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patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by gigabit:
Russell Westbrook: What a disruptive, athletic, aggressive player! Does he ever slow down? Unbelievable energy!


When on, he cannot be stopped. When off, he can destroy his own team. He has been on for the good for OKC and bad for the W's.

I wish the W's were winning but you have to hand it to OKC and Billy D - although I still hate the owners of that team


IF OKC wins this series, and IF Cleveland gets by Toronto, I think the Westbrook - Kyrie matchup is a nightmare for Cleveland. No way Kyrie can check him, he can only hope to outscore him. I think Lebron can neutralize KD to some extent, but Westbrook scare the sh*t out of me.
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
I think the Westbrook - Kyrie matchup is a nightmare for Cleveland.

And Curry-Klay will be a cakewalk? shake Big Grin


They are a tremendous back court, but neither are the athletic freak that Westbrook is. That's what scares me, I don't know if Kyrie can stay in front of Westbrook
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by scbeerman:
Masterful coaching by Billy D. I have seen it before, getting the team to buy into a total defensive plan. The plan to play physical against Curry is working although I realize you need the athletes to execute it.

And officials that don't ever give a call to curry. The warriors are playing 8 on 5. Make no mistake, the thunder are playing amazingly, but warriors are not getting a damn call, while Westbrook gets the whistle every time someone breathes on him. Warriors have won this year in spite of officiating giving the opponent a extra 5-6 calls a game... Finally catching up to them with a team on equal footing. But the officiating has been utterly atrocious
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Wow. I'm waking up about the time the games are ending. I'm shocked the Warriors are down 3-1.

Did I miss a serious injury or anything?


Nope - although Curry is clearly hurt and not himself - Thunder playing amazing - Westbrook awesome. Donovan outcoaching Kerr dramatically.

And according to TPE - poor officiating
glennkglennkMember
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Donovan outcoaching Kerr dramatically.
Is that true or is the Thunder and especially Westbrook just hot right now while the Warriors are a little off? I thought the narrative most of the year was that Donovan has been a disappointment. Now all of a sudden figured it out? I'm not buying that. I'm guessing the real answer is somewhere in the middle between those 2.
winetarelliwinetarelliMember
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
One of the all time great playoffs performances by Klay. What a frickin game. I still can't believe it. I can't wait for game 7!

Klay was incredible and single-handedly kept his team in it until Curry and others stepped up. I always enjoy watching Iguodala play, too.

I've been going back and forth on which team I'd like Cleveland to face in the finals. But full-strength GS seems like the better story. Also, I'm not declaring an opinion on who the better player is between Curry and Westbrook, but I think Kyrie would have more ability to guard Curry. OTOH, Cleveland would have home court against OKC, and even though he's 2 inches shorter, I think LeBron is well equipped to Handle Durant, and Durant would have a problem guarding LeBron.
B bfwMember
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
One of the all time great playoffs performances by Klay. What a frickin game. I still can't believe it. I can't wait for game 7!


He was unconscious.

All the momentum on GSW's side now. I'm sure Westbrook and crew will give it their all but it will be very difficult to win Game 7 in Oakland.

Bfw
winetarelliwinetarelliMember
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
One of the all time great playoffs performances by Klay. What a frickin game. I still can't believe it. I can't wait for game 7!


He was unconscious.

All the momentum on GSW's side now. I'm sure Westbrook and crew will give it their all but it will be very difficult to win Game 7 in Oakland.

Bfw

I believe I heard Marv Albert say that of the 125 7th games in NBA playoffs history, 124 of them have been won by the home team? Could that possibly be true?
glennkglennkMember
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
but I think Kyrie would have more ability to guard Curry.
I don't think Kyrie is really all that interested in guarding anyone, ever. I love his talent but he is frustrating to watch at times because he gives very inconsistent effort.

Klay was great last night. Durant was really forcing it in the first half and didn't play his game.
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
One of the all time great playoffs performances by Klay. What a frickin game. I still can't believe it. I can't wait for game 7!


He was unconscious.

All the momentum on GSW's side now. I'm sure Westbrook and crew will give it their all but it will be very difficult to win Game 7 in Oakland.

