.  It's almost exactly the same combo as the 2017/18 Jacksonville Jags. (10/7/worst to first schedule)  I predicted the Jags last year as no better than 8-8.  Finished 5-11. 

The Schedule thing is a killer.  Last year they had seven, 7, count them 7 games against out of division sad saps.  This year they've got 2.

If the Bears make the playoffs this year beer is on me for my net Chicago visit.  Confident I wouldn't be buying.

Hopefully that visit is soon!

Khalil Mack basically had no training camp last year - same with Roquan Smith. I can see six defensive TD's with this team easily, to be honest. 

Yeah, the schedule is a serious challenge. If Trubisky can progress and gain some consistency, I'm optimistic what he can do with some additional weapons they picked up. No blockbusters but nice pieces that can be rotated and kept fresh if they aren't selfish. 

Unfortunately, locally we are still talking way too much about f***ing kickers. 

billhike posted:
stefaniawine posted:
billhike posted:

This is the first time I’ve been excited about the Bears since before the Jay Cutler era.

Bears were +12 in turnovers last year with no recent history of being a plus team.

Bears lead the league in defensive touchdowns (6), a stat that is largely luck and not repeatable.

Bears go from playing a last place schedule to a first place schedule.

Those are three of the biggest predictors of poor performance relative to the previous season I've found.  That's a bad combo for the Bears.  It's almost exactly the same combo as the 2017/18 Jacksonville Jags. (10/7/worst to first schedule)  I predicted the Jags last year as no better than 8-8.  Finished 5-11. 

The Schedule thing is a killer.  Last year they had seven, 7, count them 7 games against out of division sad saps.  This year they've got 2.

If the Bears make the playoffs this year beer is on me for my net Chicago visit.  Confident I wouldn't be buying.

Hopefully that visit is soon!

Khalil Mack basically had no training camp last year - same with Roquan Smith. I can see six defensive TD's with this team easily, to be honest. 

Yeah, the schedule is a serious challenge. If Trubisky can progress and gain some consistency, I'm optimistic what he can do with some additional weapons they picked up. No blockbusters but nice pieces that can be rotated and kept fresh if they aren't selfish. 

Unfortunately, locally we are still talking way too much about f***ing kickers. 

That's an even easier bet.  Three teams have had 6 in the past 5 years.  The high in the past 5 years is 6.  If I was making book I'd say it's well over 100 x 1 they will have 6 or more again this year.  I think more than 50 x 1 they'd have 3 or more.  Last time they had 6 (2013) they had 1 the following year. 

It's just a stat that doesn't really correlate to anything very closely.  Teams that lead the league tend to be good defensive teams, but good defensive teams can fall anywhere from 1-30 in the rankings for DTD's.  Bad defensive teams can also be at the top, or at the bottom.  When stats show that lack of pattern over a small base, they tend to average back to the middle year over year.  If the league average is 2, the odds are any team, no matter how their defense ranks, will get 2. 

Takeaway +/- show the same pattern of correcting back to a team median.  IF a team averages 5 a year over a few years and then has 10, the next year they are more likely to have 5 than 10.  This one actually took me awhile to figure out because the correction is not back to 0 or even but back to the level the particular team usually performs at.

The 49ers have been a bad +/- team since 2014, averaging about -4, but last season they were -25.  Odds are this year they will be @ -4.  Still not in the top half of the league, but the change will be dramatic on the outcome of games.  The Bears will move the other direction. They've also been about -4 although they've had some horrible -20 seasons also.  Odds are this season they will be right around -4.

Some things I'll be watching through the first 4 weeks:

Will the Ravens get solid enough QB play to compliment their defense.? I think you can say the same about the Texans.

The Titans QB.  How long before that's a musical chairs?

How do the Browns start? They finally seem to recognize who not to hire as a coach, but all those late wins last year where against teams that had quit.

Speaking of quitting will the Falcons and Panther un-quit this year?

