Another season, another D-Rose injury.

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But he knows he is great and is looking forward to what he deserves in free agency in 2 years. Just ask him.
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Originally posted by billhike:
Another season, another D-Rose injury.

But he knows he is great and is looking forward to what he deserves in free agency in 2 years. Just ask him.

As long as Dolan is around, he'll get the money from the Knicks. doh
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Originally posted by billhike:
Another season, another D-Rose injury.

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But he knows he is great and is looking forward to what he deserves in free agency in 2 years. Just ask him.

He is completely clueless.

I believe the Bulls should try to trade him ... as soon as he returns from (yet) another injury.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm a huge Rose fan but I'm even starting to waiver at this point. He should stop talking and just play.


did he get a sex toy shoved into his eye socket because the girl wanted him to pay for it?

I didnt quite catch the story.
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Originally posted by gigabit:
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Originally posted by billhike:
Another season, another D-Rose injury.

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But he knows he is great and is looking forward to what he deserves in free agency in 2 years. Just ask him.


He is completely clueless.

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gig, you are being too kind.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm a huge Rose fan but I'm even starting to waiver at this point. He should stop talking and just play.


did he get a sex toy shoved into his eye socket because the girl wanted him to pay for it?

I didnt quite catch the story.


Not sure if you've read anything since posting, but here is the Cliff Notes version.

He got an elbow from a teammate in their 1st practice. I was hoping it was from Joakim on purpose for being a p***y.

He is being sued by an "ex-gf" claiming she was gang-raped. He says that it was a consensual group session and that she was mad because she wanted to be reimbursed for a sex toy she bought for the session.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure I've never thought about being aroused in the same room with some of my naked buddies and a dildo all flying around. Eek
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Originally posted by billhike:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm a huge Rose fan but I'm even starting to waiver at this point. He should stop talking and just play.


did he get a sex toy shoved into his eye socket because the girl wanted him to pay for it?

I didnt quite catch the story.


Not sure if you've read anything since posting, but here is the Cliff Notes version.

He got an elbow from a teammate in their 1st practice. I was hoping it was from Joakim on purpose for being a p***y.

He is being sued by an "ex-gf" claiming she was gang-raped. He says that it was a consensual group session and that she was mad because she wanted to be reimbursed for a sex toy she bought for the session.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure I've never thought about being aroused in the same room with some of my naked buddies and a dildo all flying around. Eek


"practice", "teammate". i smell a cover up.

he shoudl just come out and admit that he had a dildo smacked into his eye a little too hard.
The sex incident happened two years ago. Although, I guess something could have smacked him in the face at the time...
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Originally posted by billhike:
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Originally posted by g-man:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GlennK:
I'm a huge Rose fan but I'm even starting to waiver at this point. He should stop talking and just play.


did he get a sex toy shoved into his eye socket because the girl wanted him to pay for it?

I didnt quite catch the story.


Not sure if you've read anything since posting, but here is the Cliff Notes version.

He got an elbow from a teammate in their 1st practice. I was hoping it was from Joakim on purpose for being a p***y.

He is being sued by an "ex-gf" claiming she was gang-raped. He says that it was a consensual group session and that she was mad because she wanted to be reimbursed for a sex toy she bought for the session.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm pretty sure I've never thought about being aroused in the same room with some of my naked buddies and a dildo all flying around.

Sounds like just another offline for Parcival
dance
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Originally posted by jburman82:
You guys see Stephen A Smith threatened Kevin Durant? What a clown.
I haven't seen that story but not surprised by anything Smith does these days. He is a total clown.
I was in the same hotel as the players from OKC on Monday. Was in the elevator with RW and KD. KD is shockingly tall. Doesn't seem that tall on TV. I have a new appreciation for how well he moves with the ball.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I was in the same hotel as the players from OKC on Monday. Was in the elevator with RW and KD. KD is shockingly tall. Doesn't seem that tall on TV. I have a new appreciation for how well he moves with the ball.


isn't he like 7'1"
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I was in the same hotel as the players from OKC on Monday. Was in the elevator with RW and KD. KD is shockingly tall. Doesn't seem that tall on TV. I have a new appreciation for how well he moves with the ball.

i believe most of the nba teams stay at the Ritz and underground tunnel it over to Staples.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I was in the same hotel as the players from OKC on Monday. Was in the elevator with RW and KD. KD is shockingly tall. Doesn't seem that tall on TV. I have a new appreciation for how well he moves with the ball.


isn't he like 7'1"


6'10 I think
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I was in the same hotel as the players from OKC on Monday. Was in the elevator with RW and KD. KD is shockingly tall. Doesn't seem that tall on TV. I have a new appreciation for how well he moves with the ball.

i believe most of the nba teams stay at the Ritz and underground tunnel it over to Staples.
I was at the Four Seasons in H-town. They played the rockets Monday night.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
I was in the same hotel as the players from OKC on Monday. Was in the elevator with RW and KD. KD is shockingly tall. Doesn't seem that tall on TV. I have a new appreciation for how well he moves with the ball.

i believe most of the nba teams stay at the Ritz and underground tunnel it over to Staples.
I was at the Four Seasons in H-town. They played the rockets Monday night.

ah, got it... cool
19-0... utah took them to the limit, but the warriors' defense just locks down in crunch time. golden state is the most exciting team in all of sports right now... simply must-see tv.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
19-0... utah took them to the limit, but the warriors' defense just locks down in crunch time. golden state is the most exciting team in all of sports right now... simply must-see tv.


Truly fun to watch the W's. Explosive offense and suffocating defense day in, day out. Truly a great team. 1-0 on a long 7 game road trip.

Go Warriors.
Surprised no chatter about Kobe announcing his retirement at end of the season. Glad to see this will be his last year. Like many it seems he tried to hang on a season or so too long, but he was a great player. I'm sure the Lakers are glad he is calling it quits, so they can finally get on with the business of rebuilding. Saw an interesting nugget on ESPN I believe yesterday. Kobe has missed more shots in his career than John Stockton attempted.

I'm curious as to how Kobe has been perceived these last few seasons by Lakers fans.
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Originally posted by eyesintime:
Surprised no chatter about Kobe announcing his retirement at end of the season. Glad to see this will be his last year. Like many it seems he tried to hang on a season or so too long, but he was a great player. I'm sure the Lakers are glad he is calling it quits, so they can finally get on with the business of rebuilding. Saw an interesting nugget on ESPN I believe yesterday. Kobe has missed more shots in his career than John Stockton attempted.

I'm curious as to how Kobe has been perceived these last few seasons by Lakers fans.


I believe Duncan and Kobe came out same year or within a year or two of one another. Very different styles, each one of the greats at their position. Which of the two was the player of his era (I don't think there is anyone else in the discussion; Lebron came into the league years later)?
23-0 with 28% of the season complete

What's almost as amazing is that San Antonio is only 4.5 games back.

I figure GS will be 28-0 by Christmas Day. Someone in the NBA scheduling department used their crystal ball well: on Christmas Day the Warriors play the Cavs. I have no idea what the outcome will be, but it should be a fun game to watch.
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Originally posted by eyesintime:
Surprised no chatter about Kobe announcing his retirement at end of the season. Glad to see this will be his last year. Like many it seems he tried to hang on a season or so too long, but he was a great player. I'm sure the Lakers are glad he is calling it quits, so they can finally get on with the business of rebuilding. Saw an interesting nugget on ESPN I believe yesterday. Kobe has missed more shots in his career than John Stockton attempted.