Bfw

I believe I heard Marv Albert say that of the 125 7th games in NBA playoffs history, 124 of them have been won by the home team? Could that possibly be true?

There have been 124 game 7s. The home team is 100-24. This will be the 125th game 7.
winetarelliwinetarelliMember
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
One of the all time great playoffs performances by Klay. What a frickin game. I still can't believe it. I can't wait for game 7!


He was unconscious.

All the momentum on GSW's side now. I'm sure Westbrook and crew will give it their all but it will be very difficult to win Game 7 in Oakland.

Bfw

I believe I heard Marv Albert say that of the 125 7th games in NBA playoffs history, 124 of them have been won by the home team? Could that possibly be true?

There have been 124 game 7s. The home team is 100-24. This will be the 125th game 7.

That makes a lot more sense.
patespo1patespo1Member
Terrific effort by the Warriors last night. As much as I hate Curry, he and Klay put on another great performance last night.

Should be a terrific series against a full strength Cavalier team.

Will be interesting to see if the refs let Draymond continue his thuggish ways, or if the league steps in. I could see him and Tristan Thompson getting locked up a few times in this series.
P pauljr1121Member
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Originally posted by patespo1:
Terrific effort by the Warriors last night. As much as I hate Curry, he and Klay put on another great performance last night.

Should be a terrific series against a full strength Cavalier team.

Will be interesting to see if the refs let Draymond continue his thuggish ways, or if the league steps in. I could see him and Tristan Thompson getting locked up a few times in this series.


He went for the straight Ricky Steamboat arm drag takedown. You gotta be careful when you try that on a larger guy. If he doesn't clear your hips he's landing right on top of you. On the way down it looks like Adams grabbed Draymond's head and went for the Jake the Snake DDT. No sympathy for Adams however, he's very dirty I watched him go at Demarcus Cousins' knee on consecutive occasions. He then tried to wrestle him down and fell. As he's sitting on the ground Boogie cocked his fist back and came within inches of killing the guy and punching him in the back of the head. As long as Adams wouldn't have died on the play it would've been justified.
glennkglennkMember
Fun series to watch and hopefully the finals lives up to that.

I thought the officiating in series was all over the map. There were times when both teams were getting the favored calls but IMO the Warriors received a lot of home calls in game 5&7. Durant was getting mugged yesterday with no calls. That said, the better team won. OKC is missing the depth that the Warriors have.

Curry and Klay are just deadly when both on. They can close the gap so quickly when they are behind they never really feel out of a game.
InsightInsightMember
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Originally posted by BOMBA503:
Haven't watched much basketball the last several years but have been watching quite a bit lately. The game just seems to be constant fast breaks and quick shots. Fun to watch but very different than I remember. Serious question, When did they stop playing defense in the NBA?

Yea, teams should be playing D like the Magic Johnson Lakers and Larry Bird Celtics did every time they met each other in the NBA Finals, amirite??!!?? You know, when every game played between the two but one had both teams scoring triple figure points.

The 1987 Finals matchup in particular should be required reading for every defensive-minded coach. That's when the Lakers closed out the Celtics in Game 6 by holding them to 93 points, which was the only time in their Finals matchups in the 1980s where either team scored less than 100 points. But the tone, direction and foundation of that epic defensive showcase were clearly laid in Games 1 and 2, when LA focused their defensive energies in grind 'em out victories over Boston. The final scores of 126-113 and 141-122 do nothing to convey how stellar the D was that both teams were playing on those nights.

bomba503bomba503Member
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Originally posted by fusionstorm:
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Originally posted by BOMBA503:
Haven't watched much basketball the last several years but have been watching quite a bit lately. The game just seems to be constant fast breaks and quick shots. Fun to watch but very different than I remember. Serious question, When did they stop playing defense in the NBA?

Yea, teams should be playing D like the Magic Johnson Lakers and Larry Bird Celtics did every time they met each other in the NBA Finals, amirite??!!?? You know, when every game played between the two but one had both teams scoring triple figure points.

The 1987 Finals matchup in particular should be required reading for every defensive-minded coach. That's when the Lakers closed out the Celtics in Game 6 by holding them to 93 points, which was the only time in their Finals matchups in the 1980s where either team scored less than 100 points. But the tone, direction and foundation of that epic defensive showcase were clearly laid in Games 1 and 2, when LA focused their defensive energies in grind 'em out victories over Boston. The final scores of 126-113 and 141-122 do nothing to convey how stellar the D was that both teams were playing on those nights.