The Cowboys seem to understand where they are at with their salary cap situation, this has got to be the year they make a run.  They have a pretty easy schedule this year and if they don't start 3-0 something is really wrong.

Will the Chiefs play defense?  Will it matter?

I wish the Raiders and the Cardinals played this year.  The Shit Bowl.

Chargers.  That looks like the easiest schedule of the year for any good team.  13-3?

I think the 49ers will be much better.  The Saints will be all about staying healthy.  They have a tough schedule and no cap space to bring in help.  

Patio will be open all year for watching games.  First party is Sept 9th, I'm making Jambalaya.  Stop by if you're in town, and remember we don't know anything until after game 4.

 

patespo1 posted:
doubled posted:

Haha ... colts have a good D.  One less playoff team in the mix.  Christmas for some teams like the Texans, Titans, Steelers, Ravens, Jets.

You forgot the Browns Dom, one less team for them to eliminate on their way to the Super Bowl!

I expect the Browns to win the division.  Steelers would be the one fighting for the wildcard.

stefaniawine posted:

I nominate Nathan Peterman.  With all his drama and baggage Brown is at least an NFL caliber player.

Peterman is like having the coaches son in Little League as your starting pitcher and having to stand in the outfield while he walks in runs until the mercy rule hits.

My interpretation of the award includes a high asshole factor. Sticking with my pick.

Week One thoughts on games I watched:

Any other takers from Chitown on that bet?  Because I'm feeling 8-8 might be a stretch after watching that stink turd of an 'offensive performance'.  I doubt the Packers defense suddenly turned into a top 5 team, but will be interesting to watch them this year.

Eli Manning really is a sad figure at this point.  

Chargers - Colts was a better game than I expected.  Chargers 13-3 is still in the cards.

WTF with the Lions?  The Cardinals should be battling the Dolphins and the Giants for #32 in the power rankings.  Are they really that bad bman?  I don't get to see them very often.

Well - you know, all that stuff I said about the Bears and how it relates to the other turn around teams.  That all applied to the Browns also except the 1st place schedule (they have a 3rd place schedule), so no surprises there for me.  Our Browns fans here are a little sensitive so I didn't want to be the one poking them in the eye balls.  The Bears fans can take that.  It is a weak division and who knows what Pittsburg will play like the rest of the season, but I don't see any playoff team in Clevelend.

49ers win the turnover battle, win the game.  The run defense was really suspect and Jimmy G didn't look great, but this team still just needs to get the turnover ratio under control to win 5 more games than last year.

Tampa - Winston - Uber is hiring.

Steelers - Patriots - Dud

Texans - Man if Watson could learn to check down or make some reads he has a hell of an arm.  He's not going to play 8 games this year though getting sacked and beat up like that.  Texans are going to be an all or none team all year long is my guess.  They win by 20, or loss by 20 and the only thing in between is when they lose games by 2 they should have won.

Who are these Raiders and when did Carr get so much better?  Or is that just the Broncos sucking?  We will have to see.

Right now is when Patton does his first week yelling at his Defensive Coordinator to get his shit together.  At least this Tuesday follows a win.  That was a heck of a game.

Nice read as always Paul.  It’s always difficult to assess how good or bad a team is when the score is so lobsided.  Pretty safe to say that Miami will have the number 1 pick next year.  Giants looked bad, but they have some players and actually looked good for about 5 minutes.  

Seahawks eeked out a sloppy win against the Bengals last Sunday. Cincinnati is supposed to have the worst defense in the league, but they managed to sack Wilson at least 6 times. I would say it doesn't look good against Pittsburg next Sunday, except for the epic shellacking they got from New England, so maybe we'll see 2-0. 

robsutherland posted:

Bills at 2-0 is a surprise. I think I'm 16-2 in games I've attended (yearly boy's week-end) so they'll win at least 3 games this year. 

