Not good for fans of those sports, but I wonder if hockey would get a nice (and hopefully permanent) boost in interest if both of the other leagues don't start on time.
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It would get additional fan interest and support but to what extent would depend on the market considered. The Red Wings always will outdo the Lions but when LA finally gets its NFL team again it will dominate instantly. A great game of hockey always will have my attention.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Cancun:
The Red Wings always will outdo the Lions
This is not true. The Red Wings do not outdo the Lions even now. It may be Hockeytown, but I still consider the Tigers & Lions to be bigger than the Red Wings. I know the Lions had issues with not selling out games over the past few years, but that is due to Millen sucking the life out of the team, fans, etc. If they have half a pulse (which they do now), the support for the team is huge. Once the Lions get into the playoffs and make a run (yes, I'm a believer!), that town will go bananas.
No. Hockey will never be more than a red headed step child sport south of the mimik curtain.quote:Originally posted by billhike:
Not good for fans of those sports, but I wonder if hockey would get a nice (and hopefully permanent) boost in interest if both of the other leagues don't start on time.
Not a judgement on hockey, just the facts. Whatever happens to basketball and football won't matter.
These lockouts are meaningless to me unless it starts affecting the regular season -- more so on football due to the limited number of games.
Certainly hope the NFL lockout ends soon...the NBA lockout...well if it lasted for 15 years, I could care less since I've not seen but maybe 1 or 2 games since the 80's.
quote:Originally posted by Gigond Ass:
No. Hockey will never be more than a red headed step child sport south of the mimik curtain.
Not a judgement on hockey, just the facts. Whatever happens to basketball and football won't matter.
+1.
quote:Originally posted by DoubleD:
These lockouts are meaningless to me unless it starts affecting the regular season
And +1.
Hopefully I'm not wrong, but I think the lockout issues in both sports will be resolved prior to effecting the regular seasons. The sports media continues to do what the media in general does best...completely blow the severity of the situation out of proportion. I mean we just started hearing about the potential NBA lockout within the last few days, and ESPN would already have you believe that doomsday is around the corner...the NBA season just ended for crying out loud - they have until November to take care of this. I'll admit that I'm a bit more worried about the NFL's current situation, but I still think it will hit a point where one or both sides will have to suck it up because they know everyone wants their American football back.
quote:Originally posted by DoubleD:
These lockouts are meaningless to me unless it starts affecting the regular season -- more so on football due to the limited number of games.
Love to see them both fail this year. Maybe then there will be a realist salry paid to these guys. $ 25 milllion for a few games is insane.
Then maybe ticket prices will go down. A family of four going to a Fins game can easily drop $ 250+. Sort of precludes a nice day out
Pollyanna at it's best. Ticket prices will never go down. They will always be what the market will bear. This is only about how much of the pie each side gets.quote:Originally posted by Ed Bowers:quote:Originally posted by DoubleD:
These lockouts are meaningless to me unless it starts affecting the regular season -- more so on football due to the limited number of games.
Love to see them both fail this year. Maybe then there will be a realist salry paid to these guys. $ 25 milllion for a few games is insane.
Then maybe ticket prices will go down. A family of four going to a Fins game can easily drop $ 250+. Sort of precludes a nice day out
Don't fool yourself that ticket prices will be affected in any way by any of this.
quote:Originally posted by Wine Sparty:quote:Originally posted by Captain Cancun:
The Red Wings always will outdo the Lions
This is not true. The Red Wings do not outdo the Lions even now. It may be Hockeytown, but I still consider the Tigers & Lions to be bigger than the Red Wings. I know the Lions had issues with not selling out games over the past few years, but that is due to Millen sucking the life out of the team, fans, etc. If they have half a pulse (which they do now), the support for the team is huge. Once the Lions get into the playoffs and make a run (yes, I'm a believer!), that town will go bananas.
From here in Canada the media hypes hockey up over all other league sports; Gordie Howe and Steve Yzerman have become justified icons. I guess if an examination of attendance, total revenues and exposure between the teams is done it'd be close. I was a fan of Barry Sanders too!
quote:Originally posted by Gigond Ass:Pollyanna at it's best. Ticket prices will never go down. They will always be what the market will bear. This is only about how much of the pie each side gets.quote:Originally posted by Ed Bowers:quote:Originally posted by DoubleD:
These lockouts are meaningless to me unless it starts affecting the regular season -- more so on football due to the limited number of games.
Love to see them both fail this year. Maybe then there will be a realist salry paid to these guys. $ 25 milllion for a few games is insane.
Then maybe ticket prices will go down. A family of four going to a Fins game can easily drop $ 250+. Sort of precludes a nice day out
Don't fool yourself that ticket prices will be affected in any way by any of this.