I'm curious as to how Kobe has been perceived these last few seasons by Lakers fans.
It's been sad seeing him play so poorly. He looks ok physically so I got to think his shooting will improve but it looks historically bad right now. I don't mind it though as it would be great to keep our pick and be in the running for Ben Simmons.

Kobe has been a pleasure to watch all these years. A true competitor and the closest thing we have had to MJ which says it all. My basketball friends and I have been having the Kobe vs. Tim Duncan debate and I would take Kobe hands down. Obviously biased but I just think his highs were higher than Duncan. I would take that over longevity anytime. Plus I think Duncan has really benefited by the system all these years and the more consistent talent. Both all time greats though. I have Kobe around 11 all time and Duncan 12-13.
Oh and the Warriors are must see TV right now. I have never routed for a non Lakers team so much in my life. If you love basketball, they are just so fun to watch. Seems like a good group of guys too. I hope they break the Bulls record and roll over everyone in the playoffs.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
Oh and the Warriors are must see TV right now. I have never routed for a non Lakers team so much in my life. If you love basketball, they are just so fun to watch. Seems like a good group of guys too. I hope they break the Bulls record and roll over everyone in the playoffs.

Welcome aboard GlennK! Come on up for a game sometime... It is the best show in town. Just pinching myself- this team is just a joy to watch. Basketball at its most beautiful.
Shumpert back, Mozgov getting healthy, Kyrie back shortly.

Paul, turn on the Cavs after NYE, and your shoulders will slump.

The only question is, will you come out to Cleveland IF the Warriors make the Finals?
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Originally posted by patespo1:
Shumpert back, Mozgov getting healthy, Kyrie back shortly.

Paul, turn on the Cavs after NYE, and your shoulders will slump.

The only question is, will you come out to Cleveland IF the Warriors make the Finals?

If you have tickets, I am in!!
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
Shumpert back, Mozgov getting healthy, Kyrie back shortly.

Paul, turn on the Cavs after NYE, and your shoulders will slump.

The only question is, will you come out to Cleveland IF the Warriors make the Finals?

If you have tickets, I am in!!


Why would you go to Cleveland when the games will be in Miami? jelly
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
Shumpert back, Mozgov getting healthy, Kyrie back shortly.

Paul, turn on the Cavs after NYE, and your shoulders will slump.

The only question is, will you come out to Cleveland IF the Warriors make the Finals?

If you have tickets, I am in!!


Why would you go to Cleveland when the games will be in Miami? jelly

We are talking about the NBA JB, not the Miami Sol.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
Shumpert back, Mozgov getting healthy, Kyrie back shortly.

Paul, turn on the Cavs after NYE, and your shoulders will slump.

The only question is, will you come out to Cleveland IF the Warriors make the Finals?

If you have tickets, I am in!!


Why would you go to Cleveland when the games will be in Miami? jelly

We are talking about the NBA JB, not the Miami Sol.


Any reason to get here is good one. Cool
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
Shumpert back, Mozgov getting healthy, Kyrie back shortly.

Paul, turn on the Cavs after NYE, and your shoulders will slump.

The only question is, will you come out to Cleveland IF the Warriors make the Finals?

If you have tickets, I am in!!


I'll get them. Jack has to come as well, he was my good luck charm last year.
Fun going back and reading my comments on Berserkers about the warriors last year. Considering the historical run the Warriors are on, I guess I am just ahead of my time (you could say the same thing about Premier Cru, but I digress)

May 18 (Paul Battaglia wrote): klay's near max will kick in next year, as will dray's near max, which will be right around the same number. warriors are still in fantastic shape financial wise. they can either dump lee's salary before the trade deadline next year, or they can go over the hard cap for one year, but with the salary cap exploding in the 2016-17 year, they will not be subject to the onerous repeater tax. also, iggy and bogut have interesting contracts in that their salaries are de-escalating. each player will make less money over the next two years than in the previous year. the core has at least a 3 year window to really cement their place in the history of the nba.

May 18 (Bob Hughes wrote): Wow, I thought Alan Rath was the most irrational Golden State fan on the board,but Paul is already talking about them cementing their legacy over the next three years.
So much for waiting for a team to, you know, actually win something before we coronate them

May 18 (Paul Battaglia wrote): didn't say they will... but like the bulls heading into their first finals in the 90s, the pistons heading into their first finals in the 87-88 season (they lost, but only because of a severely sprained ankle suffered by isiah thomas in game 6), or the shaq-kobe lakers once phil arrived, you can tell that this warriors team is destined for greatness. this year's team is the 3rd best team i have ever seen in my life: 95-96 bulls, 85-86 celtics, this year's warriors squad. right now, no team can match up with their defense and shooting.

May 19 (Glenn Levine wrote): the fantasy that this is the third best basketball team of the past 30 years can end any time now.

May 19 (Paul Battaglia wrote): 95-96 bulls, 85-86 celtics, this year's warriors... 3 best teams I have seen in my life. I stand by it.

May 20 (Paul Battaglia wrote): I think half the criticisms of the warriors are from people that must not be watching the games. I watched every single minute of warriors basketball this year- a lot of their supposed "flaws" are in actuality, strengths.

May 20 (Glenn Levine wrote):
I'm not bashing the Ws, I love some aspects of their game. You live on this coast though the past few weeks and hearing about them in historical contexts, c'mon that is just nuts.
They are the best team this year but the stars aligned for them too. Even with all the good mojo they haven't been wiping out opponents. They win 3 championships in 6-7 seasons we can talk about them historically.

May 20 (Paul Battaglia wrote): you hear them talked in historical contexts for one reason- their season was historically great. they haven't been wiping opponents out? they were top 8 in the history of the nba in point differential. of the 7 teams that finished with a higher point differential than them, 6 won the nba title that year. coincidence? i think not.

May 20 (Paul Battaglia wrote): their regular season winning percentage was .817... they are at .818 in the playoffs. you don't need to win 3 championships in 6-7 seasons to cement your place as one of the best teams in history... they win the championship this year, and their body of work over the entire year speaks for itself amongst the greatest teams.

May 21 (Paul Battaglia wrote): one of the three best teams of my life… EOM

May 22 (Paul Battaglia wrote): what do you know.... posted just this morning. has the warriors as the 4th best team EVER. oh, those two teams i said were better... yea, they are the ones ranked ahead of them. maybe i should write for five-thirty-eight. BALL DON'T LIE! http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the ... ng-to-elo/

Go warriors!
And it seems so easy. Last night it seemed like Dallas would at least keep it close. Then I go to grab some firewood and pop another beer and the Mavs are calling timeout and down by like 18. The defending East champions and the team with the second best record in the league were just trashed by them, not even close. Last night I was actually thinking of the 98 Yankees, and the 84 49ers to think if I've seen teams this dominate.
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
And it seems so easy. Last night it seemed like Dallas would at least keep it close. Then I go to grab some firewood and pop another beer and the Mavs are calling timeout and down by like 18. The defending East champions and the team with the second best record in the league were just trashed by them, not even close. Last night I was actually thinking of the 98 Yankees, and the 84 49ers to think if I've seen teams this dominate.

they truly do make it look easy... and i agree about the comparisons to the 84 49ers. not just the ease with which they dominate, but they are simply a joy to watch from an entertainment perspective.
Back in my day, Rick Mahorn, Kurt Rambis, or Bill Laimbeer would've put Steph and his mouth piece into the 3rd row, end of Golden State.

Impossible to compare teams from different eras. They had a great run last season and the Cavs, down two of their 3 best players, pushed them to 6. I'm still not sold they will repeat this year (but I'm also the same guy that thought Cam Newton would be a bust, so...).
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
You willing to add another to our list of wagers: warriors vs the field?

