Based on the off-season the Browns will finally win more than 1 game this year. Glad to see a football guy doing what should have been done 4 years ago. I am a little concerned that while we have added talent, we are giving away a lot more than we are getting.
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Originally posted by Juicy:

Comparison of Kaep vs. Jimmy G
https://touchdownwire.usatoday...-five-games-in-2016/


Blake Bortles has great stats too, he sucks. I watched all ffive of Kaps last games and all five of JimmyG's. Not even f-in close. Kap still could not read defenses, check off plays, stay in the pocket, step up under pressure, get off the snap count or throw with any touch at all. Basically he's made no progress or change in his game since 2011. To quote Tony Romo: "It's a copy cat league". Defenses figures out Kap and he's never made any adjustments back. His last season stats where exactly like Bortles (up until last year), picking up yards and completions in garbage time against defenses protecting 3 touchdown leads.
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Originally posted by indybob:
Will anyone take a chance on Kaepernick?

Nope, nope, nope.

Seahawks offered him a workout. Not an job offer, just a workout to look him over. But they wanted to know what his plans were going to be. (Subtle way of asking if he still plans on being a disruptive influence, I guess.) He indicated that he couldn't say, so they dis-invited him to the workout.
So myself, I'm pissed that they even offered him that. 90% of the 12's can't stand him, but the Hawks front office seems to be tone-deaf to that.
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Originally posted by patespo1:
Hopefully not Mayfield

Allow me to offer my semi-heartfelt condolences, Pat.


I'm still in shock. After two years of accumulating picks, Mayfield is what they come up with? Obviously I hope I am wrong but I much preferred Darnold, and even Rosen. Only silver lining is they didn't go with Allen.

As for the Ward pick, they needed CB help, he was the best in the draft, they have amazing receivers in their division, so I get the pick. But pairing Chubb with Myles Garrett would've been really, really fun to watch.

They have two of the first three picks in Round 2, and there is plenty of talent left. They need to hit on these two picks (and not trade out!).
Shaquem Griffin, a defensive linemam and born with a defective left arm which resulted in his hand being amputated when he was a kid, was drafted by the Seahawks. If he makes the team, he will join his twin brother who was drafted last year. Great story. Hope he makes an impact like Jim Abbott with baseball.
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Shaquem Griffin, a defensive linemam and born with a defective left arm which resulted in his hand being amputated when he was a kid, was drafted by the Seahawks. If he makes the team, he will join his twin brother who was drafted last year. Great story. Hope he makes an impact like Jim Abbott with baseball.


When he was 4 years old his mother found him in the kitchen one morning trying to cut off his own hand due to the pain. They had it amputated the next day.

When did Super Bowl rings stop being rings and start being trophies? I know a couple of people with championship rings and they are wearable. Seems the trend over the past number of years they have become something so large and flashy I can’t imagine wearing due to there sheer size. 

That said, I’m not a jewelry person in the least.... and watches are NOT jewelry? 

On the very first offensive play of the season the Texans turn the ball over on a fumbled exchange between the QB and RB.  As if it isn't hard enough to beat Brady and the Patriots, we basically give them a TD and lose the game.  Well, maybe next year............

irwin posted:

one of the big surprises from yesterday was that the Browns did not lose to Pittsburgh. The Browns have not won a game since Christmas Eve in 2016.  They still have not won, because the game yesterday ended in a tie.

Only the Browns could end their losing streak by not winning. 

patespo1 posted:
doubled posted:

Browns over the Saints this weekend.

If they had a kicker this would've happened.  Amazing how many different ways they find to lose, and amazing that I keep thinking they won't disappoint me one of these weeks.

The GM snoozed on not picking up Dan Bailey.  Browns D is very good.   I think they’ll win 3-4 games this year.

Credit for the Saints defense should go to Todd Monken.  He put in place a scheme to isolate Lattimore using motion and crossing routes and press the Saints deep.  Last year the leagues reaction to Lattimore was to not throw at him at all (Bears had one pass play to his side of the field in the game last year).  The Browns copied it the next week, but Taylor is no Fitzpatrick it would seem.

Dennis Allen isn't the brightest candle in the opera, not surprised he has figured out a counter yet in two games, but he eventually seems to.  The Saints should always play high risk defense and Allen just hasn't done it this year yet.  I suspect his conservative play calling eventually gets beat down my Payton's relentless nagging and he finally complies, happened in week three last year.

Don't know what to make of the Browns.  Easy to say they could be 2-0 with a good kicker, but then they are plus six in turnovers and 0-1-1.  Teams that are plus 6 should be 2-0 no matter what the kicker does.  The two teams who are + three are 4-0, and the teams + two are 8-2-1.   3-4 wins this season seems wildly optimistic, unless you think that turnover ratio will continue.

The best thing about the Raiders is I don't have to listen to Gruden's blathering, pawing praise for every coach in the NFL on TV anymore.  Wish he was a better coach so he'd stay out of the booth longer, but he should be back in there by 2020.

Lions are a mess.  49ers about what I expected.  The Giants - Is that NFL football?  Need to get a Jags game in to see if they really are that much better than I thought.  And not to gloat, but man I took a lot of crap for saying Russell Wilson was not an elite QB, you know one who could win even with an average or below average cast around him.  Well ok, I'll gloat.  Prediction #2 about him was he's out of the league or at least not a starter in a few years.  You have to read defenses and make adjustments to have a long life in the NFL, he does neither. 

Maybe Winston can get work as an Uber driver.   Is that too soon?

And last thought is you really know nothing about anything until after week 4.  Wins that seem impressive now against a team that was in the playoffs last year won't look as good when that team is 1-3.  Most coaches need at least two and usually three weeks of game film before they can re-find their belly button and make some adjustments to whatever silly ideas they came up with in training camp.

stefaniawine posted:

Credit for the Saints defense should go to Todd Monken.  He put in place a scheme to isolate Lattimore using motion and crossing routes and press the Saints deep.  Last year the leagues reaction to Lattimore was to not throw at him at all (Bears had one pass play to his side of the field in the game last year).  The Browns copied it the next week, but Taylor is no Fitzpatrick it would seem.

Dennis Allen isn't the brightest candle in the opera, not surprised he has figured out a counter yet in two games, but he eventually seems to.  The Saints should always play high risk defense and Allen just hasn't done it this year yet.  I suspect his conservative play calling eventually gets beat down my Payton's relentless nagging and he finally complies, happened in week three last year.

Don't know what to make of the Browns.  Easy to say they could be 2-0 with a good kicker, but then they are plus six in turnovers and 0-1-1.  Teams that are plus 6 should be 2-0 no matter what the kicker does.  The two teams who are + three are 4-0, and the teams + two are 8-2-1.   3-4 wins this season seems wildly optimistic, unless you think that turnover ratio will continue.

The best thing about the Raiders is I don't have to listen to Gruden's blathering, pawing praise for every coach in the NFL on TV anymore.  Wish he was a better coach so he'd stay out of the booth longer, but he should be back in there by 2020.