I don't get it. So you are saying 86? I remember a much more physical game being played after that
winetarelliwinetarelliMember
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
Anyone know what the Vegas odds are? I would guess the Warriors are favored but not by much.
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
In flux but Warriors seem to be 1-to-2 favorites
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Originally posted by patespo1:
GS is 2:1 favorite to win the Series. I can't wait until tomorrow!

Order matters. Wink Wink Razz Razz Razz
InsightInsightMember
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Originally posted by BOMBA503:
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Originally posted by fusionstorm:
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Originally posted by BOMBA503:
Haven't watched much basketball the last several years but have been watching quite a bit lately. The game just seems to be constant fast breaks and quick shots. Fun to watch but very different than I remember. Serious question, When did they stop playing defense in the NBA?

Yea, teams should be playing D like the Magic Johnson Lakers and Larry Bird Celtics did every time they met each other in the NBA Finals, amirite??!!?? You know, when every game played between the two but one had both teams scoring triple figure points.

The 1987 Finals matchup in particular should be required reading for every defensive-minded coach. That's when the Lakers closed out the Celtics in Game 6 by holding them to 93 points, which was the only time in their Finals matchups in the 1980s where either team scored less than 100 points. But the tone, direction and foundation of that epic defensive showcase were clearly laid in Games 1 and 2, when LA focused their defensive energies in grind 'em out victories over Boston. The final scores of 126-113 and 141-122 do nothing to convey how stellar the D was that both teams were playing on those nights.



I don't get it. So you are saying 86? I remember a much more physical game being played after that

You're killing me, Smalls. 1986 NBA Finals pitted Boston versus Houston Rockets.
bomba503bomba503Member
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Originally posted by fusionstorm:
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Originally posted by BOMBA503:
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Originally posted by fusionstorm:
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Originally posted by BOMBA503:
Haven't watched much basketball the last several years but have been watching quite a bit lately. The game just seems to be constant fast breaks and quick shots. Fun to watch but very different than I remember. Serious question, When did they stop playing defense in the NBA?

Yea, teams should be playing D like the Magic Johnson Lakers and Larry Bird Celtics did every time they met each other in the NBA Finals, amirite??!!?? You know, when every game played between the two but one had both teams scoring triple figure points.

The 1987 Finals matchup in particular should be required reading for every defensive-minded coach. That's when the Lakers closed out the Celtics in Game 6 by holding them to 93 points, which was the only time in their Finals matchups in the 1980s where either team scored less than 100 points. But the tone, direction and foundation of that epic defensive showcase were clearly laid in Games 1 and 2, when LA focused their defensive energies in grind 'em out victories over Boston. The final scores of 126-113 and 141-122 do nothing to convey how stellar the D was that both teams were playing on those nights.



I don't get it. So you are saying 86? I remember a much more physical game being played after that

You're killing me, Smalls. 1986 NBA Finals pitted Boston versus Houston Rockets.


Just messing with ya. Seriously, Ive got nothing against the current game. I love the new faster paced game and I know some rule changes took a bit of the physicality out of the game. I was just wondering when the sea change really took place.

Speaking of Boston. Johnny Most, longtime voice of the Celtics was a good friend and roomate of my dad at Brooklyn College. He invited my Dad and I a few times to watch early 70's Sixers-Celtics games in the press box when they came to Philly. Growing up in a family of non-drinkers/smokers he's the first person I ever saw drink and smoke heavily.
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Good for Shaun Livingston - dude totally deserves success. Kudos to Iggy for resisting punching Dellovadova in his stupid smirking face.


Iggy should've been T'd up. That was a basic basketball play, swiping at the ball. You know, unlike Draymond almost kicking Kyrie in the head in the first quarter.
patespo1patespo1Member
Don't know what to make of the first game; Kyrie played too much hero ball, he was 1-9 on shots where he brought the ball up and didn't pass. Lebron was taking the ball to the bucket first quarter at will, and then settled for jumpers rest of the game. Cavs missed a ton of layups. JR Smith takes 3 shots??

