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G g-manMember
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Originally posted by Juicy:
Still trying to figure out how Steven Adams got from the arc in the lane near the basket to the 3 point line on one dribble.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAY11A5Utow

Play starts at about 1:13


it's the continuation of a dribble movement and it's part of the new rules.

it's the one alot of old timers like to complain about that if havlicek where playing in today's game, he'd be a master dribbler.
sunnylea57sunnylea57Member
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
Tomorrow is national Hug A Raptor Fan day


Raptors fans got a bit of a reality check last night. I knew the Cavs were better, I just didn't realize how much better. That was impressive.

I thought the Cavs might be rusty and the Raps might be riding the high of Game 7, but it was clear that the Cavs were a well-rested and well-oiled machine while the Raps were spent. They couldn't keep up with the Cavs' energy. Their defensive effort was non-existent. As for their offence, they couldn't find their way into the paint, and their perimeter shooting was sub-par.

I think Game 2 will be better, but it's hard to say by how much.
doubleddoubledMember
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
prediction: warriors win by 10+ tonight. any takers?


Id be shocked if the NBA allowed GS to go down 2-0

Yeah, the Warriors will be getting the calls tonight. But if KD improves his shooting percentage, OKC will have a chance in the final 2 minutes.
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by Adam10:
Why hug a Raptors fan? Already their best ever season no matter what happens. Goal was to get past first round. Getting to the Eastern Finals was a huge achievement. Anything else is gravy. Pressure's only on Cavs.


If you're happy to watch your team get blown out, because they won a series or two as the #2 seed, fine by me.

'Pressure's on the Cavs' Maybe next round
doubleddoubledMember
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
prediction: warriors win by 10+ tonight. any takers?


Id be shocked if the NBA allowed GS to go down 2-0

Yeah, the Warriors will be getting the calls tonight. But if KD improves his shooting percentage, OKC will have a chance in the final 2 minutes.

I didn't account for KD's turnovers. That was just sloppy performance. I'm glad I didn't counter TPE's offer with 15 points!
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
prediction: warriors win by 10+ tonight. any takers?


Id be shocked if the NBA allowed GS to go down 2-0

Yeah, the Warriors will be getting the calls tonight. But if KD improves his shooting percentage, OKC will have a chance in the final 2 minutes.

I didn't account for KD's turnovers. That was just sloppy performance. I'm glad I didn't counter TPE's offer with 15 points!


well the ticky tack calls dont help either

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15600161

beautiful shot from ig, but that was no foul
InsightInsightMember
OKC didn't lose Game 2 b/c the refs were helping GS. They got their butts kicked by the return of "video game Steph" along with solid performances by almost everyone else on the roster (Klay, Iggy and Livingston were the main guys who played below their usual level).

All the pressure is on OKC for Game 3. Should be a competitive game this Sunday.
InsightInsightMember
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by g-man:


well the ticky tack calls dont help either

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15600161

beautiful shot from ig, but that was no foul

Watch that vid again from the overhead view. Westbrook makes contact with Iggy's leg as he flies by. NBA gives more protection to guys when they're in a "defenseless position" like Iggy was. He's not rendered off balance there b/c he's clumsy or he hit a swarm of mosquitoes in mid-flight. Westbrook didn't protest the call at all. Clear foul.
InsightInsightMember
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Originally posted by g-man:
nope

try doing a double pump like ig did.

You will most likely look even uglier doing it, but it's the natural motion to kick your leg back out like that.

There was no leg hit.

Dude, just b/c your court game is clumsy doesn't mean everyone else in the NBA is at a similar level. Razz

As TPE points out, the video shows there was contact by Westbrook that was forceful enough to have knocked Iggy off balance. The human body is incapable of changing directions in mid-air, unless a secondary force is applied to it. Iggy, while not at his peak, isn't that far removed from his peak and is still a world-class athlete. He's not going from in control to so off balance he takes his eyes off the rim, throws the ball up and focuses all of his attention instead on cushioning his fall b/c of trying to execute a double pump layup.

shake
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Who cares about that call - it was one call and the W's won by 30.