Lions are a mess.  49ers about what I expected.  The Giants - Is that NFL football?  Need to get a Jags game in to see if they really are that much better than I thought.  And not to gloat, but man I took a lot of crap for saying Russell Wilson was not an elite QB, you know one who could win even with an average or below average cast around him.  Well ok, I'll gloat.  Prediction #2 about him was he's out of the league or at least not a starter in a few years.  You have to read defenses and make adjustments to have a long life in the NFL, he does neither. 

Maybe Winston can get work as an Uber driver.   Is that too soon?

And last thought is you really know nothing about anything until after week 4.  Wins that seem impressive now against a team that was in the playoffs last year won't look as good when that team is 1-3.  Most coaches need at least two and usually three weeks of game film before they can re-find their belly button and make some adjustments to whatever silly ideas they came up with in training camp.

An entertaining and accurate read!

I didn't get to watch anything completely except for the Saints v Falcons.  I did get most of the Bucs v Steelers game and a good portion of the Sunday night game.

The Falcons used last years plan against the Saints, they just avoided Lattimore.  Still a huge problem to get fixed, but playing the Giants should help them look better on defense.

To me Tomlin has always been an enigma, I just can't figure out where to put him as a coach.  I'm sure this is how it went down last Monday in the game planning meeting:

Steelers DC: "Fitzpatrick has been on fire in Tampa, how are we going to stop him?"

Tomlin: "Fitzpatrick, the guy who used to play for the Jets?"

Steelers DC: "Yeah that guy, he's been incredible."

Tomlin:  "You sure?  The Jet's guy?"

Steelers DC: "Yes"

Tomlin: "Just blitz his ass.  Ok, what are we doing on offense."

And he was right, that was it, that was all it took.  There's a reason Fitz bounced all over, he can't handle the blitz.  Then just as you think, Tomlin is a genius I remember 1/8/2012 and yelling at the TV: "Why are you blitzing Tebow, make him throw the ball, he can't throw the ball, make him do it."  Against Tebow, hell you should drop 11 in coverage, ok maybe 8 in coverage and 3 at the line to chase him down when he runs, and BOOM, the guys is a minor league baseball player of no note.

So what is it?  Is he a genius or just get's lucky more than 50% of the time?  I really don't know.

Pats look just as bad as they did last year at this time.  I'm not going to take part in the annual exercise of writing them off.

The Fins should be 3-0 based on who they've played and 4-0 with a game against a Pats team that lost to the Lions seems really possible.  They might back in to something like an 11-5 record this year just based on beating up their division.

Seems I don't have to watch the Jags after all, they are who we thought they were.

I can't figure out any upside to the Jets playing Darnold right now, none.  Throw McCown in there to start the season, waiting until he gets hurt or blows up, and then you move Darnold in.  Not like this was going to be a playoff team that just needed an extra spark to go from 10 to 12 wins.  I think if McCown  was playing they Jets would be 3-0.

Speaking of 3-0.  Great coaches can make changes to the game plan in the middle of the game, they are rare and most of them were named Walsh.  Good coaches make changes at half time, and that's why how a team plays to start the 3rd quarter is such a good indicator of the quality of coaching.  Some coaches can make changes before the next game.  Most coaches take 2-3 games to figure things out.  Andy Reid makes changes in the offseason.

I didn't get to see much of the 49er game, the Saints game was too exciting, but I remember how last year started for the Chiefs.  They were pre-crowned Super Bowl winners, they'd already beaten the Pats and the Eagles, they are 5-0 and Alex Smith was the greatest QB in history.  Then Reid got out game planned by Tomlin, and for whatever reason forgot that the Chiefs where the team that dug up the video on San Jose State vs Fresno State and knew that if you just play cover two against Carr he'll never check down and force the ball into interceptions.  No, Reid made a mid-season change, I'll give you that, but he changes from something that worked and the rest of the league copied, to something that didn't.  They then back into the playoffs and are out in one week.  Don't get too excited in KC.

Last Monday watching the Bears I thought, "this team might make the playoffs and not score more than 20 points in a game on offense all year. "  Gives me a reason to watch the Bears I guess.

There's one big change for this year, We're back to taking Sunday's off.  I just decided to have the girls cover the tasting room completely on Sunday.  We had a TV out there but the times I was busiest were right as the games where ending at 12:45 and 3:45.  I felt like I didn't see a fourth quarter last year.  So, Kermit goes on the stereo at 9:15, Fay's Bloody Mary's at 9:50, and we are locked down for football.  Stop by if you're in the area, I'm in the backyard.

stefaniawine posted:

I didn't get to watch anything completely except for the Saints v Falcons.  I did get most of the Bucs v Steelers game and a good portion of the Sunday night game.

The Falcons used last years plan against the Saints, they just avoided Lattimore.  Still a huge problem to get fixed, but playing the Giants should help them look better on defense.

To me Tomlin has always been an enigma, I just can't figure out where to put him as a coach.  I'm sure this is how it went down last Monday in the game planning meeting:

Steelers DC: "Fitzpatrick has been on fire in Tampa, how are we going to stop him?"

Tomlin: "Fitzpatrick, the guy who used to play for the Jets?"

Steelers DC: "Yeah that guy, he's been incredible."

Tomlin:  "You sure?  The Jet's guy?"

Steelers DC: "Yes"

Tomlin: "Just blitz his ass.  Ok, what are we doing on offense."

And he was right, that was it, that was all it took.  There's a reason Fitz bounced all over, he can't handle the blitz.  Then just as you think, Tomlin is a genius I remember 1/8/2012 and yelling at the TV: "Why are you blitzing Tebow, make him throw the ball, he can't throw the ball, make him do it."  Against Tebow, hell you should drop 11 in coverage, ok maybe 8 in coverage and 3 at the line to chase him down when he runs, and BOOM, the guys is a minor league baseball player of no note.

So what is it?  Is he a genius or just get's lucky more than 50% of the time?  I really don't know.

Pats look just as bad as they did last year at this time.  I'm not going to take part in the annual exercise of writing them off.

The Fins should be 3-0 based on who they've played and 4-0 with a game against a Pats team that lost to the Lions seems really possible.  They might back in to something like an 11-5 record this year just based on beating up their division.

Seems I don't have to watch the Jags after all, they are who we thought they were.

I can't figure out any upside to the Jets playing Darnold right now, none.  Throw McCown in there to start the season, waiting until he gets hurt or blows up, and then you move Darnold in.  Not like this was going to be a playoff team that just needed an extra spark to go from 10 to 12 wins.  I think if McCown  was playing they Jets would be 3-0.

Speaking of 3-0.  Great coaches can make changes to the game plan in the middle of the game, they are rare and most of them were named Walsh.  Good coaches make changes at half time, and that's why how a team plays to start the 3rd quarter is such a good indicator of the quality of coaching.  Some coaches can make changes before the next game.  Most coaches take 2-3 games to figure things out.  Andy Reid makes changes in the offseason.