How much odds are you giving?
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
You willing to add another to our list of wagers: warriors vs the field?

How much odds are you giving?

what odds you thinking of giving me?
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
The Warriors are on a level by themselves. You should give me the odds. Smile

my odds are warriors against the whole damn league... bottle on warriors, vs bottle on all of the other 28 teams (76ers don't count as an NBA franchise).
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
The Warriors are on a level by themselves.

i'm glad you acknowledge what i have been preaching as fact for the past year. Wink
A bunch of guys out for the Bulls with actual injuries, and D-chair decides to sit out with "general soreness". Pathetic waste of sperm.
March 27, the Golden State Warriors played the Philadelphia 76ers. Going into the game, Golden State was 65-7 and Philadelphia was 9-64. This was the most lopsided win loss record match in NBA history.

Golden State won by 12 (117-105).

It was the 53th home victory for Golden State. Also, the Golden State backcourt became the first backcourt in NBA history to make 600 three point shots (at the 600 mark, Stephen Curry had 350 and Klay Thompson had 250).
The Cavs need to figure out what to do with Irving.

He may be a great good point guard, but he doesn't know how to be a team player --- at least not on that team. And Dellavadova & Love are better than Irving & Love.
Where are all my fairweather bandwagon toronto fans?

my facebook page about GSW went real quiet for some reason =)
The Spurs will always be my favorite team followed by the Mavericks, but cannot think of a team more fun to watch than the Warriors.
Amazing accomplishment by one of the best group of basketball players and teammates to ever suit up on a court. To be a fan for so long when they were the absolute joke of the NBA, to now tying the Bulls for most wins in a season with the opportunity to break the record, is surreal. Have to pinch myself sometimes.
If the Cavs lose in the finals because of Kyrie's ball-hogedness I'm going to be pissssssed...

I'm not certain why this new coach doesn't do something about it. I'm not certain why LeBron doesn't.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
If the Cavs lose in the finals because of Kyrie's ball-hogedness I'm going to be pissssssed...

I'm not certain why this new coach doesn't do something about it. I'm not certain why LeBron doesn't.

Kyrie's ball-hogedness will not be the reason the cavs lose in the finals. the cavs not being as good as the warriors is the reason they will lose.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
If the Cavs lose in the finals because of Kyrie's ball-hogedness I'm going to be pissssssed...

I'm not certain why this new coach doesn't do something about it. I'm not certain why LeBron doesn't.

Kyrie's ball-hogedness will not be the reason the cavs lose in the finals. the cavs not being as good as the warriors is the reason they will lose.


i honestly dont see anyone on the cavs team that can really guard kt, sc or dg.

lebron really is the only one athletic enough but you cant really have him running aroudn the floor just playing d.

dova is just going to get burned, kyrie does his best impression of harden, love is just goign to sit down in the paint. jr smith has a chance but he gets reckless. shumps, if he can get his knee healthy might work but then you still need to worry about dg
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
If the Cavs lose in the finals because of Kyrie's ball-hogedness I'm going to be pissssssed...

I'm not certain why this new coach doesn't do something about it. I'm not certain why LeBron doesn't.

Kyrie's ball-hogedness will not be the reason the cavs lose in the finals. the cavs not being as good as the warriors is the reason they will lose.


No but it might be (one of) the reason(s) they don't GET to the finals... Wink
since the warriors decided to charge a 625% premium on the cost of my regular season tickets for the finals ($280/seat jumps to $1750/seat), we have decided to sell my tickets and book a vacation to Cleveland to attend games 3 & 4. a little presumptuous i know... but on the off chance the Cavs don't make it, I guess we will be driving to Toronto and will be able to have a killer offline with the local crew there! as it currently stands, I am looking forward to seeing Patespo in the 'land!
If Toronto does get in, the tickets will be more expensive than your Warriors ones...

Your equivalent seats at the ACC for round 1 were $450CDN for season's ticket holders.

The $27/seat regular season nosebleeds are $380 for the finals if they get there.

But don't let that stop you! Offline!!
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Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
If Toronto does get in, the tickets will be more expensive than your Warriors ones...

Your equivalent seats at the ACC for round 1 were $450CDN for season's ticket holders.

The $27/seat regular season nosebleeds are $380 for the finals if they get there.

But don't let that stop you! Offline!!

teams are getting crazy with the pricing. i am paying more for my playoffs tickets as i am for my entire season tickets. and they gave STH about 3 weeks notice between the time the playoff ticket pricing was released, and the payable due date. last year, finals were $850/seat... this year, more than double.
As a 33 year season ticket holder with the Lakers, My playoff ticket package has always been more expensive than the regular season package. If I were you, ignore it and go have a great time. Maybe someday I'll get to go the playoffs again. Doesn't look like anytime soon! Going to Kobe's last game tomorrow. Can't believe its been 20!
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Originally posted by Lakersguy:
As a 33 year season ticket holder with the Lakers, My playoff ticket package has always been more expensive than the regular season package. If I were you, ignore it and go have a great time. Maybe someday I'll get to go the playoffs again. Doesn't look like anytime soon! Going to Kobe's last game tomorrow. Can't believe its been 20!


It seems like 20 weeks.

Plus, damn, 37 ain't old!

Have a great time!

I am hoping the Lakers get past all this and Russell and Randle evolve into all stars and they nail this year's draft.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
since the warriors decided to charge a 625% premium on the cost of my regular season tickets for the finals ($280/seat jumps to $1750/seat), we have decided to sell my tickets and book a vacation to Cleveland to attend games 3 & 4. a little presumptuous i know... but on the off chance the Cavs don't make it, I guess we will be driving to Toronto and will be able to have a killer offline with the local crew there! as it currently stands, I am looking forward to seeing Patespo in the 'land!


Hoping it happens Paul! And I love that you said Book a vacation to Cleveland
Last game for Kobe tonight. It didn't end well but what an amazing 20 years it has been as a Laker and Kobe fan. Since Kobe came in the league in 96 the Lakers went to the finals 7 times and won 5. They only missed the playoffs 3 times including this current season. So many great memories during that stretch. It would have been interesting to see how the last 5 years would have gone if Stern didn't overstep and cancel the CP3 trade.

It's been a pretty good stretch for me as a Laker fan. Since I was born the Lakers have been to 17 NBA finals and I got to watch some of the NBA all time greats in Magic, Kareem, Shaq and Kobe. Hopefully they can get back and track and get back in the mix soon. I like some of the young guys and we have a ton of cap room. I know KD likes LA!
Good riddance to one of the biggest assholes and worst teammates the game has ever known. Now if only the front-running Phil Jackson would join him in retirement, the game would lose two of the biggest jerks of all time in one fell swoop. Kobe's retirement charade was vomit-inducing. Guy was a prick to media throughout his career, but his last go-round, he wanted to ham it up to be remembered as Mr. Nice Guy. You won't be missed.
Haha TPE. I get why non Laker fans don't like Kobe. As far as a worst teammates, I do think free agents have not wanted to play with aging Kobe for the last couple of years. That said I have not heard his former teammates not liking to play with him. There is an ex-Laker that is a member of my golf club and he said he loved playing with Kobe. Best thing he liked is how hard he pushed in practice. He did say some guys didn't like that aspect of Kobe but if you wanted to win, you loved that part of Kobe.

I loved that he came to play every single game (except for 1 strange playoff series vs the suns). As far as being an asshole, I don't disagree. I also could not care less though. I'm not his friend.
well said Glenn, and as someone in their mid 30's, born and raised in and around Los Angeles, there will never be another athlete that will leave an impression on me as Kobe has. a sad day for sure, but also a great day to be a Lakers fan, and all i can say to Kobe is "Thank You" for bring the swag back to LA.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
73 wins- really thought it was a record that could not be broken. An unbelievable accomplishment.