Bills have won 6 in a row if you count preseason. Start planning the parade! 

doubled posted:
irwin posted:

Ben Roethlisberger:  Out for the year...Needs elbow surgery.

Drew Brees:  Out for 6 weeks or so...Needs thumb surgery.

 

On the other hand, Lamar Jackson looks like the real deal.  

Jackson played the Dolphins and Cardinals, so I'm not ready to anoint him yet.  But he has looked improved.

It's amazing, the Browns Won, and Won by 20, and I was disappointed with how they looked.  Weird feeling after watching them go through 1-31 not so long ago. 

I watched some duds this weekend - Tampa - Carolina (best game I saw, which tells you something), Niners - Bengals, Rams - Saints, Browns - Jets.

You do need 4 full games to learn anything.  Sure Jackson has been good but as pointed out he did it against a team I'd rank 31 of 32 and one I'd rank 48 of 32, accounting for the 15 or so college teams and one or two high school teams that could beat the Miami Fishkill.  Going for the first choice in the draft is only a good plan if you've ever shown the ability to draft by the way.

I learned that Tampa has a better defense than I gave them credit for.  I put the Niners struggles up to poor offensive execution, but Carolina had worse problems.  Carolina also had trouble stopping the Tampa run, so I'd say they have a good running game.  Success for them will come down to Winston making good choices.  So in the end, they're still doomed.

I don't think the Niners offense is that good, the Bengals just stunk.  It reminded me of the Saints vs Bills wooping a few years ago that lead to the infamous decision to start Peterman.  Their defense is that good.  They bring pressure with a four man rush and rotate 8 guys keeping them all fresh.  You don't want to be down 10 points to the Niners in the 4th, it's unhealthy for your QB.

Given what I saw from the Steelers and Bengals, the Ravens could could go 3-3 in their remaining non-division games and finish 12-4.

What a let down in the Rams - Saints game.  Teddy Bridgewater literally has at least 50 million in guarantee money riding on how he plays over the next 6 weeks, and so far he's pissing it away.  The Rams defense is one guy, and that's a hell of a guy.

Yeah - You're playing a 3rd string QB, walk on, undrafted, passed on waivers and signed as a free agent QB, then that wasn't a great performance by the Browns.  They basically won on two big plays against a team that could not make one average play.  Mayfield has a dangerous tendency to hang his balls high and expose his receivers to all kinds of terrible hits.  If the Browns hit game 8 at 4-4 or anything less than 6-2 I think those receivers at best will start to get alligator arms.  At worse they are on IR or dead.

You saw one play last night that summed up why I've thought Gregg Williams is a total fucking moron, going back to his Saints days.  Booger called it as it happened: "Williams is dialing up a blitz, he likes to bring pressure inside the 50".  Yeah and the TV announcer spotted it, a guy on his patio in Gilroy spotted it and Baker Mayfield spotted it.  Great work Gregg.  And next time you draw up a blitz anyone on any easy chair in America can see is coming, how about covering the most dangerous freaking receiver in the league with, I don't know, one guy maybe?  Moron.

Still waiting on more Chitown takers on that bet.

On to week 3!

thistlintom posted:

Article in WSJ claims the Dolphins are tanking in order to get future picks and create a good team in the future.  They have traded away good players to get future picks.  This must make Dolphin season ticket holders happy.

Typical action.  Worst management & owner in the league.  Nice stadium, but what a waste.

Mariota had a horrific performance.  23 completions on 55 drop backs, 9 sacks.  9.  There wasn't a single play I saw where he did the "see it, believe it, throw it", you're supposed to .  See it, doubt it, hold it, sack.  He's completely broken and I've got to believe Tannehill  is a better option.

The only thing I can see holding the Jags back is Fournette.  Take away his longest pass (9 yards) and the 69 yard run in garbage time and he's 14 carries for -3 yards and 5 catches for 17 yards.  That's 19 touches for 14 yards.  IT's the equivalent of having your rookie QB take a knee on first down every time so he can throw from 2nd and 11 each time.   No sane person would do that, but that's what the Jags coaches are doing on every drive.