There are close and missed calls in every game - unless the call is at the end of a tight game, the overall impact is minimal


that is completely incorrect.

it's the calls throughout the game that drives potentially the way the game is played.

unfortunately we as humans prefer to highlight only the last 2 minutes in deciding whether or not we were robbed.
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by fusionstorm:
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Originally posted by g-man:
nope

try doing a double pump like ig did.

You will most likely look even uglier doing it, but it's the natural motion to kick your leg back out like that.

There was no leg hit.

Dude, just b/c your court game is clumsy doesn't mean everyone else in the NBA is at a similar level. Razz

As TPE points out, the video shows there was contact by Westbrook that was forceful enough to have knocked Iggy off balance. The human body is incapable of changing directions in mid-air, unless a secondary force is applied to it. Iggy, while not at his peak, isn't that far removed from his peak and is still a world-class athlete. He's not going from in control to so off balance he takes his eyes off the rim, throws the ball up and focuses all of his attention instead on cushioning his fall b/c of trying to execute a double pump layup.

shake


it's okay, you can suspend belief of biomechanics.
S stefaniawineMember
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Originally posted by g-man:


that is completely incorrect.

it's the calls throughout the game that drives potentially the way the game is played.



G-Man really? You think NBA games are ever called fair and even? I have a unicorn for you and will split this great offer I have for $10 million free and clear from Nigeria with you if you do.

Basically the foul calls were flip flopped game 1 to 2. Personally I think the NBA goal in game one was just keep OKC close then the Warriors funked it up at the end. I don't think the refs meant to give it to OKC, the Warriors just folded.

Game two was a 'slight' advantage given to the Warriors and I know the count was 32 -19 but Curry gets fouled 5 times that are not called every game, so that's slight. Result is a blow out. In a fair called game, and there is no such thing in the NBA, the Warriors win every game by 20, and people stop watching after half time at game 3.

The NBA NEVER wants tv ratings to drop after game 3, they want them going up. Like I said a few pages back, I don't think they are fixing every series like they used to, but they keep every series close and 'competitive'.
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
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Originally posted by g-man:


that is completely incorrect.

it's the calls throughout the game that drives potentially the way the game is played.



G-Man really? You think NBA games are ever called fair and even? I have a unicorn for you and will split this great offer I have for $10 million free and clear from Nigeria with you if you do.

Basically the foul calls were flip flopped game 1 to 2. Personally I think the NBA goal in game one was just keep OKC close then the Warriors funked it up at the end. I don't think the refs meant to give it to OKC, the Warriors just folded.

Game two was a 'slight' advantage given to the Warriors and I know the count was 32 -19 but Curry gets fouled 5 times that are not called every game, so that's slight. Result is a blow out. In a fair called game, and there is no such thing in the NBA, the Warriors win every game by 20, and people stop watching after half time at game 3.

The NBA NEVER wants tv ratings to drop after game 3, they want them going up. Like I said a few pages back, I don't think they are fixing every series like they used to, but they keep every series close and 'competitive'.


We're saying the same thing

Some folks here think the refs only do it the last two minutes of the game
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Stefania Wine:
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Originally posted by g-man:


that is completely incorrect.

it's the calls throughout the game that drives potentially the way the game is played.



G-Man really? You think NBA games are ever called fair and even? I have a unicorn for you and will split this great offer I have for $10 million free and clear from Nigeria with you if you do.

Basically the foul calls were flip flopped game 1 to 2. Personally I think the NBA goal in game one was just keep OKC close then the Warriors funked it up at the end. I don't think the refs meant to give it to OKC, the Warriors just folded.

Game two was a 'slight' advantage given to the Warriors and I know the count was 32 -19 but Curry gets fouled 5 times that are not called every game, so that's slight. Result is a blow out. In a fair called game, and there is no such thing in the NBA, the Warriors win every game by 20, and people stop watching after half time at game 3.