I didn't get to see much of the 49er game, the Saints game was too exciting, but I remember how last year started for the Chiefs.  They were pre-crowned Super Bowl winners, they'd already beaten the Pats and the Eagles, they are 5-0 and Alex Smith was the greatest QB in history.  Then Reid got out game planned by Tomlin, and for whatever reason forgot that the Chiefs where the team that dug up the video on San Jose State vs Fresno State and knew that if you just play cover two against Carr he'll never check down and force the ball into interceptions.  No, Reid made a mid-season change, I'll give you that, but he changes from something that worked and the rest of the league copied, to something that didn't.  They then back into the playoffs and are out in one week.  Don't get too excited in KC.

Last Monday watching the Bears I thought, "this team might make the playoffs and not score more than 20 points in a game on offense all year. "  Gives me a reason to watch the Bears I guess.

There's one big change for this year, We're back to taking Sunday's off.  I just decided to have the girls cover the tasting room completely on Sunday.  We had a TV out there but the times I was busiest were right as the games where ending at 12:45 and 3:45.  I felt like I didn't see a fourth quarter last year.  So, Kermit goes on the stereo at 9:15, Fay's Bloody Mary's at 9:50, and we are locked down for football.  Stop by if you're in the area, I'm in the backyard.

If I didn't enjoy your wine so much I'd suggest you switch careers and start commentating full time.

Bears are finally fun to watch again.  Unfortunately, they aren't on here much in Columbus.  Was just looking at  the their defensive stats and thus far they have 8 ints and 3 fumble recoveries.  The past two years, the Bears had 8 ints each season.  And they've already matched the number of takeaways they had during 2016 season. 

I am enjoying watching the Browns though.  Still frustrating to watch, but at least they have a chance. 

You know, every single time I sit down and actually get to watch an extended amount of a Dolphins game I can't figure out how in the hell they've won any football games.  Last year the only time I really saw them play was vs the Saints when they couldn't even cross the 50 yard line.  It looked like the same team Sunday.  I'll take payouts from any Fins fans who want me to not watch because it seems they can score if I'm not tuned in.

Two great examples of bad coaching in two of the other games I watched.  Giants have way too much talent at the skill positions to play that bad. The Saints had their way with them in the second half.  Shurmur had a good plan coming in and the Giants marched right down the field to score first, then did nothing the rest of the game on offense.  On defense they limited the Saints to field goals in the first half then did nothing in the second half.  No adjustments were made, and Payton and Dennis Allen out coached the Giants.  If Dennis Allen out coaches you, you suck.

Who the hell is calling the plays in Denver?  There are 6 minutes left, you have a 3 point lead.  You're playing a team in the bottom 5 in rushing defense who have given up over 7 yards a carry to you all night and show no signs of being able to stop you.  What do you do?  Throw a couple passes and go 3 and out of course, running 35 seconds off the clock.  Sure Keenum missed a pass even Tim Tebow could have made (maybe), but they should have never been in that situation.

Who saw that coming in Chicago?  Man that Bucs defense is bad, but still, now I need some other excuse to watch the Bears.  Maybe just the joy of knowing that Gruden is exposed as the stubborn idiot he is every time Mack takes the field and the Bears dominate on defense is reason enough

Enjoy all.  I'll catch about 1/2 the game tonight.  I'm watching the Fins for the early game Sunday unless I get a payoff, then I'm watching the Titans.  Niners with the late game, and I'm already sick of watching the Cowboys so baseball might win out on Sunday.  Gumbo, Red Beans and Rice and Abita at my place Monday starting at 4 PM.  Make it if you can.

I watched most of the Titans v Bills.  Man I wish I had those three hours back.  Titans might be the most disappointing franchise right now to me. They have an easy schedule the rest of the year, but what a terrible performance against the Bills.

I did watch the Texans v Cowboys.  The problem is not that the Cowboys didn't go for it on 4th down, the problem is their best QB and best TE are in the broadcast booth calling games.  The window was small for them being maxed out on the Salary Cap and it looks like that window is now closed.

I admire the 49ers for trying to bring back the statue of liberty play, but it's not supposed to be the other team that grabs the ball from the QB's hands.  Work on that this week in practice.

Browns are on a role!  I just hope I don't have to watch them anymore this year.  That game winner was the worst kick I've seen at a level above high school JV football.  How do you have like 50 bazzilion dollars in cap space and not have a freaking good kicker?  Usually you pull guys off the scrap pile and practice squads when you've got no room to sign anyone good.

And then there where the Saints.  You know what I said about not knowing anything before week 4?  Well one well known 'power ranking' had the Saints as the lowest 1 loss team two weeks ago, 9 full spots behind the Dolphins.  In what universe have the Dolphins been 9 spots better than the Saints this year?  Do those people watch football games?  A word of advice for you kids out there.  If you're on a defense that just got beat up for 43 points in a 43-19 loss and you couldn't force a punt all game - - - stay off twitter.  

so.......The media spends all week beating the crap out of Beckham because he's right?  My opinion only but I really think we need to stop punishing people in this country for saying things that are truthful, and should be fairly obvious.  Calling out your boss for doing a poor job being one of those things.  Oh and I know, team loyalty and all that bull shit.  Ask Ereck Flowers if loyality is a two way street.  Why do we expect employees to be loyal to a company that won't return the favor?  What a stink hole in New York, and they're on prime time again this week.  It's like punishment for all of us.

http://www.espn.com/blog/oakla...ive-under-jon-gruden

Good read this morning with telling stats buried in there.  Summary - Carr does a poor job throwing down field and his receivers drop passes.  In truth I couldn't watch the entire Raiders game, it was too painful.    The thing is I don't think it's a huge thing to fix Carr.  He needs a more straight forward playbook than whatever Gruden has him doing.  He needs to focus on reading coverages and making adjustments at the line, not in the huddle.  He needs to spend some time watching film of Brees and Rogers, how they look off safeties and freeze corners.  Basically learn not to throw into double coverage and help out your receivers in getting separation.  That's it.  That's probably three more things than Gruden could remember though.

Compare that to Kyle Shanahan. Last year Beathard looked like a basket case.  A year of good coaching and he's not great, but what a huge difference.  Shanahan turned what could have been a blown 3rd round pick into at least a 2nd rounder and maybe even a late 1st rounder to some desperate stupid team out there.

Bears v Fins, Pats v Chiefs and Niners v Pack, three great games to watch.  Compared to any game a team from the AFC South is in, man what a bunch of sad ass teams.  One of them will get into the playoffs, and completely not deserve it.  