Congrats to the Warriors! Now, just win the Championship or else.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
73 wins- really thought it was a record that could not be broken. An unbelievable accomplishment.


The Warriors made the regular season so much fun this year. Their season and the unselfishness of stars like Tim and Dirk late in their careers provided the perfect balance to Kobe ( embarrassing season) dragging the Lakers down the last three years to the worst seasons in the history of the franchise including their time in Minneapolis.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
...the unselfishness of stars like Tim and Dirk late in their careers provided the perfect balance to Kobe...

+1
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
73 wins- really thought it was a record that could not be broken. An unbelievable accomplishment.


Congrats and unfortunately I know what the flip side of that feels like. My dad and I had a half season package for the 73 Sixers. I honestly cant remember seeing them win that season.
I witnessed Greatness last night at Staples! I didn't sleep much when I got home. Also, congrats to the Warriors. Unbelievable season.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
this guy deserves a pulitzer. brilliant.


Was there any doubt he would jack-up 50 shots last night?

i put the over/under at 46 amongst my friends... absolutely crazy. 60 points, 50 shots... steph curry: 46 points on 24 shots.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
this guy deserves a pulitzer. brilliant.


Was there any doubt he would jack-up 50 shots last night?

i put the over/under at 46 amongst my friends... absolutely crazy. 60 points, 50 shots... steph curry: 46 points on 24 shots.


10 years makes a difference =) I hsould know, I need to get me some chest pads when i play bball.

kobe @ same age as curry
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260122013
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
this guy deserves a pulitzer. brilliant.


Was there any doubt he would jack-up 50 shots last night?

i put the over/under at 46 amongst my friends... absolutely crazy. 60 points, 50 shots... steph curry: 46 points on 24 shots.


10 years makes a difference =) I hsould know, I need to get me some chest pads when i play bball.

kobe @ same age as curry
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260122013

guess what, steph was still more efficient last night than kobe in his 81 game, as steph avg 1.917 points per shot attempt. kobe avg 1.760 points per shot attempt.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
this guy deserves a pulitzer. brilliant.


Was there any doubt he would jack-up 50 shots last night?

i put the over/under at 46 amongst my friends... absolutely crazy. 60 points, 50 shots... steph curry: 46 points on 24 shots.


10 years makes a difference =) I hsould know, I need to get me some chest pads when i play bball.

kobe @ same age as curry
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260122013

guess what, steph was still more efficient last night than kobe in his 81 game, as steph avg 1.917 points per shot attempt. kobe avg 1.760 points per shot attempt.


well yea, if you make more 3 pters per attempt, you'd make more pts per attempt. Not really a relevant comparison.

It'd be very hard to argue against kobe in his 81 pt game. The guy literally carried the lakers to a win.

you could very easily argue that the warriors would have still won this game even if kerr decided to rest curry the final game.

credit where credit is due, guys an ass, a total douche, but in his prime, the guy could ball.
Yeah, Kobe is definitely a first team for our generation. Curry is great and fun to watch. Ultimately, age will catch up to him faster than guys like Kobe and Lebron.
No way. Look at Dell curry

Sharpshooters have very long careers he just might not be as dynamic. But he'd be damn effective still
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Originally posted by g-man:
No way. Look at Dell curry

Sharpshooters have very long careers he just might not be as dynamic. But he'd be damn effective still

You mean like Craig Hodges, Jim Paxton, and Steve Kerr type players 5 years from now?
Was just talking with one of my best friends. His son was the shooting guard at Lower Merion High School (Kobe's alma mater) and graduated last year. He was on the varsity squad since his sophomore year. He broke Kobe's career 3 pointer record (168) at Lower Merion last yearSmile
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
this guy deserves a pulitzer. brilliant.


Was there any doubt he would jack-up 50 shots last night?

i put the over/under at 46 amongst my friends... absolutely crazy. 60 points, 50 shots... steph curry: 46 points on 24 shots.


I love watching Steph and never been a huge fan of Kobe, but last night Kobe did exactly what he was supposed to and every fan loved it. I found myself sitting alone on the couch cheering when he hit some of the those 3-pointers. And, they did win. A great way to go out, a great gift to basketball fans, and what a thrill for those who were there.

Steph has shined all season and will continue to do so in the playoffs, but last night was Kobe's.
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by g-man:
No way. Look at Dell curry

Sharpshooters have very long careers he just might not be as dynamic. But he'd be damn effective still

You mean like Craig Hodges, Jim Paxton, and Steve Kerr type players 5 years from now?


ray allen would be a closer proxy than any of the names you listed
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
73 wins- really thought it was a record that could not be broken. An unbelievable accomplishment.


The Warriors made the regular season so much fun this year. Their season and the unselfishness of stars like Tim and Dirk late in their careers provided the perfect balance to Kobe ( embarrassing season) dragging the Lakers down the last three years to the worst seasons in the history of the franchise including their time in Minneapolis.


Kobe had nothing to do with "dragging" the Lakers down for the past three years. Signing a broken Steve Nash and a bad back Dwight Howard gambling it could work and bring another championship to LA. It didn't work with either of those guys and Kobe got hurt every year. The other glaring reason is the team signs guys that can't play defense as subs.
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Originally posted by Lakersguy:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
73 wins- really thought it was a record that could not be broken. An unbelievable accomplishment.


The Warriors made the regular season so much fun this year. Their season and the unselfishness of stars like Tim and Dirk late in their careers provided the perfect balance to Kobe ( embarrassing season) dragging the Lakers down the last three years to the worst seasons in the history of the franchise including their time in Minneapolis.


Kobe had nothing to do with "dragging" the Lakers down for the past three years. Signing a broken Steve Nash and a bad back Dwight Howard gambling it could work and bring another championship to LA. It didn't work with either of those guys and Kobe got hurt every year. The other glaring reason is the team signs guys that can't play defense as subs.


i would have guess that @ 60mm team salary cap, with kobe having the largest cap hit of any player in the NBA (25MM$) can indeed lead to a player "dragging a team down"
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Ray Allen is a fair comparison. I don't think Jesus makes First Team NBA while he was playing, does he?


your arguments makes no sense

first you compare curry to john paxton, hodges and kerr ..

now you're saying he's going to have a better longevity then ray allen.

go back to your crappy italian wines
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Ray Allen is a fair comparison. I don't think Jesus makes First Team NBA while he was playing, does he?


your arguments makes no sense

first you compare curry to john paxton, hodges and kerr ..

now you're saying he's going to have a better longevity then ray allen.

go back to your crappy italian wines

I agreed with you on Ray Allen being a better comparison. My argument or question, which I haven't stated yet, is whether Curry is in the same discussion as Jordan, Lebron, Magic, and Kobe.
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Originally posted by Lakersguy:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
73 wins- really thought it was a record that could not be broken. An unbelievable accomplishment.


The Warriors made the regular season so much fun this year. Their season and the unselfishness of stars like Tim and Dirk late in their careers provided the perfect balance to Kobe ( embarrassing season) dragging the Lakers down the last three years to the worst seasons in the history of the franchise including their time in Minneapolis.