The NBA NEVER wants tv ratings to drop after game 3, they want them going up. Like I said a few pages back, I don't think they are fixing every series like they used to, but they keep every series close and 'competitive'.


We're saying the same thing

Some folks here think the refs only do it the last two minutes of the game


That was not my point remotely - my point was that your individual review of fouls is a ridiculous and useless exercise as similar BS calls happen in every quarter of every game - it is up the players to deal with that and the BS calls at the end of the game are the ones that cannot be overcome by players due to the lack of time and end-game of it. Picking specific plays not at the end of the game to analyze whether called correctly is a complete waste of time although it is your time so feel free to waste as much of it as you want
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by g-man:
nope, still incorrect.

all calls matter in a game, the ones @ the last 2 minutes do not matter more, only closer scrutinized.

one can pick out random plays because it's what espn has.

if you dont think that refs can very much direct/control the outcome of the game, i have the same unicorn that stefania's selling.


Think whatever you want - - I give up - you are right - without the Refs, the W's would have only won by 22 instead of 30 last night - Big f'ing deal - continue wasting your time -
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
nope, still incorrect.

all calls matter in a game, the ones @ the last 2 minutes do not matter more, only closer scrutinized.

one can pick out random plays because it's what espn has.

if you dont think that refs can very much direct/control the outcome of the game, i have the same unicorn that stefania's selling.


Think whatever you want - - I give up - you are right - without the Refs, the W's would have only won by 22 instead of 30 last night - Big f'ing deal - continue wasting your time -


so angry. someone spit in your wine yesterday?

without the refs, the series wouldnt' be 1-1
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
nope, still incorrect.

all calls matter in a game, the ones @ the last 2 minutes do not matter more, only closer scrutinized.

one can pick out random plays because it's what espn has.

if you dont think that refs can very much direct/control the outcome of the game, i have the same unicorn that stefania's selling.


Think whatever you want - - I give up - you are right - without the Refs, the W's would have only won by 22 instead of 30 last night - Big f'ing deal - continue wasting your time -


so angry. someone spit in your wine yesterday?

without the refs, the series wouldnt' be 1-1

You're right- the warriors would be up 2-0.
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by g-man:
nope, still incorrect.

all calls matter in a game, the ones @ the last 2 minutes do not matter more, only closer scrutinized.

one can pick out random plays because it's what espn has.

if you dont think that refs can very much direct/control the outcome of the game, i have the same unicorn that stefania's selling.


Think whatever you want - - I give up - you are right - without the Refs, the W's would have only won by 22 instead of 30 last night - Big f'ing deal - continue wasting your time -


so angry. someone spit in your wine yesterday?

without the refs, the series wouldnt' be 1-1

You're right- the warriors would be up 2-0.


which is why if you said the series are going to 5, i would have took that bet.
patespo1patespo1Member
Midway through the Cavs season, they looked like a dysfunctional group of individuals. Now they look like a Team. Lebron is not doing his usual 'not get back on defense while complaining about a bad call' act. His body language is 100% all in.

As TPE said last night, the East may not be strong, but 10-0 start is impressive.
B bfwMember
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Originally posted by CSM:
I hate LeBron, but he is impressive. And pretty much unguardable. The Raptors don't have a prayer of winning a game this series.


Sheesh. A little harsh.

Hopefully wrong as I'm going to tomorrow's game.

For the Raps to win, they need Lowry to hit 3s and not turn it over. Even then it will be tough.

Oh yeah, they'll likely get more calls at home.

I'm still hoping they can win 1 game.

Bfw
A adam10Member
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by Adam10:
Why hug a Raptors fan? Already their best ever season no matter what happens. Goal was to get past first round. Getting to the Eastern Finals was a huge achievement. Anything else is gravy. Pressure's only on Cavs.


If you're happy to watch your team get blown out, because they won a series or two as the #2 seed, fine by me.