The Jags coaches and front office though has never shown any indication that they can figure that out and get rid of the guy.  He's the exact and I mean exact same player as Jeff Wilson on the 49ers.  Good on the goal line, don't want to counton his blocking in the pass game, catches ok but little RAC.  Low yards per carry.  Wilson was an undrafted free agent and is currently 4th on the Niners depth chart.  He comes in on goal line and garbage time.

Some of the worst end of the game coaching I've seen, and that says a lot, for the Browns last night.  

Run a draw play on 4th and 9 in Rams territory?  Then on the following drive, get to the Rams 4 yard line, first down, 3 time outs, and 40 seconds left and you don't try to run the ball once?  

The Browns defense holds the Rams to 20 points, played their hearts out, and the coaching and Offensive Line do nothing to help them out. 

Not ready to throw in the towel yet, but that was a terrible 4th quarter. 

I got to watch about half of the Ravens game and all of the Browns.  Here's the thing about young QB's, they all have issues.  It's really about fixing the issues.

Lamar Jackson has exactly the same problems as Kaepernick has/had except unlike Kap he seems to have a basic understanding of his playbook and the formations that are in it.  He's also not completely befuddled every time he comes up to the line and looks at a defense.  He has no touch, he locks on to parts of the field, he never looks anyone off, he holds the ball too long and deadliest of all under pressure he turns his back and and tries to loop back to escape.  He never steps up or around in the pocket, and when he does it's not natural, he goes to a spot and the defense knows that spot.

Kap never fixed any of those things.  Never.  Once teams adjusted he was a very ineffective QB.  Jackson's future is about making those adjustments.  Teams have enough film on him now to  punish those mistakes and I saw the Chiefs, who don't have a good defense, well prepared for his flaws, especially the turn the back one.

Mayfield is completely predictable, If he doesn't get the ball out in under 2.2 seconds he rolls right.  The end of that game, the Rams were perfectly prepared for him.  They played a defense loaded with coverage to the right so no one broke open in under 2 seconds.  They went man on man single coverage on the left and brought left side pressure to force him to roll.  They basically set the defense up to do exactly what they know he is comfortable doing and then shut it down with a swarm of defenders on the right side in coverage.  It's tough to win in the NFL playing on 1/2 a field.  

The right read when you see single man on man coverage with no safety help on the left side is to drop back, step up in front of the pressure and throw the fade to the 1x1 receiver.  You'e going to get hit and you need a receiver who can go up for the ball, which the Browns have.  The thing is he never even looked left.

That roll to the right works in college ball where there is just not the depth of talent in the defensive backfield. With the additional 4-5 seconds of time a college defense will break down on the roll and you'll get a completion, even taking 1/2 the field out of play.  Mayfield is basically doing what he learned worked.

That's a serious flaw, and a common one.  Joe Montana had it.  It was his most famous play, and then Bill Walsh spent a couple of years trying to get him to stop doing it.  Drew Brees had it also.  So that's hopeful for Browns fans, Montana and Brees physically and skill set wise are pretty close to Mayfield.

Then again every SEC quarterback since Ken Stabler, not named Manning, has had the same flaw, and none of them have won a Super Bowl.

Chargers look like my swing and miss this year.  Bridgewater made himself $5 million, he's got 15-20 million on the line Sunday.  49ers found both new and repetitive ways to give the ball away and still won.  Not a good sign for the Steelers. I need to see another Lions game.  I wrote them off letting the Cardinals back in the game, and there might be more there.

My Raiders question was answered.  No Carr and the Raiders didn't magically get better, the Broncos just suck.

I'm not excited by the Giants new QB because they have the same coaches and front office.  "You can't fix stupid."  I was glad to see Case Keenum playing again, because let me tell you he sucked working as the check out guy at Home Depot.  I mean you think he's a bad QB you should see him work a cash register.  