FInal thought, I can't believe Sean McDermott is still employed.   Last year vs the Saints his team gets slaughtered.  298 rushing yards allowed, and as I remember 24 consecutive rushing plays that resulted in three touchdowns.  His solution to this defensive disaster is to pull his QB.  The Saints pull all their defensive starters and drop into prevent defense to run out the clock.  Nathan Peterman, the back UP QB complete's 7 of 9 against the Saints backups  and scores a touchdown.  So the take away for McDermott is he's got a lot of work to do on defense, the run especially right?  No he makes Peterman the starter, of course you probably remember him setting an NFL record by throwing 5 interceptions in the first half the next week.

Chalk it up to a brain fart and move on, but no somehow not only does Peterman stay on the roster this year, he's actually a starter.  How as a franchise do you get in that position?  So the Texans stage an amazing comeback because they're facing the dumbest coach and the worst quarterback in the NFL.  The punch line is they still needed a miracle comeback.

Well Peterman was technically the week one starter and there's no way he should have even been on an NFL roster.  What a wreck, the Bills have dropped themselves into the bottom level of the league.  Hard to even imagine they were a playoff team a year ago and consistently around 500.  Probably the worst thing though is in an organization and with a coaching staff so utterly clueless about quarterbacks, Allen is being set up for failure big time, and my take was he was the prospect that needed the most help.

Read a great quote to the effect: "What Gruden needed was someone with an even shorter attention span than himself to unload Cooper on and fortunately there's Jerry Jones out there who has the football smarts of a fruit fly."  Get ready Dallas fans for the fun and excitement of someone who can't run a route or catch a football.  He's fast though, and from Alabama so he must be good right? 

I do delight in the continued unmasking of Gruden as a complete moron every week though, man I hated him on Monday Night Football.   What an ass kissing tool.  Now it's worth tuning in to a match up as uninspiring as Giants v Falcons just to listed to Booger McFarland.  I could use more Booger on NFL broadcasts.

It's painful to watch the 49ers every week.  -15 in turnover margin.  The coaching staff has to be held accountable for that.  I look at the Eagles and see 8 fumbles lost and think if they get that fixed they're back in the top group, then I look at the Niners and there's 10 interceptions on top of the 8 fumbles, you can't beat anyone like that.

Saints game was fun, what a killer schedule.  Vikings next then Rams.  The highlight of this week is that neither the Cowboys or Giants are in prime time.  What's the line though for Monday night?  I think I wouldn't take the Bills without getting at least 28 points.

Pop up poll; what is the bigger lie?

A. " I have 4 offers I don't even have to interview for"  Williams.

B. "I get a lot of phone calls from guys dying to come play here".  Gruden.

If you're a fan of one of those four teams, you hope that's not true of course.  If you're a Raiders fan you hope Gruden was lying or he just cost you a draft pick for tampering.  That no other team has complained, and the NFL has stayed silent about the claim, tells you no one in the NFL except Mark Davis pays any attention to anything Gruden says.

2016 Raiders and Cowboys, 2017 Jags, and this years winner 2018 Texans.  They're 1-1 against teams with winning records, and only play one more team (Washington) currently over 500.  They'll finish 12-4 at worst, and then next year be a sexy Super Bowl pick that finishes, 8-8.  Schedule matters.

I'm going to skip the afternoon game Sunday and work probably.  Saints at 10AM finally.  Bloody Mary's and Kermit start at 9:30 at my place.

So yesterday I got all derivative of Seinfeld.  This was an actual inner monologue I had yesterday:  "It's 3 PM, you're falling asleep in your chair, and you're watching the Raiders,  what are you clinging to?"  I got up and helped out in the Tasting Room.  Quick poll number two.  Which fans are more delusional?

A. Raiders fans who think this was all part of some mastermind plan of Chucky.

B Cowboys fan who after each in -frequent win over a sub 500 team are convinced they're on their way to running off an unbeaten streak and a Super Bowl win.

That's it, I'm not going to watch or pick on the Raiders any more this season, there are plenty of other people doing that.

I thought if the Saints were going to have a game they came out flat on it would be against the Bengals.  It was on the road and the one unemotional game left on the schedule against a 5-3 team.  I was dead wrong about that.  I do have some advice for the league.  Stop making decisions about coaches and players after playing the Saints.  Ok the Bengals defense has been terrible, but no one was going to fix that against the Saints.  If next week you can't stop the Ravens or the Browns after that, ok make a move.  You make a move after playing the Saints and you end up with Peterman as your quarterback.  That 4th quarter touchdown drive Jeff Driskel pulled off, that was exactly a duplicate of what convinced the Bills to make Peterman a starter last year.

I couldn't believe the Panthers looked that bad against the Steelers.  That was shocking.

I'm looking forward to the Niners game tonight, with two evenly matched train wrecks playing it should be fun.  Ok one last Gruden dig I read this morning.  Last week Nick Mullens kept trying to talk back into his helmet when they would give him plays.  Finally one of the other players told him it's a one way mic and no one could hear him.  Gruden lost 34-3 to a guy who didn't know how his helmet worked.  Yeah I'm sure he's got a master plan.  

jcocktosten posted:

I know the offenses are good, but what kind of defense was that last night?  Saints would score 75 points against those Ds

Non-existing. Funny to see a lot of comments about how great a game it was. To me, it would be a farce of NBA all-star proportions.

Hockey > football.

 

Weren't there 2 pick-6 and a fumble recovery for a touchdown?   The Chiefs have been scoring points all year, and their defense have been giving up almost as many with the exception of 1-2 games. Rams are a very solid team.  I wouldn't use this game to say that the NFL has turned into an NBA.  

Fun week.  Mike McCarthy and Ron Rivera (could be Stan Lee creations when you say them together) uphold the long NFL coaching tradition of not understanding arithmetic. 

Ok, you lose your QB, but how does a team that holds the Patriots to 10 points give up 38 to the Colts?

Giants v Bucs, Raiders v Cardinals, firmly establishes the Cardinals as the worst team in the NFL by a mile.  I know they managed to beat the 49ers twice, but man they suck.

I watched a lot of the Steelers game.  It was like they were uninterested, just cruise through the first 50 minutes and then bury the Jags.  My 8-8 prediction for the Jags looks grossly off.

The Bengals played the Ravens and if no one cared did it still happen?

I enjoy watching the Bears on defense.  Chaos.  It's like an old LA crew offline every week.

Texans on their way to no worse than 12-4 without beating a single team that will finish with a winning record.  Alex Smith, is that the unluckiest guy ever.  He's got a second career as a cooler in Vegas for sure.

Cowboys beat another sub .500 team.  Super Bowl bound for sure!

Who knows what to make of the Chargers.  They got all sexy when everyone realized their only loses were to the Rams and Chiefs.  But then the wins were against the Cards, Niners and Raiders twice, the three worst teams in the league, and then two .500 teams.  It gets tougher for them now and they've not really shown any toughness so far.

Don't worry about the Rams v Chiefs being the future of the NFL.  You need a decent coach and a good QB to pull that off and that eliminates 25 teams right there.  In the end in those situations you have to count on your defense to take the ball away.  The team that does that wins the shootout.

Who dat? 