Kobe had nothing to do with "dragging" the Lakers down for the past three years. Signing a broken Steve Nash and a bad back Dwight Howard gambling it could work and bring another championship to LA. It didn't work with either of those guys and Kobe got hurt every year. The other glaring reason is the team signs guys that can't play defense as subs.
Agree. W+A is very wrong in his assessment. The front office decisions are to blame for the quick decline in the Lakers. Nash was a terrible deal in hindsight and Dwight was a bad fit but it turns out he is a bad fit most places. They also have the worst coach in the league which is another front office issue. Does Kobe deserve to be the highest paid player in the league these last 2 years, absolutely not. Were the Lakers profitable on that deal? You bet they were.

It was a great way to finish out a great career. The Jazz helped a lot by not playing D but it was still a fun way to see him go out. I would not trade these last 20 years of Kobe for anyone else in his generation including Dirk, Duncan, even LBJ. It's been a great ride.
Oh, and I agree with all the praise on the Warriors. Stef has forever changed the game and we might not see another like him. Such a fun team to watch and I will be rooting for them to go all the way again this year.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
The front office decisions are to blame for the quick decline in the Lakers.


umm isn't the front office decisions always the blame whenever a team fails?

In the history of sports has there ever been a failed front office decision that lead to a dynasty?

so tell me

what is kobe's win shares per $ spent the last 3 years he played.

considering he took up a massive 30+% of the teams cap space.

i'd call that dragging down the team.

numbers dont lie =)
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
The front office decisions are to blame for the quick decline in the Lakers.


umm isn't the front office decisions always the blame whenever a team fails?

In the history of sports has there ever been a failed front office decision that lead to a dynasty?

so tell me

what is kobe's win shares per $ spent the last 3 years he played.... Worst in the league.

considering he took up a massive 30+% of the teams cap space.... While other stars late in their career elected to take a 1/3 of what they could have to help their team compete.

i'd call that dragging down the team.... Without debate. The Lakers played better with him on the bench.

numbers dont lie =)
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Originally posted by wine+art:
considering he took up a massive 30+% of the teams cap space.... While other stars late in their career elected to take a 1/3 of what they could have to help their team compete.


I hadn't thought of it to just then but Pete Rose is an interesting parallel. He was a massively negative player and a drain on his teams for the last 5 years he played chasing Cobb.

Not including the throwing games part. And I know, but just wait for it, he'll cop to that too at some point because you know damn well he did.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
The front office decisions are to blame for the quick decline in the Lakers.


umm isn't the front office decisions always the blame whenever a team fails?

In the history of sports has there ever been a failed front office decision that lead to a dynasty?

so tell me

what is kobe's win shares per $ spent the last 3 years he played.... Worst in the league.

considering he took up a massive 30+% of the teams cap space.... While other stars late in their career elected to take a 1/3 of what they could have to help their team compete.

i'd call that dragging down the team.... Without debate. The Lakers played better with him on the bench.

numbers dont lie =)
So if Kobe took less money you think the Laker results would have been materially different? Who was out there that could and would have signed that would have had a material impact? Sign a bunch of mid level guys to just miss the playoffs? What is the point in that? I like what actually happened better. We have 3 young players with potential and hopefully if the ping pong balls go our way a top 3 pick this year. Plenty of cap room going forward to hopefully land a KD and/or RW type player in the next couple of years.
The amount of money Kobe was paid and salary cap has nothing to do with the Lakers failure. Dr. Buss, who has passed, always took better care of his players than anyone else. Playing in LA still is a high value target for a player, but not as high as it use to be because of social media and 24 hr news cycle. Players can make endorsement money anywhere now. Paying Kobe 50 million for two years was a hell of an investment for the Lakers that kept them the number one or two valued NBA franchise. Gambling on a couple of superstars backfired with losses of draft picks and some questionable bench player signings. I think it will be multiple years before the Lakers contend again which saddens me.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
The front office decisions are to blame for the quick decline in the Lakers.


umm isn't the front office decisions always the blame whenever a team fails?

In the history of sports has there ever been a failed front office decision that lead to a dynasty?

so tell me

what is kobe's win shares per $ spent the last 3 years he played.... Worst in the league.

considering he took up a massive 30+% of the teams cap space.... While other stars late in their career elected to take a 1/3 of what they could have to help their team compete.

i'd call that dragging down the team.... Without debate. The Lakers played better with him on the bench.

numbers dont lie =)
So if Kobe took less money you think the Laker results would have been materially different? Who was out there that could and would have signed that would have had a material impact? Sign a bunch of mid level guys to just miss the playoffs? What is the point in that? I like what actually happened better. We have 3 young players with potential and hopefully if the ping pong balls go our way a top 3 pick this year. Plenty of cap room going forward to hopefully land a KD and/or RW type player in the next couple of years.


well to start

you would have gotten CP3
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
Ray Allen is a fair comparison. I don't think Jesus makes First Team NBA while he was playing, does he?


your arguments makes no sense

first you compare curry to john paxton, hodges and kerr ..

now you're saying he's going to have a better longevity then ray allen.

go back to your crappy italian wines

I agreed with you on Ray Allen being a better comparison. My argument or question, which I haven't stated yet, is whether Curry is in the same discussion as Jordan, Lebron, Magic, and Kobe.


Not yet, Penny, TMac, Etc had a few great seasons and then injuries brought them down. The greats do it for a career.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
this guy deserves a pulitzer. brilliant.


Was there any doubt he would jack-up 50 shots last night?

i put the over/under at 46 amongst my friends... absolutely crazy. 60 points, 50 shots... steph curry: 46 points on 24 shots.


10 years makes a difference =) I hsould know, I need to get me some chest pads when i play bball.

kobe @ same age as curry
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=260122013

guess what, steph was still more efficient last night than kobe in his 81 game, as steph avg 1.917 points per shot attempt. kobe avg 1.760 points per shot attempt.


well yea, if you make more 3 pters per attempt, you'd make more pts per attempt. Not really a relevant comparison.

It'd be very hard to argue against kobe in his 81 pt game. The guy literally carried the lakers to a win.

you could very easily argue that the warriors would have still won this game even if kerr decided to rest curry the final game.

credit where credit is due, guys an ass, a total douche, but in his prime, the guy could ball.


V
+1, very well put
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Originally posted by g-man:


well yea, if you make more 3 pters per attempt, you'd make more pts per attempt. Not really a relevant comparison.


actually, you are wrong, as Kobe's FT attempts are the equalizer for Steph's 3 pt prowess. Seriously, however way you look at it, Steph in win #73 was more efficient than Kobe.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by g-man:


well yea, if you make more 3 pters per attempt, you'd make more pts per attempt. Not really a relevant comparison.


actually, you are wrong, as Kobe's FT attempts are the equalizer for Steph's 3 pt prowess. Seriously, however way you look at it, Steph in win #73 was more efficient than Kobe.


but steph didnt score 81. arguing about efficiency is only a small part of the argument about kobe in his prime vs kobe 10 years afterwards.

Kobe did carry the 81 game when no one else on his team was able to hit a shot.

The defense was literally double and triple teaming him in the 4th quarter. he was making like a stupid 65% of his FGs going into the 3rd quarter.


Take Steve Kerr's career with the bulls
he made a whopping 1.33pts/attempt
compared to stephs 1.35pts/attempt
are you going to argue that steve kerr was just as good as steph curry because he was just as efficient?

That 81 pt outburst, to me, was definitely one of the finest games I saw from a basketball player. That game literally defines when a player needs to put a team on his back and carry them.
Cavs sweep! They will get some rest while Boston and Atlanta battle it out.

Bay Area fans collectively wait on the results of Stephs' MRI.