And one last bit of breaking news.  I have this exclusive photo of the Dolphins coaching staff looking for players to round out the team:

https://si.wsj.net/public/reso...D_20100906194652.jpg

Excellent notes as always Paul. 

I like the Minkah trade for the Steelers even though they gave up their first round pick for 2020.  I don't think they will be bad enough to be in the Top 10 pick anyway.  I see the Bottom 6: Miami, NY Jets, Cincinnati, Washington, Denver, Arizona,   I think Oakland, Titans, NY Giants, Falcons, and Tampa will have worse records by the end of the season.

What is truly sad is that Miami looked much better for that first half - only being down 10-6 and really should have been winning.  Then the second half happened and they looked normal.    31-6 a good result for them this season.

Other question is how given they suck every year do they always end up having a hard schedule (I know they are in the Pats division but . . .) - Their opponents are 8-1 (granted they each got the gimme win of playing Miami).

Watched Packers - Eagles, 1/2 Pats - Bills (With Otisabdul and his dad), 3/4 of Bears-Vikings, Saints - Cowboys, most of Steelers - Kittens.

Week four you finally get some real insight.  Everyone new the Fins would be stinkers but now it's clear the Broncos, Bengals and Redskins are the bottom feeders.  Some that we thought would be bottom feeders like Tampa and the Giants won't be.  Tampa's got a good team, I saw that against the Niners.

Packers look the best they have in years.  First Eagles game I've seen and they seem to be their own worst enemy with penalties and turnovers.  They could have had 5 face mask penalties.

Bills defense is really good.  Allen was completely over matched and to me undisciplined.  He had that young QB must make big plays mentality and it was his undoing.  It was great to hang out with Otis.

Chase Daniels is a better quarterback than Trubisky.   That's an epic defense, but they need an offense that can keep them from facing 15-20 possessions a game.  That's when luck and big plays start to work against a good defense.

The most memorable thing about the MNF game was, well nothing.

The Saints defense I would have not ranked above the Cowboys, but they won the game.  Teddy Bridgewater earned 10 million or so.  He outplayed Prescott, and if you're a Cowboys fan you should have severe anxiety about paying him 30+ million a year and wrecking your salary cap for the next 5 years.  

It was interesting though to watch Teddy's reaction to his terrible error on 3rd down of turning his back.  You could see he knew that was a stupid mistake the minute he made it, and he was still beating himself up over it post game.  It was the first thing he talked about.  I think, and think not know, that's the impact of practicing with Brees and Payton.  He's learned how to be a QB, what the mistakes are to avoid, game management, reads, all the tough stuff.  He's not executing everything right now, but he KNOWS what he's supposed to do.  There's no need for a  coach to yell at him on the sidelines, he knows exactly what and why he should have done.

This year I've seen Allen screamed at (for good reason), Trubisky coddled, Mariota oblivious and a host of young QB's make the same mistakes over and over again.  I think we saw Bridgewater turn his back for the last time.  That's why I think Chase is a better option for the Bears.  He's not going to win any games for you single handed, but he knows that and he knows exactly what he's supposed to do with the tools he has.

Big game for the Saints and especially the 49ers this week.  Should be fun.

 

Dallas finally played a team outside the bottom 5, zeke got shut down and Dak showed his talent level when he lacks an effective run game. I knew that was coming. Eagles still working through injuries and integrating personal. Seasons are won and lost in November. Let's see what they look like then.

Trubisky sucks. Goff is merely average. NO doesn't scare me without Brees. SF hasn't been tested yet, this week is potentially they're first test though the Browns are so unpredictable. No one scares me in the NFC this year. If we can stay healthy we have a real shot again.