On the flip side, Steph and Klay were held to combined season low. Yes, I said were held, not had collective off nights. Can the Warriors bench have a similar performance again in the series?

As I told TPE yesterday, I expected GS to win last night, and fully expect Cleveland to get Game 2.
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Good for Shaun Livingston - dude totally deserves success. Kudos to Iggy for resisting punching Dellovadova in his stupid smirking face.


Iggy should've been T'd up. That was a basic basketball play, swiping at the ball. You know, unlike Draymond almost kicking Kyrie in the head in the first quarter.


Basic basketball play from the guy who took out Korver last season's playoffs, and got Gibson and Horford ejected with his antics - only a homer or Van Gundy would suggest Iggy should have been teed up. Refs handled it correctly - foul - nothing else - should have done it quicker. I have no doubt Delly knew exactly what he was doing but no biggie.
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Will be at games 3&4 in Cleveland!!! Hopefully I get to watch the warriors raise the Larry O'Brien trophy!


Cool your jets on that Paul, not while I'm at game 4. I'll storm the court before I let that happen.
Glad I had an overnight flight and missed the game last night. Sounds like a pretty sad effort from my Cavs
glennkglennkMember
That was a beat down last night. Warriors looked so in sync with great ball movement and swarming defense. The Cavs looked like the opposite of that. LeBron had that dear in the headlights look most of the game. His numbers looked good on paper but he was very passive when he should have been attacking. His supporting cast was pretty bad last night as well.
doubleddoubledMember
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
I was fully expecting the Cavs to sweep.


I wonder if that's the worst prediction of all time.

Take it easy ... I was just being facetitious although I thought the series would be much closer and the Cavs would have a chance to win the whole thing.
S stefaniawineMember
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
I was fully expecting the Cavs to sweep.


I wonder if that's the worst prediction of all time.

Take it easy ... I was just being facetitious although I thought the series would be much closer and the Cavs would have a chance to win the whole thing.


That's still a bad prediction
InsightInsightMember
LBJ is the non-Dubs player I respect the most in the league.

LBJ as a GM sucks. The Dubs have the best roster top to bottom in the league, and they've proven that time and again over the course of a series. LBJ would kill to have guys like Iguodala and Livingston in his starting lineup, much less coming off the bench like the Dubs have the luxury of. Instead, he has guys like James Jones and Mo Williams doing little except cashing checks.
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by Juicy:
Draymond Green is suspended for Game 5 as the altercation between Green and Lebron was upgraded to a Flagrant 1 for Green and a technical for Lebron.

Go Warriors

That's a BS call. I've seen worse, much worse from Dray.


It's the culmination of his antics in the playoffs. No one naturally flails his arms and legs like he does. Somewhere Steven Adams is cheering
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Draymond was right. Lebron is a bitch.
One of my buddies is die hard Cavs fan and wants more than anything for them to win. Even he agrees that lebron is a bitch. Smile


A lot of us Cavs fans agree with Draymond. That being said, Draymond's antics throughout the playoffs lead up to this point. You knew the Cavs were going to try and antagonize his to get this results. I can't believe Warriors fans don't complain more about how he hurts his team when he constantly goes after other guys junk.
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How is losing to possibly the greatest team in NBA history failure? They should lose. GSW is better. IMO, the only LBJ failure in the finals is 2011.

because homeboy still thinks he is the best player in the world, and has gone out of his way to disrespect steph on multiple occasions. sorry lebron, this is curry's league.
Q qhdeputyMember
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How is losing to possibly the greatest team in NBA history failure? They should lose. GSW is better. IMO, the only LBJ failure in the finals is 2011.

because homeboy still thinks he is the best player in the world, and has gone out of his way to disrespect steph on multiple occasions. sorry lebron, this is curry's league.


And a much better ambassador of the game!
J jburman82Member
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How is losing to possibly the greatest team in NBA history failure? They should lose. GSW is better. IMO, the only LBJ failure in the finals is 2011.

because homeboy still thinks he is the best player in the world, and has gone out of his way to disrespect steph on multiple occasions. sorry lebron, this is curry's league.