San Antonio is business as usual.
fun stat
"Charlotte scores 14.7 more points per 100 possessions when Lin is on the court—roughly the same gap that sits between the Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Lakers' offensive units during the regular season. They're outscored by a brain-melting 32.5 points per 100 possessions when he sits"-http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-miami-heat-nba-playoffs-042616
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Originally posted by Captain Cancun:
What a comeback by the Raptors tonight! Game 6 is shaping up to be a classic...


That was unreal. Crazy how technology saved them from OT. Would've been a good basket back in the day.
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Originally posted by g-man:
fun stat
"Charlotte scores 14.7 more points per 100 possessions when Lin is on the court—roughly the same gap that sits between the Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Lakers' offensive units during the regular season. They're outscored by a brain-melting 32.5 points per 100 possessions when he sits"-http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-miami-heat-nba-playoffs-042616


Heard the talking heads on one of the networks saying that Lin drew so many fouls in Game 4 partially because of the video and NYT article about how he DOESNT' get foul calls. So now the refs are going the other direction. Someone is always going to bitch about the calls, well, except the Warriors and their fans because they get all of the calls their way bart
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by g-man:
fun stat
"Charlotte scores 14.7 more points per 100 possessions when Lin is on the court—roughly the same gap that sits between the Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Lakers' offensive units during the regular season. They're outscored by a brain-melting 32.5 points per 100 possessions when he sits"-http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/jeremy-lin-charlotte-hornets-miami-heat-nba-playoffs-042616


Heard the talking heads on one of the networks saying that Lin drew so many fouls in Game 4 partially because of the video and NYT article about how he DOESNT' get foul calls. So now the refs are going the other direction. Someone is always going to bitch about the calls, well, except the Warriors and their fans because they get all of the calls their way bart


Charlotte was already getting all the calls in Games 1-2 - Heat crushed them yet they still managed to draw far more fouls and get to the line far more often. Total joke
well charlottes game plan went from being #4 in total 3 pts attempted to this heat series where they became either the #1 or #2 team driving into the paint.

you're bound to get more calls if you're going into the paint

to put into perspective "Lin's played 69 fewer minutes than Russell Westbrook, but they both have 46 drives"
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Originally posted by g-man:
well charlottes game plan went from being #4 in total 3 pts attempted to this heat series where they became either the #1 or #2 team driving into the paint.

you're bound to get more calls if you're going into the paint

to put into perspective "Lin's played 69 fewer minutes than Russell Westbrook, but they both have 46 drives"


Yes blindly driving into the paint, crashing into someone and flailing your arms gets foul calls apparently in this day and age. Total joke-fest.
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
well charlottes game plan went from being #4 in total 3 pts attempted to this heat series where they became either the #1 or #2 team driving into the paint.

you're bound to get more calls if you're going into the paint

to put into perspective "Lin's played 69 fewer minutes than Russell Westbrook, but they both have 46 drives"


Yes blindly driving into the paint, crashing into someone and flailing your arms gets foul calls apparently in this day and age. Total joke-fest.


except jlin acutally goes for the hoop unlike a few other of his contemporaries
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
well charlottes game plan went from being #4 in total 3 pts attempted to this heat series where they became either the #1 or #2 team driving into the paint.

you're bound to get more calls if you're going into the paint

to put into perspective "Lin's played 69 fewer minutes than Russell Westbrook, but they both have 46 drives"


Yes blindly driving into the paint, crashing into someone and flailing your arms gets foul calls apparently in this day and age. Total joke-fest.


except jlin acutally goes for the hoop unlike a few other of his contemporaries


Have nothing against him - he has played great and apparently not a single player on the Heat can stay in front of him - but the number of foul calls has been ridiculous
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
well charlottes game plan went from being #4 in total 3 pts attempted to this heat series where they became either the #1 or #2 team driving into the paint.

you're bound to get more calls if you're going into the paint

to put into perspective "Lin's played 69 fewer minutes than Russell Westbrook, but they both have 46 drives"


Yes blindly driving into the paint, crashing into someone and flailing your arms gets foul calls apparently in this day and age. Total joke-fest.


except jlin acutally goes for the hoop unlike a few other of his contemporaries


Have nothing against him - he has played great and apparently not a single player on the Heat can stay in front of him - but the number of foul calls has been ridiculous


because charlotte went from the #4 3 pt shooting team to the #1/2 team playing in the paint.

There is a direct causation of foul calls to distance from the hoop. Closer to hoop > foul calls.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
well charlottes game plan went from being #4 in total 3 pts attempted to this heat series where they became either the #1 or #2 team driving into the paint.

you're bound to get more calls if you're going into the paint

to put into perspective "Lin's played 69 fewer minutes than Russell Westbrook, but they both have 46 drives"


Yes blindly driving into the paint, crashing into someone and flailing your arms gets foul calls apparently in this day and age. Total joke-fest.


except jlin acutally goes for the hoop unlike a few other of his contemporaries


Have nothing against him - he has played great and apparently not a single player on the Heat can stay in front of him - but the number of foul calls has been ridiculous


because charlotte went from the #4 3 pt shooting team to the #1/2 team playing in the paint.

There is a direct causation of foul calls to distance from the hoop. Closer to hoop > foul calls.


And selling BS contact to the refs
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
well charlottes game plan went from being #4 in total 3 pts attempted to this heat series where they became either the #1 or #2 team driving into the paint.

you're bound to get more calls if you're going into the paint

to put into perspective "Lin's played 69 fewer minutes than Russell Westbrook, but they both have 46 drives"


Yes blindly driving into the paint, crashing into someone and flailing your arms gets foul calls apparently in this day and age. Total joke-fest.

OMG, the irony of this from any Heat fan after DWade got every phantom foul call imaginable in the 2006 Finals versus Dallas........ doh
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Uh, that was 10 years ago dude.

This has been going on for decades (ask any Portland or Sacramento fan, for example). So why are you surprised/angry that this is happening?
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Gman and I were having fun debating the officiating - I am neither surprised nor angry.

And I'm having fun with a Heat fan using terms like "total jokefest", "ridiculous" and "selling BS contact" to describe an inordinate amount of fouls being called when the same situation in the Heat's favor enabled them to steal their first NBA title.
Warriors close it out against a pathetic Houston team. They have Zero team chemistry. Looks like they may have an easy 2nd round with Portland trying to close out the Clips.

Charlotte goes up 3-2, and head home for Game 6, look to close out.
Despite being outscored in the paint and rebounded, Charlotte wins Game 5. Totally deserving as well. Courtney Lee - what a play getting the offensive rebound and nailing the 3
Wade was clearly fouled on that last play but Miami's train wreck half court offense the previous three possessions make me not care. They had that game and blew it. Not too surprising though. Charlotte is the better team.
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Despite being outscored in the paint and rebounded, Charlotte wins Game 5. Totally deserving as well. Courtney Lee - what a play getting the offensive rebound and nailing the 3


funny that jb should mention that single play ... wade was most certainly getting benefit of the doubt calls that game.
Heat winning a series means nothing to anyone outside of south Florida, and to 90% of the people in south Florida.

Charlotte winning a series sells millions, probably tens of millions in merchandise for the NBA in Asia. You think Lin's going to get some foul calls? Really surprised?

I loved the comment about the Warriors getting 'all the calls'. Really? Have you watched any games this year? The NBA routinely called fouls at 2 x1 or even 3x1 or 4x1 against the Warriors. It was the only way to keep games close. In a fairly called league the Warriors would have won 80 games and had games they won by 60+ points.