The roughing call on Clay Matthews Jr. last night on the game winning TD drive for Seattle may have been the worst of this season, and there have been some terrible ones.  Directly affected the outcome of that drive, which ended up being the game winner. 

patespo1 posted:

The roughing call on Clay Matthews Jr. last night on the game winning TD drive for Seattle may have been the worst of this season, and there have been some terrible ones.  Directly affected the outcome of that drive, which ended up being the game winner. 

Agreed, that was a bad call and impacted the outcome of the game.

mneeley490 posted:

Like most games, there were some bad calls, and some bad non-calls. Matthews may not have deserved that particular call, but there was a blatant roughing earlier when Wilson was was flattened after being hit from behind that no ref seemed to notice.

To your point, the lack of consistency with the refereeing is what bothers me the most.  It's a billion dollar business, maybe they can afford full time referees?  

Watched Rams - Seahawks, Saints - Bucs, part of Packs - Cowboys, Colts - Chiefs, most of Niners - Browns.  Really miss the 6PM start time for MNF.

Yeah so that was not a great call on Matthews, but it was 1st and 10 and the Rams hadn't shown any ability to slow down the Hawks.  I figure 40-50 more calls like that that go against the Rams and their mojo should come back into equilibrium.  Wah.

The Rams are really a one hit wonder on defense.  Contain Donald, score 30+ points.  Hawks looked really good.  I think the criticism of their offense against the Saints was off the mark.  See below for details.

I tried to get glimpses of Bears-Raiders but really didn't see much.  I'm shocked the Raiders have won two games.

I'm guessing very few of you saw the Saints play.  You probably saw the 31-24 final and thought: "No big deal, back up QB vs a poor Buc team the Saints squeezed one out."  Only thing is that Bucs team is not a poor team.  Beating the Rams wasn't a fluke.  What you missed was a dominate defensive performance that was hidden by the final score. 

The Bucs scored one TD on a 20 yard drive after a fluke interception.  They scored another touchdown in garbage/clock kill time.  Take away that last clock kill drive and the Saints D gave up 174 yards in total offense.  That was to a team that had over 500 vs the Rams.

The last three weeks I've heard about bad play calling and being out of sync for the Seahawks and how the Cowboys couldn't get Dak and Zeke going because, well who knows.  The Saints have one of the best defenses in the league.  You all missed it.

The Pack - Boys game really didn't hold my attention.  The Pack defense is good after all.  The bottom line was the suck line:

Rogers - 0 Int, 2 sack, 0 fumbles, 1 scramble ( I added the unplanned run as a suck)

Prescott - 3 Int, 3 sacks, 0 fumbles, 4 scramble

That's a lot of drives Dak killed.

Reports of the Colts death were premature.

Reports of the Chiefs having a defense were dead wrong.

Humm - What to say.  Those dog pound guys have sensitive feelings and all.  I got the Chargers completely wrong if that makes you feel any better.  Browns do still get the Fins, Broncos, Cardinals, Bengals twice and QB-less Steelers twice.  That's 7 games against teams with 3 wins right now.  They really only need to beat one good team to finish 10-6

There's something big going on in the NFL.  It's on the defensive line.  IF you can bring pressure with 4 guys, and you have depth to rotate in 6 or more guys on the line with no drop off, you're going to win games.  No blitzing linebackers needed, no superstar hybrids, just 4 guys bringing it.  Saints 4-1, Niners 4-0.

I'm picking grapes most of the weekend so I probably won't see much in week 6.

patespo1 posted:
mneeley490 posted:

Like most games, there were some bad calls, and some bad non-calls. Matthews may not have deserved that particular call, but there was a blatant roughing earlier when Wilson was was flattened after being hit from behind that no ref seemed to notice.

To your point, the lack of consistency with the refereeing is what bothers me the most.  It's a billion dollar business, maybe they can afford full time referees?  

I always hear the argument for full time referees when there is a poor call that matters in a game that matters.  We obviously don't have any data to confirm, but I never see how a guy not having a weekday job will make him a better official on the weekends. 