'Pressure's on the Cavs' Maybe next round


Not happy to see a blow out but rather that than not be there at all. Should we hate the team or something? They're growing and improving. That's a good thing, last time I checked.
winetarelliwinetarelliMember
Based upon what was going on even at the end of the regular season, I really didn't know what the Cavs would look like in the playoffs and if they would be able to deal with the West.

Obviously, something has changed.

If the other shoe doesn't drop -- and it still might -- but if it doesn't, I think they have a strong possibility of taking it all and bringing the first major sports championship to Cleveland in over 50 years.
sunnylea57sunnylea57Member
The GS and Cavs final will be great viewing.

The entire playoffs has been painful to watch as a Raptors fan. As much as I love them, this team just doesn't have backbone. They manned up just enough to squeak through to the Eastern Finals, but the Cavs are showing up the Raps' weaknesses for all to see. We might win one of the next two games - if we have one of our "inspired" streaks and it lasts a full 48 minutes - but that's about the best I can hope for.
J juicyMember
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
Based upon what was going on even at the end of the regular season, I really didn't know what the Cavs would look like in the playoffs and if they would be able to deal with the West.

Obviously, something has changed.

If the other shoe doesn't drop -- and it still might -- but if it doesn't, I think they have a strong possibility of taking it all and bringing the first major sports championship to Cleveland in over 50 years.


Have been reading the Cavs are eating together, laughing together, etc. Also adding depth with Frye has been able to make a positive change in spreading the floor. They are more of a team now and healthy as a result of improved depth.

The Warriors and OKC will beat up each other. The Cavs will likely be favored as both of the western finalists are currently playing hurt.

Go Warriors.
sunnylea57sunnylea57Member
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
The GS and Cavs final will be great viewing.

The entire playoffs has been painful to watch as a Raptors fan. As much as I love them, this team just doesn't have backbone. They manned up just enough to squeak through to the Eastern Finals, but the Cavs are showing up the Raps' weaknesses for all to see. We might win one of the next two games - if we have one of our "inspired" streaks and it lasts a full 48 minutes - but that's about the best I can hope for.

Well, there was an inspired 48 minutes at both ends. Great performance by the Raps.
winetarelliwinetarelliMember
I think this game showed how to beat the Cavs, unfortunately.

Psychological warfare. Make Kyrie become a passer and make LeBron score 40. They hate those roles. When LeBron is playing point-forward and Kyrie is playing shooting-guard-with-unusual-ball-handling-skills the Cavs are incredible; but if you make Kyrie a passer he may simply not adapt. And LeBron is almost too much of a team player.
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by jburman82:
I think all last night showed is regression to the mean is a b!tch.


Cavs were do for a clunker, hopefully they got it out of their system. Toronto played great, but can they get another 26 rebound effort out of Biyombo? Unlikely.

Game Four will tell if it was a one game fluke or if Toronto is going to turn this into a series
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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I think all last night showed is regression to the mean is a b!tch.
 
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One game folks- let's pump the brakes on "this is how you beat the cavs." Blueprint or not, the cavs still have loads more talent than the raptors, and that trumps. 5 games.
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by bfw:
Talent trumps if you've got heart.

Last night, the Raps simply had way more heart than the Cavs. Lebron's flop was absurd. Biyombo stuffing him was epic.

Biyombo one on one with Lebron...all night tomorrow. We'll see what he is truly made of when facing someone who is only afraid of lions Smile

Bfw

ROFLMAO! Thank you for the laughs. 5 straight finals is 5 more than Beyond-bust has ever reached. Not worried about Lebron's "heart" at all. Straight comedic gold.
B bfwMember
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
Talent trumps if you've got heart.

Last night, the Raps simply had way more heart than the Cavs. Lebron's flop was absurd. Biyombo stuffing him was epic.

Biyombo one on one with Lebron...all night tomorrow. We'll see what he is truly made of when facing someone who is only afraid of lions Smile

Bfw

ROFLMAO! Thank you for the laughs. 5 straight finals is 5 more than Beyond-bust has ever reached. Not worried about Lebron's "heart" at all. Straight comedic gold.