The NBA is fun, but come on, the fix is in and has been for decades. Officials keep games close and help teams that need help. It's not as bad as 10 years ago when you could pick the brackets based on the potential tv ratings, but if you're going to bitch about officiating you need to find something else to watch on tv. IT's never going to be fair or honest.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Despite being outscored in the paint and rebounded, Charlotte wins Game 5. Totally deserving as well. Courtney Lee - what a play getting the offensive rebound and nailing the 3


funny that jb should mention that single play ... wade was most certainly getting benefit of the doubt calls that game.


Didn't watch the whole game. Just the last 3 minutes. No clue what else happened.
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Despite being outscored in the paint and rebounded, Charlotte wins Game 5. Totally deserving as well. Courtney Lee - what a play getting the offensive rebound and nailing the 3


funny that jb should mention that single play ... wade was most certainly getting benefit of the doubt calls that game.


Didn't watch the whole game. Just the last 3 minutes. No clue what else happened.

Homer's not gonna homer? Jumped off the bandwagon already?

catmouse Razz
Whoa. How am I a homer? Is it because I defended LBJ when he was here and said he was the best player in the league and Miami would win multiple title? Its not homer if you're right. bart

This Heat team was never a title contender, even with Bosh. I like to talk a little smack but any Heat fan who thinks they are winning a title with this iteration of the team is fooling themselves. Interesting offseason ahead though. Is Riley going to double down and resign Whiteside to a max deal and hope for healthy Bosh and internal growth from Winslow and Richardson or he does he let Whiteside walk and try to bring in a free stud free agent? Two if he convinces Bosh to retire?
I'm referring to you not watching the game, except for the final 3 mins. If you're busy, DVR it and watch the whole thing. C'mon!

No way Bosh is going to retire of his own volition. He wants to play right now! No idea if he's physically going to ever be cleared to play.
I cant watch sports delayed. It drives me nuts. We had a charity event for a local animal sanctuary so I couldnt catch anything except the tail end.

The Bosh thing is going to be interesting. Heat have shown no inclination to clear him.
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Originally posted by jburman82:
I cant watch sports delayed. It drives me nuts. We had a charity event for a local animal sanctuary so I could catch anything except the tail end.

The Bosh thing is going to be interesting. Heat have shown no inclination to clear him.


i agree

if it's over, it's over.
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Originally posted by fusionstorm:
I'm referring to you not watching the game, except for the final 3 mins. If you're busy, DVR it and watch the whole thing. C'mon!

No way Bosh is going to retire of his own volition. He wants to play right now! No idea if he's physically going to ever be cleared to play.


Cmon, Heat fans didn't show up until the 2nd Quarter of Finals games, and left after the 3rd Quarter....you think they will watch a first round game? Roll Eyes
I wonder how many Cav fans were burning his jersies or cussing him out when LBJ left and now root for him? Razz
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
I wonder how many Cav fans were burning his jersies or cussing him out when LBJ left and now root for him? Razz


All of them.
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
I wonder how many Cav fans were burning his jersies or cussing him out when LBJ left and now root for him? Razz


All of them.


This is the correct answer. And if Satan himself could bring one of the Cleveland sports teams a title, he would be a hero, and I would be the first to pat him on the back.
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
I wonder how many Cav fans were burning his jersies or cussing him out when LBJ left and now root for him? Razz


All of them.


This is the correct answer. And if Satan himself could bring one of the Cleveland sports teams a title, he would be a hero, and I would be the first to pat him on the back.


One person can not win a title. That has been proven many times. Takes a great team to win a title. Talent,endurance, depth, health, and with replay, luck is less a part of the equation.

Go Warriors!!!
Congratulations to Luke Walton on being named Head Coach of the LA Lakers. A positive step hopefully. I found it ironic that Luke's last two years as a player were in Cleveland with a Head Coach named Byron Scott.
Cavs have had a problem all season with not stepping on their opponents throat when they have them down by double digits. Almost cost them last night, most likely will against a better opponent.

The Spurs-OKC end of the game had multiple things happening (Waiters pushed off, Ginoboli was over the line with his feet and hands while guarding, Westbrook had his jersey grabbed while cutting for the ball). I think 3 or 4 different fouls could've been called on that one play, so letting them play on may have been best thing to do.
Folks, I have a feeling that this Heat vs Raptors series is going to be a nice little battle. Both teams look like they are not going accept losing. Coaching moves and foul trouble may be the tipping point in a 6-7 gamer
14 years ago today "We sitting in here -- I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we in here talking about practice. I mean, listen: We talking about practice. Not a game. Not a game. Not a game. We talking about practice. Not a game. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last. Not the game. We talking about practice, man."
Greatest athlete soliloquy in the history of sports. Every once in awhile, I literally pull it up on YouTube just to enjoy a good laugh. AI- there will never be another like him. Our daughter has two jerseys- a steph curry jersey, and an iverson throwback.
Love him or hate him it would be hard to argue anyone ever played the game harder. Being from Philly my friends and I relive that interview often. I remember it like it was yesterday.
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Love him or hate him it would be hard to argue anyone ever played the game harder. Being from Philly my friends and I relive that interview often. I remember it like it was yesterday.

Pound for pound, AI might be the greatest offensive force in modern NBA history.

But he didn't play nearly at that activity level on the defensive end. Way too many attempts to cherry pick the passing lanes, and not nearly enough effort (and physical mass) to defend his man, fight thru screens, etc.

Michael Jordan still gets my vote for hardest working/most competitive player ever from end line to end line and back.
Jordan never had to carry the scrubs AI had to carry throughout his entire career

Ill give him a pass on guarding the post up big guards
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Jordan never had to carry the scrubs AI had to carry throughout his entire career

Ill give him a pass on guarding the post up big guards

Bulls before Pippen and Horace Grant joined the roster weren't world beaters.......
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Originally posted by g-man:
Jordan never had to carry the scrubs AI had to carry throughout his entire career

Ill give him a pass on guarding the post up big guards

Bulls before Pippen and Horace Grant joined the roster weren't world beaters.......


george gervin is better than any player ai ever played with during his career on philly
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Jordan never had to carry the scrubs AI had to carry throughout his entire career

Ill give him a pass on guarding the post up big guards

Bulls before Pippen and Horace Grant joined the roster weren't world beaters.......


george gervin is better than any player ai ever played with during his career on philly

33 y/o Ice Man in his final season was not better than Jerry Stackhouse in his 2 seasons with AI, or Andre Iguodala, or Chris Webber when he averaged 20.9 pts and 9.9 rebounds per game over 75 games during the 2005-2006 season.

Yes, the Sixers didn't have strong rosters overall during AI's time there. But to say he never had ANY talent lining up with him isn't true.
8 down...

I'm almost hoping Toronto (or Miami) winds up winning a game against the Cavs so they remember they have to play. They didn't play with enough locked-in intensity this afternoon.

Also, I don't know who those ABC announcers are, but I didn't like them.
Heat and Raptors are apparently equal teams. 4 games - 3 overtimes and the non-overtime game was decided by 4 points. Has that ever happened?

Does not matter, Cavs will destroy either team
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Heat and Raptors are apparently equal teams. 4 games - 3 overtimes and the non-overtime game was decided by 4 points. Has that ever happened?

Does not matter, Cavs will destroy either team


Totally agree. That was an ugly game last night though. After these play-offs will Derozen still get the max?
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Heat and Raptors are apparently equal teams. 4 games - 3 overtimes and the non-overtime game was decided by 4 points. Has that ever happened?

Does not matter, Cavs will destroy either team


Totally agree. That was an ugly game last night though. After these play-offs will Derozen still get the max?


He has a hurt thumb which is affecting his shooting. Dude is getting max.
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Can't we just fast-forward to the Finals?