This week I read an article on Bill James.  The basics of the article was most people don't understand his impact on baseball at all.  It's not that he was a stats guy, or invented new stats, or the famous quote made baseball as fun as doing your taxes.  It was he challenged the bullshit and did it with data.  To me probably the most important thing was he challenged the data (batting average) with other data (OBP and runs created).  Luis Aparicio and Bert Campaneris should have never batted leadoff, that was bullshit, but they did.

Football doesn't have that guy, or anyone really challenging the bullshit and bullshit still rules so many teams.  

Let's take Terik Cohen.  He has all that speed, and 'elusiveness'.  He can 'do it all' with great stats in returns and receiving and he runs that 4.4 - 40 .  So what, he sucks.  Two plays Thanksgiving day.  Play number one, the Lions line up with 4 men down, 1 linemaker and 1 safety at 20 yards.  5 men in the box, 5 out wide.  Easy defense to read, I did it from my couch.  Cohen takes the hand off and bounces outside for a loss.  Outside?  Against 5 men in the box?

Latter, Lions go 4 down, 3 linebackers at 3 yards, safety up and one at 20 yards.  Classic 8 men in the box.  Cohen gets the ball and grinds it right up the middle.  He's hit behind the line but manages a short gain.  He only ran the ball three times, and two he made terrible reads/plays.

Let's take Frank Gore, and his 20,000 yards gained.  Gore has one of the lowest wonderlich scores ever.  I remember watching him run in 2014 and thinking, he was at that point slower than all the punters in the league and probably 3/4 of the place kickers.  I'm pretty sure I could have chased him down from behind.  Maybe right now Janikowski is the only guy slower in the league.

Gore never reads a defense wrong, never.  The last blocking assignment he missed was during the Clinton administration.   He never has to come out of a game because of a down and distance situation, which means he can fire off 8 yard gains on 3rd and 7 even though any one of the cheerleaders could tackle him if they had read the play right.

Last night I watched Colin Kaepernick, disguised as Marcus Mariota play for the Titans.  What a stat line 22-23, 300+ yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions.  He sucked, sucked.....sucked.  Six sacks, and they had little to do with the Texans, he regularly held the ball for 4 even 5 plus seconds.  When he wasn't getting sacked he was scrambling for 2 yard gains.  Exciting, and terrible quarterback play.  Is he fixable?  Do the Titans even know he's broken?  An incompletion is better than a sack, every time.  Someone needs to do the data to stop the bullshit.

That leads to the Jags and the dreaded playoff run that teams playing a 4th place schedule (2016 Cowboys and Raiders, 2017 Jags) get themselves into.  It creates delusion, teams buy into the bullshit.   The Jags needed to rid themselves of Bortles, but the wins and stats created an illusion of success.  Then there's Fournette.  Everyone participates in the bullshit.  He's a great fantasy player, always gets at least 70 yards (usually on 25 carries) and scores touchdowns.  He gets a lot of fantasy points, and somehow realy NFL GM's, who really should know better can't see the bullshit.  He puts your team in 2nd and 9 and 3rd and 8 all the time.  That sets up failure for a QB who struggles with 2nd and 2.  Two wasted top 5 picks.  But the bullshit says they're 'ok'. 

The Jags won last year on turnover margin, something I'm sure even a quick look at the data would show is more luck than anything and subject to correcting back to .500 year over year.  The Jags convinced themselves they had something special.  Maybe they can hire Gruden in a couple years to fix what was always broken, but they refused to see.

patespo1 posted:

How about those Browns!  Nice to have an exciting team to root for again, their youthful roster leaves a lot of reason for hope.  I was completely wrong about Baker Mayfield, which is probably why I'm not in an NFL front office.

You can't ever judge a QB in year one, else Goff would have been out of the league after his first year and RG3 would be in the hall of fame.  It's how he adjusts after the other teams figure him out.  Getting rid of a coach with no history of success developing a QB should help.  The litmus test will be if the Browns even consider keep WIlliams as coach.  If they do, I'd expect a serious sophomore slump.  

The Browns picks this year were not horrible, it was the opportunity cost.  If Mayfield and Ward were their guys, neither is terrible, but they could have gotten them both with the #4 pick and something around #12-#18.  The sexiest trade would have been to the Jets, who showed they were willing to swap 1sts and 3 2nds to move up.  The Browns could have had both their guys and 3 additional second round picks.

thistlintom posted:

Dark Prescott had a great first year, then fell off in year 2 as Paul suggests happens, now he coming back and looking good again.  He may be a keeper

Of course having an elite receiver like Cooper since he joined the team - who is playing like it again helps

jcocktosten posted:
flwino posted:
jcocktosten posted:

Dolphins/Pats game was unexpected.

What college used that play a few years ago?  Had same result.  For the live of me, I forgot.

Boise State - reason they call the play Boise

That was beautiful and to pull it off against the Pats was just sooooo sweet.

steve8 posted:
jcocktosten posted:
flwino posted:
jcocktosten posted:

Dolphins/Pats game was unexpected.

What college used that play a few years ago?  Had same result.  For the live of me, I forgot.

Boise State - reason they call the play Boise

That was beautiful and to pull it off against the Pats was just sooooo sweet.

Sure was.  Watching Gronk stumble around was awesome.  That said, Pats should have put that game away - sack at the end of the 1st half was crazy 

Right around 15 seems like the right spot for Prescott.  Actually somewhere between 12 and 18 on any given Sunday.  His value is how he ranks relative to cap hit.  Thinking about it off the top of my head I might put him top 3.  I think Brees and Brady deliver for their huge hit.  Rodgers I think is the best QB in the league but his cap hit and the Packers personnel ineptitude results in a 5 win team.  Does that make sense? 

Brees was a top QB 2014-2016, but his hit on the cap and the Saints personnel moves made three 7-9 teams so you could argue to value he was not a top 10 QB those years.   Last year Case Keenum was a valuable player, this year he is not.

The Cowboys have about 45 million in cap space next year, and they've said they want to extend him early.  If they do they're sure to pay him like a top 5 QB instead of a top 18 QB.  The likely result is a 25 million + hit.  That leaves little room to extend Elliot, and resign Lawrence.   It seems you can do two of those things but not all three, which means you leave Elliot on a rookie contract, something very unpopular with star players, or you don't resign Lawrence.  The other alternatives are letting go of one of those high priced OL contracts, or deciding an injured all the time Sean Lee isn't worth $10m.  

In any event your team is getting worse around Prescott not better, and there's no room to sign any FA's outside the organization.   In 2019 you're getting a 20-25 slot in the draft, and a division champ schedule, so things don't get easier.  A harder schedule with a less talented team, doesn't make for a promising 2019.

The next year you're going to have to pay Elliot one way or another, and Cooper comes due.  Huge cuts elsewhere will have to happen to keep those guys around.