Lebron has never won a championship in Cleveland. He joined a winner in D Wade and surrounded himself with other stars (Bosh).

He went back to Cleveland to try bring a championship there and secure his place as an all time great...maybe the greatest ever. Again, he has surrounded himself with nice pieces.

So far, his legacy will not eclipse Kobe or MJ unless he wins another championship.

And yes...I saw it right in front of me..Lebron did not want to take Biyombo 1 on 1 last night.

Watching a game live can give you a better perspective.

Have fun rooting for Leflop!

Bfw
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T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
Talent trumps if you've got heart.

Last night, the Raps simply had way more heart than the Cavs. Lebron's flop was absurd. Biyombo stuffing him was epic.

Biyombo one on one with Lebron...all night tomorrow. We'll see what he is truly made of when facing someone who is only afraid of lions Smile

Bfw

ROFLMAO! Thank you for the laughs. 5 straight finals is 5 more than Beyond-bust has ever reached. Not worried about Lebron's "heart" at all. Straight comedic gold.


Lebron has never won a championship in Cleveland. He joined a winner in D Wade and surrounded himself with other stars (Bosh).

He went back to Cleveland to try bring a championship there and secure his place as an all time great...maybe the greatest ever. Again, he has surrounded himself with nice pieces.

So far, his legacy will not eclipse Kobe or MJ unless he wins another championship.

And yes...I saw it right in front of me..Lebron did not want to take Biyombo 1 on 1 last night.

Watching a game live can give you a better perspective.

Have fun rooting for Leflop!

Bfw

Throw me a bet on game 4. Enough talking, let's put money on it.
patespo1patespo1Member
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
Talent trumps if you've got heart.

Last night, the Raps simply had way more heart than the Cavs. Lebron's flop was absurd. Biyombo stuffing him was epic.

Biyombo one on one with Lebron...all night tomorrow. We'll see what he is truly made of when facing someone who is only afraid of lions Smile

Bfw

ROFLMAO! Thank you for the laughs. 5 straight finals is 5 more than Beyond-bust has ever reached. Not worried about Lebron's "heart" at all. Straight comedic gold.


Lebron has never won a championship in Cleveland. He joined a winner in D Wade and surrounded himself with other stars (Bosh).

He went back to Cleveland to try bring a championship there and secure his place as an all time great...maybe the greatest ever. Again, he has surrounded himself with nice pieces.

So far, his legacy will not eclipse Kobe or MJ unless he wins another championship.

And yes...I saw it right in front of me..Lebron did not want to take Biyombo 1 on 1 last night.

Watching a game live can give you a better perspective.

Have fun rooting for Leflop!

Bfw

Throw me a bet on game 4. Enough talking, let's put money on it.


He won't bet you, he saw the game live, he knows it was a fluke
B bfwMember
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
Talent trumps if you've got heart.

Last night, the Raps simply had way more heart than the Cavs. Lebron's flop was absurd. Biyombo stuffing him was epic.

Biyombo one on one with Lebron...all night tomorrow. We'll see what he is truly made of when facing someone who is only afraid of lions Smile

Bfw

ROFLMAO! Thank you for the laughs. 5 straight finals is 5 more than Beyond-bust has ever reached. Not worried about Lebron's "heart" at all. Straight comedic gold.


Lebron has never won a championship in Cleveland. He joined a winner in D Wade and surrounded himself with other stars (Bosh).

He went back to Cleveland to try bring a championship there and secure his place as an all time great...maybe the greatest ever. Again, he has surrounded himself with nice pieces.

So far, his legacy will not eclipse Kobe or MJ unless he wins another championship.

And yes...I saw it right in front of me..Lebron did not want to take Biyombo 1 on 1 last night.

Watching a game live can give you a better perspective.

Have fun rooting for Leflop!

Bfw

Throw me a bet on game 4. Enough talking, let's put money on it.


Lol.