Clearly, there was a miscommunication or misunderstanding on where the route should take the receiver.   Given they are missing their 2nd tier receiver, their starting RB and pass-catching TE, I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the rookie.   He's still an upgrade over Eli, and I like Eli.

csm posted:
patespo1 posted:
mneeley490 posted:

Like most games, there were some bad calls, and some bad non-calls. Matthews may not have deserved that particular call, but there was a blatant roughing earlier when Wilson was was flattened after being hit from behind that no ref seemed to notice.

To your point, the lack of consistency with the refereeing is what bothers me the most.  It's a billion dollar business, maybe they can afford full time referees?  

I always hear the argument for full time referees when there is a poor call that matters in a game that matters.  We obviously don't have any data to confirm, but I never see how a guy not having a weekday job will make him a better official on the weekends. 

I agree we don't have the data to back it, but I would hypothesize that full time referees could dedicate themselves during the week to watching film, working out to stay in better shape, having crew meetings, etc.   Again, the NFL can afford it.  The NBA and MLB have full time officials.  What would it hurt?

I saw a number of games (yes, including my Browns) yesterday that had terrible officiating.  And how the league can review some of these calls and not change/overturn them is beyond me.  

Rant over (for now). 

stefaniawine posted:

Some things I'll be watching through the first 4 weeks:

Will the Ravens get solid enough QB play to compliment their defense.? I think you can say the same about the Texans.

The Titans QB.  How long before that's a musical chairs?

How do the Browns start? They finally seem to recognize who not to hire as a coach, but all those late wins last year where against teams that had quit.

Speaking of quitting will the Falcons and Panther un-quit this year?

The Cowboys seem to understand where they are at with their salary cap situation, this has got to be the year they make a run.  They have a pretty easy schedule this year and if they don't start 3-0 something is really wrong.

Will the Chiefs play defense?  Will it matter?

I wish the Raiders and the Cardinals played this year.  The Shit Bowl.

Chargers.  That looks like the easiest schedule of the year for any good team.  13-3?

I think the 49ers will be much better.  The Saints will be all about staying healthy.  They have a tough schedule and no cap space to bring in help.  

Patio will be open all year for watching games.  First party is Sept 9th, I'm making Jambalaya.  Stop by if you're in town, and remember we don't know anything until after game 4.

 

Time to check in I guess.

Thursday night was my first "Why in the hell are you watching this crap game".  Watched the Niners and Saints on Sunday - Great defensive performances.  Late games I didn't really watch closely, too busy drinking beer and hanging out.

The Texans and Ravens have gotten good enough QB Play.

Titans = Week 6, I thought it would be sooner.

So far the best things about the Browns is they didn't keep WIlliams as coach or they might be 0-6 instead of 2-4.

Panthers no quit, Falcons quit.

Cowboys did go 3-0 but something is still really wrong.  Still they are in what could be the weakest division in the league and are a likely playoff team.

Chiefs - No defense, yes it mattered.

I missed how bad the Skins and Bengals would be, but really who though the Raiders would be 3-2?

Chargers - My worst swing and miss ever.  Looked like a rapper throwing out the first pitch.

Niners - Told you so, actually I thought top of the line for them was 10-6, which they still may land at.  Saints - Healthy hasn't even mattered.  Brees out, Kamara playing at 50% and they still won another game.

Tampa "depends on Winston making good decisions" and we do know how that turned out.

Bears still tracking at 8-8.  Only 2 easy games left on the schedule for them: NYG and LAC.  +6 in turnovers 1 DTD.

The patio will be closed this weekend.  I'll be at Coop's Place at Noon Central Time for a Bloody Mary and some Gumbo.  Watching the game across the street at 3 PM at B.B. King's.  We'll be on the second floor balcony if you find yourself in NOLA.  So far only Otisabdul has shown up from here to watch a game with me on the patio.  You guys are slackers .

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