That's the thing about  QB's and the cap hit.  If you're going to take a huge hit, they must deliver because other parts of the team are going to suffer.  They have to be great to make up for what you're giving up.  

stefaniawine posted:

Right around 15 seems like the right spot for Prescott.  Actually somewhere between 12 and 18 on any given Sunday.  His value is how he ranks relative to cap hit.  Thinking about it off the top of my head I might put him top 3.  I think Brees and Brady deliver for their huge hit.  Rodgers I think is the best QB in the league but his cap hit and the Packers personnel ineptitude results in a 5 win team.  Does that make sense? 

 

I don't agree he's a Top 3 QB relative to his cap value.  Thinking about all the young QBs out there and are winning, there's Goff, Mahomes, Wentz off the top of my head.  Dak is more in line with Trubitsky.  

doubled posted:
stefaniawine posted:

Right around 15 seems like the right spot for Prescott.  Actually somewhere between 12 and 18 on any given Sunday.  His value is how he ranks relative to cap hit.  Thinking about it off the top of my head I might put him top 3.  I think Brees and Brady deliver for their huge hit.  Rodgers I think is the best QB in the league but his cap hit and the Packers personnel ineptitude results in a 5 win team.  Does that make sense? 

 

I don't agree he's a Top 3 QB relative to his cap value.  Thinking about all the young QBs out there and are winning, there's Goff, Mahomes, Wentz off the top of my head.  Dak is more in line with Trubitsky.  

exactly

Ah I see what I did, I implied it was Brees, Brady, Prescott as the top three.   I was trying to use Brees, Brady and Rodgers as an example of value relative to cap hit,  not say that Brees, Brady, Prescott was my ranking.  Sometimes you need an editor.

Wentz and Goff both have hits around 7.5 million, Prescott's is like $700k.  I think this year he's outplayed Wentz.  I may be biased there because my most obvious comparison is how each performed against the Saints.  Mahomes hit is around 2.5 million.   Goff has sucked it up the past two weeks, so I was thinking relative to cap space he'd moved ahead of him.  I think about it this way: Prescott and a 7 million dollar OLman is much better value than Wentz has been this year.  How in the world did I get defending Dak Prescott?  Tony Romo is still a better QB sitting in the booth right now, but the Cowboys can't pay him.

Prescott's 'suck line' is pretty horrible this year 7/48/6 (interceptions, sacks, fumbles lost), not indicative of a good QB.  I've been asked to write something about 'suck line' that might get published.  I'm trying to figure out a good way to weight it and not just add it up.  ( a lost fumble is worse that a sack, but how much worse?)  It's a pretty telling stat, I just need to figure out how to weight it, and maybe factor out marginal irregularities (A QB on a team trailing often is going to get sacked much more than one on a team leading, all else being equal).  Anyway for your entertainment this afternoon:

Brees = 4/13/1 (freaking amazing)

Rodgers = 1/39/2 (there's the impact of always being behind in the sack totals I think, plus the injury)

Brady = 8/18/2

Mahomes = 11/23/2

Goff = 11/29/3 (that's a lot of sacks for a QB leading all the time, and not having mobility issues like Rodgers)

Wentz = 7/31/6

Prescott = 7/48/6

Wilson = 6/39/2

Mariota = 8/39/2 (really bad considering that's not a full 13 games)

Bortles = 6/39/2

stefaniawine posted:
patespo1 posted:

How about those Browns!  Nice to have an exciting team to root for again, their youthful roster leaves a lot of reason for hope.  I was completely wrong about Baker Mayfield, which is probably why I'm not in an NFL front office.

You can't ever judge a QB in year one, else Goff would have been out of the league after his first year and RG3 would be in the hall of fame.  It's how he adjusts after the other teams figure him out.  Getting rid of a coach with no history of success developing a QB should help.  The litmus test will be if the Browns even consider keep WIlliams as coach.  If they do, I'd expect a serious sophomore slump.  

The Browns picks this year were not horrible, it was the opportunity cost.  If Mayfield and Ward were their guys, neither is terrible, but they could have gotten them both with the #4 pick and something around #12-#18.  The sexiest trade would have been to the Jets, who showed they were willing to swap 1sts and 3 2nds to move up.  The Browns could have had both their guys and 3 additional second round picks.

To be clear, I agree about judging Baker on his on-field abilities is premature. 

When the Browns drafted him, I thought he was a cocky hot-head that would alienate his older teammates, when in fact he has been the complete opposite.  Full of confidence and swagger, he actually has all of his teammates loving the way he is on and off the field. 

Having lived through Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Brady Quinn, Johnny Manziel, etc. etc., Baker has been refreshing to watch. 

patespo1 posted:

When the Browns drafted him, I thought he was a cocky hot-head that would alienate his older teammates, when in fact he has been the complete opposite.  Full of confidence and swagger, he actually has all of his teammates loving the way he is on and off the field. 

Having lived through Tim Couch, Charlie Frye, Brady Quinn, Johnny Manziel, etc. etc., Baker has been refreshing to watch. 

I started discounting the cocky thing in 1979.  It was the dig against Joe Montana, so obviously not important.  One doesn't get to be an NFL QB without it and there seems to be no correlation with that commentary and success or failure.  (Montana and Ryan Leaf).  The thing you want to look out for is: "He's just a winner, and knows how to win".  That means he's coming from a good program and has obvious flaws and weaknesses (Manzel). 

doubled posted:

While your "suck line" (interceptions/sacks/fumbles) is a good indicator, you still need the eye test to confirm.  Bortles should be at the Bottom 5 of any starting QB rankings.  

Bortles numbers are pretty bad and he also only has 10 1/2 games.  This started for me on the Saints board when I defended the position that Brees' suck numbers are deflated by the Saints having 11+ point leads for large stretches.  He rarely is forced into throwing situations or situations where he has to hold the ball or force the ball in. 

I used Bortles as an example.  In the first 4 games of the year when the Jags went 3-1 and he was never really forced into a throwing situation.  His line:

3/6/0

The next four games the Jags get blown out and he's forced to throw from behind.  His line:

5/12/3

He was benched in one of those games also after two fumbles, or the numbers would be even worse.  Over a full season that's 12/24/0 (very good) vs 20/48/12 (very bad)

For Brees it turns out the numbers are about the same in close games vs blow outs, so I'm thinking the spread might be a good indicator of how good a QB is.  Great QB's perform well under all situations.  Seems like an obvious statement, but then you have SI writing an article about Mariota that he had a good game against the Texans and quoting the traditional stat line 22/23/303/2/0.  Mariota's suck line was 0/6/0  Not a good game, and failed the eyeball test for sure.

Reid has always struggled to make halftime or in game adjustments to his game plan.  He got out coached, just like Tomlin did the week before.  Impressive back to back performances by Anthony Lynn who basically came out at half time each game and made his counterpart look like a fool each time.  I was unimpressed with the Chargers given their schedule, but have flipped on that.  They'll be very tough in the playoffs.