If you read back on my posts, you'll see that I think the Cavs take the series. My opinion has never changed. The Cavs shot poorly last night and the Raps played inspired basketball.

You'll also note that you defended a poster that said "The Raps do not have a prayer of winning a game in this series". Perhaps you should reconsider having defended that post.

Not putting any money on it...but am hoping for both series to be tied at 2 by tomorrow night.

The first part of that equation looks good so far!

Bfw
T tpewinedrinkerMember
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
Talent trumps if you've got heart.

Last night, the Raps simply had way more heart than the Cavs. Lebron's flop was absurd. Biyombo stuffing him was epic.

Biyombo one on one with Lebron...all night tomorrow. We'll see what he is truly made of when facing someone who is only afraid of lions Smile

Bfw

ROFLMAO! Thank you for the laughs. 5 straight finals is 5 more than Beyond-bust has ever reached. Not worried about Lebron's "heart" at all. Straight comedic gold.


Lebron has never won a championship in Cleveland. He joined a winner in D Wade and surrounded himself with other stars (Bosh).

He went back to Cleveland to try bring a championship there and secure his place as an all time great...maybe the greatest ever. Again, he has surrounded himself with nice pieces.

So far, his legacy will not eclipse Kobe or MJ unless he wins another championship.

And yes...I saw it right in front of me..Lebron did not want to take Biyombo 1 on 1 last night.

Watching a game live can give you a better perspective.

Have fun rooting for Leflop!

Bfw

Throw me a bet on game 4. Enough talking, let's put money on it.


Lol.

If you read back on my posts, you'll see that I think the Cavs take the series. My opinion has never changed. The Cavs shot poorly last night and the Raps played inspired basketball.

You'll also not that you defended a poster that said "The Raps do not have a prayer of winning a game in this series". Perhaps you should reconsider having defended that post.

Not putting any money on it...but am hoping for both series to be tied at 2 by tomorrow night.

The first part of that equation looks good so far!

Bfw

The chances of both series being tied at 2 tomorrow are literally between zero and impossible considering warriors and thunder are currently doing battle in game 3
B bfwMember
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
Talent trumps if you've got heart.

Last night, the Raps simply had way more heart than the Cavs. Lebron's flop was absurd. Biyombo stuffing him was epic.

Biyombo one on one with Lebron...all night tomorrow. We'll see what he is truly made of when facing someone who is only afraid of lions Smile

Bfw

ROFLMAO! Thank you for the laughs. 5 straight finals is 5 more than Beyond-bust has ever reached. Not worried about Lebron's "heart" at all. Straight comedic gold.


Lebron has never won a championship in Cleveland. He joined a winner in D Wade and surrounded himself with other stars (Bosh).

He went back to Cleveland to try bring a championship there and secure his place as an all time great...maybe the greatest ever. Again, he has surrounded himself with nice pieces.

So far, his legacy will not eclipse Kobe or MJ unless he wins another championship.

And yes...I saw it right in front of me..Lebron did not want to take Biyombo 1 on 1 last night.

Watching a game live can give you a better perspective.

Have fun rooting for Leflop!

Bfw

Throw me a bet on game 4. Enough talking, let's put money on it.


Lol.

If you read back on my posts, you'll see that I think the Cavs take the series. My opinion has never changed. The Cavs shot poorly last night and the Raps played inspired basketball.

You'll also not that you defended a poster that said "The Raps do not have a prayer of winning a game in this series". Perhaps you should reconsider having defended that post.

Not putting any money on it...but am hoping for both series to be tied at 2 by tomorrow night.

The first part of that equation looks good so far!

Bfw

The chances of both series being tied at 2 tomorrow are literally between zero and impossible considering warriors and thunder are currently doing battle in game 3


Touché.

Bfw
B bfwMember
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by bfw:
Talent trumps if you've got heart.

Last night, the Raps simply had way more heart than the Cavs. Lebron's flop was absurd. Biyombo stuffing him was epic.