That's all well and good. You don't like him. We get it. However, it has nothing to do with the facts of the game itself that its stupid to criticize someone for losing to possibly the greatest team ever.
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How is losing to possibly the greatest team in NBA history failure? They should lose. GSW is better. IMO, the only LBJ failure in the finals is 2011.

because homeboy still thinks he is the best player in the world, and has gone out of his way to disrespect steph on multiple occasions. sorry lebron, this is curry's league.


That's all well and good. You don't like him. We get it. However, it has nothing to do with the facts of the game itself that its stupid to criticize someone for losing to possibly the greatest team ever.

i actually do like lebron... i think he is a great player... a top 10 player of all time... maybe even a top 5 player of all time. i do think the way he handled the dustup was a bitch move though.
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How is losing to possibly the greatest team in NBA history failure? They should lose. GSW is better. IMO, the only LBJ failure in the finals is 2011.

because homeboy still thinks he is the best player in the world, and has gone out of his way to disrespect steph on multiple occasions. sorry lebron, this is curry's league.


Curry has had one game out of 4 where he has made an impact. Livingston may be the MVP off the bench. Iggy was MVP last year. Curry is a great shooter and ball handler. Lebron is a better player.
W winespartyMember
I saw no problem with what LBJ did honestly. I am sure he was whining, but that seems status quo for the NBA. I didn't think it was a big deal for him to step over Draymond. Draymond fell (or flopped) and LBJ took the quickest path back to the play.

Draymond was a great Spartan and still loves MSU and does a lot for them, but I really don't care for him much nowadays. I'd obviously say differently if I were a Warriors fan, though.

I was honestly more intrigued by what went on between LBJ & Curry to garner Curry's reaction, which I thought was pretty amusing.
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by Wine Sparty:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Anyone who has played basketball or any sport competitively knows that LeBron's step over maneuver had nothing to do with getting back into the play -

I've heard similar comments (although yours is more bold than I've heard), but I guess I just don't get the big deal of it.


In basketball and other sports, it is one of the ultimate ways to disrespect your opponent. That is why when they do it in the NFL, the opposing player almost always picks up the guy and throws him off. Green should not have risen to the bait, but the intent behind it is clear.

When anyone did that to me in my basketball days, they ended up on their ass
W winespartyMember
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by Wine Sparty:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Anyone who has played basketball or any sport competitively knows that LeBron's step over maneuver had nothing to do with getting back into the play -

I've heard similar comments (although yours is more bold than I've heard), but I guess I just don't get the big deal of it.


In basketball and other sports, it is one of the ultimate ways to disrespect your opponent. That is why when they do it in the NFL, the opposing player almost always picks up the guy and throws him off. Green should not have risen to the bait, but the intent behind it is clear.

When anyone did that to me in my basketball days, they ended up on their ass

It's interesting because I've heard more talk about this topic in the last few days than in the rest of my life. I don't recall ever really hearing it brought up before, and I've been watching sports for 30 years. Then again, maybe I was too young to remember it a long time ago (including when I did play sports), or else drank too many beers while watching games in the last 20 years. Wink

It seems the biggest arguments and debates in sports tend to come about over unwritten rules such as this.
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by Wine Sparty:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by Wine Sparty:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Anyone who has played basketball or any sport competitively knows that LeBron's step over maneuver had nothing to do with getting back into the play -

I've heard similar comments (although yours is more bold than I've heard), but I guess I just don't get the big deal of it.


In basketball and other sports, it is one of the ultimate ways to disrespect your opponent. That is why when they do it in the NFL, the opposing player almost always picks up the guy and throws him off. Green should not have risen to the bait, but the intent behind it is clear.

When anyone did that to me in my basketball days, they ended up on their ass

It's interesting because I've heard more talk about this topic in the last few days than in the rest of my life. I don't recall ever really hearing it brought up before, and I've been watching sports for 30 years. Then again, maybe I was too young to remember it a long time ago (including when I did play sports), or else drank too many beers while watching games in the last 20 years. Wink

It seems the biggest arguments and debates in sports tend to come about over unwritten rules such as this.

you don't hear about it much, because it is RARELY done. people are still talking about Iverson stepping over Tyronn Lue damn near 15 years later... it is the ultimate form of disrespect.
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