I've always called that coaching the John Thompson effect.  No one could recruit, train and prepare a team like John Thompson.   Then any junior high coach with a working knowledge of the game could out coach him once the ball was tipped off.

Good slate of games this weekend.  Saints v Steelers should be a lot of fun.

And just when it's been weeks since I've made fun of The Gru, he goes out and offers a tryout to the worst QB in the history of the NFL. 

irwin posted:

no love for the Ravens out here?

 

I thought of all the teams I watched the Saints play the Ravens easily had the best defense.  The Saints scored 24 points on them, but it was a brutal nasty 24 points.  I didn't see a better defensive team this year.  They're the only team going to the playoffs with a negative takeaway ratio.   That should scare a lot of teams.  It means if they win the takeaway battle, and they've only had 14 this year, you can't beat them.  Based on their ratio last year I would have predicted the Ravens to be 2 to 3 games worse than 2017 (they should have been 10-6 or 11-5 based on leading the league in 2017).  They're going to be no worse than 9-7 (same as last year) with a drop of 22 in takeaway ratio.  That's a really good football team. 

It also paints a really positive picture for next year, especially if they can get Flaco off the books.  He's 16 million in dead cap space, but he's the very definition of dead space.  I mean you don't go back to him at this point right?  Do you think if the Ravens win a playoff game or two Marty Mornhinweg can finally shake of the ghost of Matt Millen and Ty Detmer and get another shot at head coaching?  

thistlintom posted:

Bears fans have embarrassed themselves with the reactions after the missed field goal.

Not surprising at all. Having been to a number of Bears games, i’ve seen a lot of questionable behavior in person including brawls walking to the parking lots after games. I certainly wouldn’t recommend fans of visiting teams to wear opponent jerseys there unless walking in groups of four. Hardcore sports “fans” can be huge dickheads. 

I'm sure every other team was glad to see the Ravens go.  I missed most of the first game Saturday, but then it was done in the first quarter.  I've called the Texans overrated all season, but wasn't expecting that big of a dump from them.  That's the danger of a running QB, if you fall behind, and need them to work from the pocket, well that's not their game.  Think you can say the same about the Raven's, that and turnovers doomed them.  

The Seahawks play calling was mystifying.   Wilson was in 3rd and long ever single sequence it seemed like but Carroll kept running it up the gut on first down.  

Poor Bears.  The conversation last night was if their kicker passes Bartman on the all time Chicago goat list.  They're the top contender for 8-8 next year so really need a win.

I think Deshaun Watson is a winner.  Although there is room for improvement in his accuracy, the main problem he had were the injuries to Fuller and Thomas to draw some coverage away from Hopkins.  

Ravens had a nice run, but I thought the Steelers would have given a better game even without Brown.     Although their defense is nice, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me.

I agree with the Seahawks' play-calling that was a perplexing.  Then again, Brian Shottenheimer is the OC.  You only need to look at the Jets from 5 years ago to understand the predictable calls.

The Bears-Eagles was pretty boring until the last 10 minutes (unless you were a fan of one of the teams).  After looking at replays, I don't know how you can blame the kicker since the kick was deflected.    

Interesting perspective Stefaniawine of pretty muchblaming the victim in every game. Indy took it to Houston and Luck was great. SD did the same to the Ravens. Tend to agree on Seattle as they were way too conservative. Philly could have been up double digits in the first half and dominated the play from nearly start to finish with free exceptions. Shouldn't have  come down to a fg if not for a few dropped Ints and a couple odd ones by Foles.

 

It was a great weekend of football. The winners won the action in their games and all deserved to win if you look at the balance of power over four quarters in each game. On to the next round.

bomba503 posted:

Interesting perspective Stefaniawine of pretty muchblaming the victim in every game.

Humm - I don't think I did that at all.  Every team I expected to win did win and for the reasons I expected them too.  The only disappointment to me was how poorly Seattle played in the second half.  I thought that was going to be the best game of the weekend and it wasn't.  

I've called the Texans overrated since about week 6.  I haven't written much about the Colts, but they've been the hottest team over the last 10 weeks and only a face plant against the Jags stands out.  I thought the Texans defense was better than to let Luck have his way with them on the first couple of drives, it wasn't and it was a hole they were not going to get out of.  When the Colts went up 21 I stopped watching and went to the tasting room, I knew the Texans offense couldn't come back from that.

As much grief as I've given the Cowboys about their offense, they're defense has been great.  I just expected the Seahawks to cut loose and let Wilson run around like he does, making it an exciting game.

The Ravens I said needed to not turn the ball over to win.  They turned it over 3 times for a -2 and never had a chance.  The defense was amazing holding the Chargers to 4 field goals up against a short field time and time again, but the offense needed to be mistake free to have a chance.  I underrated the Chargers about mid season when they'd not beaten anyone yet, but I'm really impressed with their coaching and they have a great chance to move on against the Pats.

I've been critical of the Bears offense all season, and the offense let them down.  The defense won the the takeaway battle, held the Eagles to 16 points, and the offense let the team down.  

I mean scan up it's all there.  Week 2 or 3 I'm joking the Bears might not score 20 points on offense in any game all season (they did of course).  Around week 8-9 I'm saying the Eagles are still a really good team, they're just dogged with a killer schedule and turnover problems.  I say if they fix the turnovers they can get in the playoffs.  They had a loosing record at the time.

The teams that won, won because they took advantage of their opponents weaknesses and played to their strengths.  I do feel sorry for all my friends in Chicago because they've been cursed with bad football for so long, and I know had so much hope this year.  I also know they'll be back at 500 next year, so I feel bad for them.  This was their shot to win a playoff game and it might be a couple years before they get another one.

When the Eagles wasted two plays with Sproles running up the middle with zero chance of success - while I knew they wanted to run the clock - I thought they were going to blow it.  Then the 3rd down incompletion, I really thought they had blown it.  Would have been some major second-guessing of the play calling if Foles and Tate did not get that 4th down play for the TD

jcocktosten posted:

When the Eagles wasted two plays with Sproles running up the middle with zero chance of success - while I knew they wanted to run the clock - I thought they were going to blow it.  Then the 3rd down incompletion, I really thought they had blown it.  Would have been some major second-guessing of the play calling if Foles and Tate did not get that 4th down play for the TD

Funny I thought that's our Doug. He knows exactly what he's doing! Force Chicago to burn two timeouts then score on 3rd or 4th down leaving a young QB a running clock with under a minute to play. I have supreme confidence in Foles.

The first time I saw him live he scored a TD on the last play of the game on the road against TB for the win with no time left. Ironically it was essentially the same play he ran to Tate on Sunday. 

The second time I saw him play live he threw 7 TD passes to take down the Raiders in Oakland.

The third time I saw him play live he beat the Rams a few weeks ago when few Gave him a chance.

Of course, he also delivered the Super Bowl title we Philly fans have coveted forever.

There's a bit of magic there. Defying all logic I just believe in Saint Nick!