Biyombo one on one with Lebron...all night tomorrow. We'll see what he is truly made of when facing someone who is only afraid of lions Smile

Bfw

ROFLMAO! Thank you for the laughs. 5 straight finals is 5 more than Beyond-bust has ever reached. Not worried about Lebron's "heart" at all. Straight comedic gold.


Lebron has never won a championship in Cleveland. He joined a winner in D Wade and surrounded himself with other stars (Bosh).

He went back to Cleveland to try bring a championship there and secure his place as an all time great...maybe the greatest ever. Again, he has surrounded himself with nice pieces.

So far, his legacy will not eclipse Kobe or MJ unless he wins another championship.

And yes...I saw it right in front of me..Lebron did not want to take Biyombo 1 on 1 last night.

Watching a game live can give you a better perspective.

Have fun rooting for Leflop!

Bfw

Throw me a bet on game 4. Enough talking, let's put money on it.


He won't bet you, he saw the game live, he knows it was a fluke


So if one game is a fluke...then what is two in a row?

A trend?

Smile

Bfw
C csmMember
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Originally posted by bfw


So if one game is a fluke...then what is two in a row?

A trend?

Smile

Bfw


Coming on here to gloat after the fact when you refused to put your money where your mouth was before the game is more than a little ridiculous and is entirely disingenuous. Your team won a game no one expected them to (even you otherwise you would have take TPE's bet), which was even more impressive given the officiating. Maybe just be happy about that.
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B bfwMember
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Originally posted by CSM:
quote:
Originally posted by bfw


So if one game is a fluke...then what is two in a row?

A trend?

Smile

Bfw


Coming on here to gloat after the fact when you refused to put your money where your mouth was before the game is more than a little ridiculous and is entirely disingenuous. Your team won a game no one expected them to (even you otherwise you would have take TPE's bet), which was even more impressive given the officiating. Maybe just be happy about that.



Sorry...I don't bet anonymous sports authorities on the internet.

Btw, it was your ridiculous statement that started this all!

Bfw
sunnylea57sunnylea57Member
The Raps continue to confound me. I would have taken TPE's bet, but I didn't have a clue which Raps team would show up last night. I'm not surprised they won, but I also wouldn't have been surprised if they had crumbled.

They were helped by the Cavs inability to shoot 3s for the first two thirds of the game, but give them credit for keeping the Cavs to a perimeter game. And also for a complete offensive effort, in the paint and on the perimeter.

The Cavs run to start the 4th was inevitable, but I was impressed with the poise the Raps showed and how Lowry and DeRozan answered back, shot for shot.

Can they keep up that level of play away from the ACC? Wednesday will be interesting.
C csmMember
quote:
Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by bfw


So if one game is a fluke...then what is two in a row?

A trend?

Smile

Bfw


Coming on here to gloat after the fact when you refused to put your money where your mouth was before the game is more than a little ridiculous and is entirely disingenuous. Your team won a game no one expected them to (even you otherwise you would have take TPE's bet), which was even more impressive given the officiating. Maybe just be happy about that.



Sorry...I don't bet anonymous sports authorities on the internet.

Btw, it was your ridiculous statement that started this all!

Bfw


Of course that's it. It was because of anonymity and the internet, not because you didn't have any faith in your team and wanted to wait for the result to make your opinion known Roll Eyes

My statement was not ridiculous. Turns out it was wrong, but that doesn't make it ridiculous. If you saw something (and you clearly didn't given your actions/your inaction) that gave you the impression the Raptors had a hope after games 1 and 2, you must have been clairvoyant because there was nothing indicating anything but a Cleveland sweep.
J jcocktostenMember
Surprised by the Raptors but nice to see them show they deserve to be there - better effort than the Heat could have given - and that crowd was awesome

Horrendous coaching by Lue. Good intensity on defense and nice to see Lowry and Derozian (spelling I have not idea how to spell his name) get hot.