GA
Can't one dream?
quote:Originally posted by Ed Bowers:quote:Originally posted by Gigond Ass:Pollyanna at it's best. Ticket prices will never go down. They will always be what the market will bear. This is only about how much of the pie each side gets.quote:Originally posted by Ed Bowers:quote:Originally posted by DoubleD:
These lockouts are meaningless to me unless it starts affecting the regular season -- more so on football due to the limited number of games.
Love to see them both fail this year. Maybe then there will be a realist salry paid to these guys. $ 25 milllion for a few games is insane.
Then maybe ticket prices will go down. A family of four going to a Fins game can easily drop $ 250+. Sort of precludes a nice day out
Don't fool yourself that ticket prices will be affected in any way by any of this.
GA
Can't one dream?
One can indeed, Ed.
That said, there are better things to dream about.
One can always dream. I just never understand why people think anyone should take less money than they can get.quote:Originally posted by Ed Bowers:
GA
Can't one dream?
If I could get millions of dollars for a part time job, I'd do it, and frankly so would you.
The owners in the NBA are a bunch of liars- plain and simple. The day an owner sells his franchise for less than he paid for it, is the day I believe they are taking a loss. I love how they consider operating expenses as a loss. It is the same as a homeowner in the housing bubble saying that they are taking a loss on their home because of their mortgage payment... Despite the fact that appreciation on the home is vastly exceeding annual expenditures. Plus, the accounting figures are so skewed... They are basically writing off huge amounts as depreciation that are allowed under tax laws, but would not be considered a loss at all. The players made concessions in the last cba... Would like to see them stand tough in this fight, otherwise they will flat-out break the union come the next cba, as the players will not be able to wait-out a future prolonged lockout if all the concessions the owners are calling for come to fruition in this labor battle. We just put down our deposit for floor seats for the warriors for the upcoming season, so for my own selfish reasons, I would love to see a season played, as basketball is by fav our favorite sport, but if not, I will not fault the players at all. I pay my money to see the players. And like W+A says, even if the owners win, the fans are not going to come out on top in any way... This is all about putting more money in the pockets of the owners... I say eff them.
Unless the NBA owners open the real books - not the ones they are showing the players now, this will be protracted. And it is too bad because I really want to see what Jeremy Tyler can do for the W's.
Ticket prices have nothing to do with player salaries. They are set based on what people will pay. They are never going to go down in a meaningful way.
NFL lockout - I dont think there will be many, if any games missed. Maybe a preseason game or two which might get eliminated in the agreement anyway. I dont really care since the dolphins yet again failed to get a qb so its going to be groundhog day for me. Another boring 8-8 season. Yeah.
NBA - I think this one will be contentious. I have read that many of the NBA owners also own NHL teams and see what the missed season did for their profits and cost certainty. The players are willing to take some of the burden but dont want to share the cost of the owners purchasing the teams. It's a shame this is coming on the heels of one of the most watched seasons ever. Even the draft, without a true star was highly rated. I really hope these douches dont f it up and cancel a whole season.
NFL lockout - I dont think there will be many, if any games missed. Maybe a preseason game or two which might get eliminated in the agreement anyway. I dont really care since the dolphins yet again failed to get a qb so its going to be groundhog day for me. Another boring 8-8 season. Yeah.
NBA - I think this one will be contentious. I have read that many of the NBA owners also own NHL teams and see what the missed season did for their profits and cost certainty. The players are willing to take some of the burden but dont want to share the cost of the owners purchasing the teams. It's a shame this is coming on the heels of one of the most watched seasons ever. Even the draft, without a true star was highly rated. I really hope these douches dont f it up and cancel a whole season.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
TicketFirst Growth prices have nothing to do withplayer salarieswine quality. They are set based on whatpeoplebuyers in Asia will pay. They are never going to go down in a meaningful way.
quote:Originally posted by VinToronto:quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
TicketFirst Growth prices have nothing to do withplayer salarieswine quality. They are set based on whatpeoplebuyers in Asia will pay. They are never going to go down in a meaningful way.
Well played sir. However, I respectfully disagree. If my experience working as an M&A attorney in Hong Kong dealing primarily with Chinese companies are any indication, I would never be willing to invest in a business there. Everything is perpetuated on fraud, financials can never be trusted, and the business model is shrouded in a veil of secrecy that makes the Worldcoms and Enrons look downright saintly. This is already coming to pass with Chinese companies listed on the NYSE, and it is just a matter of time before it comes to fruition in Singapore, Hong Kong, etc. When it does, I feel the days of $1200 first growth futures will also be reexamined.
...perhaps reason to be hopeful that one day, I may actually be able to afford to purchase a First Growth.
Sorry for the thread hijack and subsequent drift!
Sorry for the thread hijack and subsequent drift!
From yesterday's NY Times... Precisely what I was saying 3 days ago: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n...-financial-distress/
All I know on the NBA side is that I've got a good friend that is very senior in the front office of our local NBA team. July 1st is usually one of his busy days and he just took off for 2 months of vacation...