We believe in the magic! True story, My friend and I bumped our lucky Saint Nick hats before the play and the field goal attempt. that's all it took!FB4622A0-C860-41A8-835F-CCE931A8217E

FWIW we were playing with house money. After winning last year, the team can play even looser and more aggressive. Playing with no pressure and nothing to lose makes a difference 

 

Do you think Foles is better than Wentz?

I didn't think the play calling was all that weird.  Sproles is safe and just figured they were forcing the Bears to burn the timeouts as well.  Could have been the bourbon shots though keeping me from getting too excited.

I'm always a Browns doubter but canning Williams and not even considering him for the job, well they're getting much, much smarter.  

I disagree the runs had zero chance. If you expected pass why wouldn't the bears also have to consider that. Take a couple shots and if you don't get in you burn clock/timeouts.

I think Wentz is easily the better QB and way to go long term. What I think Foles does very well is read defenses, make quick decisions and he usually gets rid of the ball in under 3 seconds. That comes with experience. Wentz is still young and uses his legs to buy time to pass. In time he will learn to read defenses better/quicker, make quicker decisions and be a great QB. If he doesn't get killed first like most mobile qb's 

bomba503 posted:

I disagree the runs had zero chance. If you expected pass why wouldn't the bears also have to consider that. Take a couple shots and if you don't get in you burn clock/timeouts.

I think Wentz is easily the better QB and way to go long term. What I think Foles does very well is read defenses, make quick decisions and he usually gets rid of the ball in under 3 seconds. That comes with experience. Wentz is still young and uses his legs to buy time to pass. In time he will learn to read defenses better/quicker, make quicker decisions and be a great QB. If he doesn't get killed first like most mobile qb's 

Sproles had what a 100 yards for the entire season rushing?  He is a good receiver but a sub-par rusher at this point of his career - the eagles had a total of 40 yards rushing all game and a 1.something yard per rush avg.  Perhaps zero is a little low, but the chances of them scoring with 2 Sproles rushes up the middle were extremely low

FYI, Sproles was injured, missed nearly all of the regular season and all of last season. He is now healthy. He only played the last few games. They typically give him 5 to 10 touches a game when healthy and on punt returns. He is a much more effective runner than you think and Ive watched nearly every game since he's been here. Averages about 4 yds / carry

He said this was gonna be his last but now is thinking of coming back for one more

All good things must end.. What a great run the last two seasons never to be forgotten. No one gave us a chance in NO and if Pederson hadn't turned into Reid after the first quarter getting too conservative and mismanaging the clock I may have been going back to the colosseum

 

Hope Brees gets another ring

One last thing to add. Philly fans always get such a bad name much of which is well earned. This year they are standing by and sticking up for Ashlon Jeffrey after the drop which ended the game. Quite a different respone than the lovable Bear's fans who threw Cody Parkey under a bus and havent stopped driving over him again and again.

A little late but my thoughts on Sproles are that he was the safe veteran.  There was no chance he was going to fumble and no chance he'd decide to try and bounce something outside for an extra 1/2 yard and end up out of bounds.  There was also a good chance his presence would 'fool' the Bears.  I know in his last couple of years with the Saints teams used his presence on the field as a signal the Saints were passing and they'd disregard the run.  Maybe the Eagles were hoping to get the Bears with 6 DBs in? 

We had a good party here Sunday for what turned out to be the only half way exciting game.  I was surprised the Eagles threw at Lattimore.  My opinion is he's the best CB in football and most teams just don't throw at him, especially if the can get a slot WR or TE on Williams.  I don't know if Foles didn't see the switch, or just ignored it but to me the game flipped when he threw the first interception to Lattimore who was 1 x 1 with Ertz.  Maybe he thought it was WIlliams in coverage I don't know.  After that point the Eagles had 92 yards in offense and the Saints had 397.

One thing I've learned about Dennis Allen is his defense seems to always come in and have a rough start.  Doesn't seem to matter who they play, teams have success to start the game.  He makes adjustments though, just not sure why he can't seem to start a game off well.

Agree on Sproles and the team that should have won did so this past weekend.

Lots of questionable calls out of the Andy Reid playbook. Calling a time out with a few seconds left before  halftime when NO was about to get a delay of game penalty. Mismanaging the clock and not letting the clock hit the 2:00 warning so Nick and Dougie could talk about what they wanted to do on that final drive. These were two biggies that had me screaming at my TV. There were others but those two seemed obvious. The game was well within reach and we let you off the hook. Good luck ahead and I hope Drew gets another ring. Real good guy

last point. We can safely put the QB question to bed now. Wentz would've put up at least 20 in that game. 

bomba503 posted:

Agree on Sproles and the team that should have won did so this past weekend.

Lots of questionable calls out of the Andy Reid playbook. Calling a time out with a few seconds left before  halftime when NO was about to get a delay of game penalty. Mismanaging the clock and not letting the clock hit the 2:00 warning so Nick and Dougie could talk about what they wanted to do on that final drive. These were two biggies that had me screaming at my TV. There were others but those two seemed obvious. The game was well within reach and we let you off the hook. Good luck ahead and I hope Drew gets another ring. Real good guy

last point. We can safely put the QB question to bed now. Wentz would've put up at least 20 in that game. 

I only hope he makes it through a season without serious injury

I will predict that Wentz will miss 2-4 games next year.  I know carrying a backup QB at more than $10M/yr puts a lot of pressure on your roster, but Foles has proven himself.   

I am hoping the Steelers find a couple of sucker teams to trade for Brown and send a couple of first and second picks.

Would love to keep Nick around if possible. Guy doesn't need the money, can sit in the back up seat and collect millions more while preserving his health and he's a folk lore hero. Guy could live off local endorsements the rest of his life there. Seau never should have left SD

That was one of the most boring Super Bowl games I've watched since the 49ers and Cowboys were playing the Bills and Broncos in the 90s.

Random thoughts:

1) Saints players and fans must still be livid after last night.  I thought the refs handed the SB to the Patriots two weeks ago after the missed call.

2) What the heck happened to Gurley?

3) What the heck happened to the genius-boy wonder McVey?  With two weeks to game plan, he couldn't come up with better plays?  The Patriots had 4 losses to teams that didn't make the playoffs.  They were beatable this year! 

doubled posted:

Or the pass interference gets called on the Pats defender on that play ... if it were the other way around, the flag would definitely have been pulled.  

Just watched the play again and disagree that it was PI or that it would have been called if it were the Pats.  Neither Pat even touched him until the ball was there, nor were their arms in the air.  And Tony would have said so if that was the case.  He just dropped it.

doubled posted:

If it were the other way around, the flag would have come out and there is no way to challenge it.  Just saying.  Pats get the benefit of the doubt.

Ball is in his hands and one Patriot arm is reaching out, the other Pat isn't touching him.  Video is clearer. See no one calling it PI today.  And the refs aren't the same ones who were in Nawlins!  ;-) 

No PI!

 

 

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