I've found the OKC-Spurs series interesting so far, and whoever wins vs. Warriors next round should be pretty good as well.

Cavs are pretty dialed in right now, but I see them dropping one game vs. Heat/Raptors winner, just because they will lose focus at some point. The Toronto / Heat series has been brutal to watch.
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Can't we just fast-forward to the Finals?


I've found the OKC-Spurs series interesting so far, and whoever wins vs. Warriors next round should be pretty good as well.

Cavs are pretty dialed in right now, but I see them dropping one game vs. Heat/Raptors winner, just because they will lose focus at some point. The Toronto / Heat series has been brutal to watch.


Unless Whiteside or Valantunous(sp?) comes back I think its a clean sweep. Without those two the teams will get demolished on the boards.
Steph was crazy good in OT. Thank goodness the 3's started falling for him. His first 9 attempts were pretty ugly.

For me, the play of the game was that 3 by Harrison Barnes near the end of the 4th qtr. Just an amazing play. The replay from the camera at midcourt had a great angle and showed Barnes setting the pick, stepping towards the 3pt line with his back to the hoop, and Curry passing it from under the hoop before Barnes had even turned around. The Dubs run some amazing plays. And that one worked to perfection. Huge shot for Barnes.
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Steph was crazy good in OT. Thank goodness the 3's started falling for him. His first 9 attempts were pretty ugly.

For me, the play of the game was that 3 by Harrison Barnes near the end of the 4th qtr. Just an amazing play. The replay from the camera at midcourt had a great angle and showed Barnes setting the pick, stepping towards the 3pt line with his back to the hoop, and Curry passing it from under the hoop before Barnes had even turned around. The Dubs run some amazing plays. And that one worked to perfection. Huge shot for Barnes.

As many scintillating 3s and other baskets Steph made last night, that Barnes 3 with 50 seconds to go in regulation was the most important bucket of the night IMO. He misses there (which he's been doing for most of the playoffs), and it's highly likely the series is tied 2-2.

And for those few misguided individuals who wonder why Mark Jackson has yet to get a coaching gig, that play is something he could've never drawn up. Only a keen basketball mind can draw that up knowing the defense will collapse on Steph and leave Barnes to double team the shooter in the corner.
Not defending Mark Jackson, but the Blazers would probably prefer to have Barnes take that shot. I don't see any brilliance with that play. A brilliant play would free up Curry or Klay to take the shot. No?
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Not defending Mark Jackson, but the Blazers would probably prefer to have Barnes take that shot. I don't see any brilliance with that play. A brilliant play would free up Curry or Klay to take the shot. No?

DD, I'll give you a pass, since you didn't have to suffer through the Mark Jackson era of "iso ball/hero ball".

Drawing up a play in the latter stages of the game isn't just about "hey guys, do this and do that, and it will be guaranteed to work no matter what the opposing team does". Terry Stotts, were it not for the Dubs setting the single-season record for wins, would've been the Coach of the Year. Kerr knows that Stotts is instructing his players to key on Steph and Klay, and basically put their fate in letting Dray/HBarnes/Iggy take the shot. If you watch that play again, you can see how much defensive attention Steph (2 guys marking/chasing him, and Lillard lets HBarnes leak out to the 3 pt line while he becomes the 3rd Blazer to be paying his full attention to Steph driving thru the lane) gets after he receives the ball, and that the Blazers were trying to prevent Steph from passing to Klay in the corner. Iggy was wide open at the top, and Dray's man was playing well off of him as well.

Kerr knew full well that Steph and Klay would essentially occupy at least 4 of the 5 defenders out there, and designed a play where the other Warriors were all ready to receive the ball and shoot. So Kerr felt that a wide open HBarnes (or Dray, or Iggy) was preferable to either Steph or Klay shooting a contested shot.
Officiating continues to be shoddy, as the refs blew an obvious foul by San Antonio with 9 seconds left. To Westbrook's credit he continued to play on and got the 3 point play which sealed the game. But the non-call clearly had an effect on the ending of the game.
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Not defending Mark Jackson, but the Blazers would probably prefer to have Barnes take that shot. I don't see any brilliance with that play. A brilliant play would free up Curry or Klay to take the shot. No?


It's a good point that a brilliant coach would have come up with some crazy play to free up a curry

But being a numbers team. I'm sure they looked at the fact that when curry drives and checks out to an avg spot up shooter they would have a 57% chance of making it in. Barnes is actually better than your avg spot shooter raisng those chances to somewhere around the 60ish mark
Compared to curry shooting, an insane mark, 49-50% contested 3 PT shot the numbers still dictate you pass it off to Barnes

It was the same play i told tpe two years back when we were n Miami watching the spurs final where I told him Manu was getting g the ball on the last shot
Fusionstorm, it all comes down to execution. If Barnes missed that shot, the Blazers claim that was their plan. Teams pretty much have to pick their poison. Having Curry with the ball to kick it out to an open man is a common play.

I didn't watch enough of Mark Jackson coach, but isolation plays were pretty common back then when he played and that's how he learned to coach. You give your best player the ball on a one-on-one match up. To be fair to Jackson, the team he coached was very raw and just started playing together. And, I think Luke Walton could've drawn up the same play. Let's not drink all the Warriors Kool-Aid and put Kerr in the top coaching echelons just yet. Wink
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Fusionstorm, it all comes down to execution. If Barnes missed that shot, the Blazers claim that was their plan. Teams pretty much have to pick their poison. Having Curry with the ball to kick it out to an open man is a common play.


And if the blazers adhered more to the numbers. they acutally should have tried to let curry shoot the contested 50% shot instead of lettin barnes get the kick out > 60% shot
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Fusionstorm, it all comes down to execution. If Barnes missed that shot, the Blazers claim that was their plan. Teams pretty much have to pick their poison. Having Curry with the ball to kick it out to an open man is a common play.

I didn't watch enough of Mark Jackson coach, but isolation plays were pretty common back then when he played and that's how he learned to coach. You give your best player the ball on a one-on-one match up. To be fair to Jackson, the team he coached was very raw and just started playing together. And, I think Luke Walton could've drawn up the same play. Let's not drink all the Warriors Kool-Aid and put Kerr in the top coaching echelons just yet. Wink

Thanks for affirming my point, DD. Jackson doesn't have the chops to coach an NBA team past a certain point. No way do the Warriors win a championship with Jackson at the helm.

As for the "raw" aspect, I'd highly disagree. The team as currently constructed was pretty much all there during the Jackson years. All of them were high IQ players who'd played significant roles for D1 programs. Do you think that Steph was taught iso ball at Davidson, Klay at Wash St, Dray at Michigan St, Barnes at UNC, Iggy at U of AZ, Bogut at Utah, David Lee at Florida, etc.? All those guys came out of programs where plays and sets were the norm, not the exception. So they get to the NBA, and Jackson has to "dumb down" their offense b/c they lack the background? No way.

There's a reason why Bogut, Barnes and DLee were happy to see Jackson go. And why Jackson has thrown Steph under the bus on multiple occasions. Only Dray seems to still be cordial with Jackson (I was literally 10 feet away from them when Dray came over and gave Jackson some dap after the Dubs had clinched the WC title against HOU last year), and even Dray would attribute his development, success and size of his bank account to Kerr and not Jackson (as well as DLee getting injured).
Billy Donovan has successfully made the jump from college to the NBA. Beating a 67 win Spurs team is a big accomplishment, especially since it is coached by the masterful Popovich. Now if OKC could upset Golden State, that would put Billy D in a total new light. I want Billy to make it in the NBA because my fear is that he returns to college to coach either UNC or Duke.