That Biyambo block on LeBron which they called a foul on was pretty impressive - I thought it was not a foul but whatever
patespo1patespo1Member
quote:
Originally posted by DoubleD:
Patespo, step away from the edge of the roof. Eek


Surprisingly for a Cleveland fan, I haven't stepped even close to the edge. I give a ton of credit to Toronto for stepping up these last two games, especially Lowery, who I thought was soft.

Cleveland is falling too much in love with the 3s, they need more post up play from Love and Lebron. IF Cleveland loses tomorrow, count me worried then.

On another note, apparently you can kick a dude in the nuts and get away with it. As long as rulings like these continue, the NBA will have a credibility problem and the conspiracy nuts will have ammo for their arguments.
sunnylea57sunnylea57Member
Prior to the game, Lebron said he had a game plan for himself for game 4, and afterwards in the post-game interview a reporter said that the game plan didn't seem drastically different from the previous game. He asked Lebron if he played the way he wanted to.

Lebron's answer:

"I think I played to the game plan I wanted to play, both offensively and defensively. For me, I gave everything I had in the 46 minutes that I played. Both offensively and defensively I felt great. I tried to get my guys involved, get myself involved, but my individual game plan was pretty good."

Perhaps I'm inferring meaning here when there is none, but I thought the last sentence was telling - the use of the words "tried" and "individual".
pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
quote:
Originally posted by billhike:
It's the league with actual team play and sacrifice. Derek Rose hasn't heard of it either.


There was a time I think I'd heard of the NBA but I can't seem to ever find anything NBA on the schedule of events at the Amalie Arena in Tampa....so I do wonder if said NBA exists anymore. I mean a real league wouldn't fail to put a team in the 2nd largest metropolitan area of the 3rd largest state would they?
pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
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Originally posted by vinole:
Hmm, there's another much bigger league that hasn't had a team in the second largest metro in the country since 1994.


While true, that market has only itself to blame for that as it historically had 1 and for a brief time had 2...and I guess one day might have 2 again.

Then again, I'm glad I'm not a resident of Orlando or Miami as they were dumb enough to fund the cost of 2 arenas each to support their NBA franchises since the original arenas (which were practically identical) were outdated the day they opened.
B bfwMember
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by bfw


So if one game is a fluke...then what is two in a row?

A trend?

Smile

Bfw


Coming on here to gloat after the fact when you refused to put your money where your mouth was before the game is more than a little ridiculous and is entirely disingenuous. Your team won a game no one expected them to (even you otherwise you would have take TPE's bet), which was even more impressive given the officiating. Maybe just be happy about that.



Sorry...I don't bet anonymous sports authorities on the internet.

Btw, it was your ridiculous statement that started this all!

Bfw


Of course that's it. It was because of anonymity and the internet, not because you didn't have any faith in your team and wanted to wait for the result to make your opinion known Roll Eyes

My statement was not ridiculous. Turns out it was wrong, but that doesn't make it ridiculous. If you saw something (and you clearly didn't given your actions/your inaction) that gave you the impression the Raptors had a hope after games 1 and 2, you must have been clairvoyant because there was nothing indicating anything but a Cleveland sweep.



Anybody who watches sports knows that nearly anything can happen at any time.

When you make a black and white statement with regards to a sports outcome, you're being ridiculous.

It did not even matter if the Raps won or not.

Your statement right of the bat was ridiculous.

Bfw
J jburman82Member
Cleveland is the far superior team but some things have conspired to make this a more interesting series as well as Toronto taking advantage of some flaws Cleveland was able to hide in RD 1 & 2 against far inferior opponents. Cleveland was red hot and has cooled off. Lowry was cold and has heated up. I don't think the opponent had anything to do with either of them. Simple regression to the mean.

Cavs aren't a very good defensive team, especially Irving and Love. Go read Zach Lowe's latest article. Irving is getting abused. So is Love. Cleveland has no rim protection. This was going to be a problem at some point against a decent offense.
J jcocktostenMember
quote:
Originally posted by jburman82:
Cleveland is the far superior team but some things have conspired to make this a more interesting series as well as Toronto taking advantage of some flaws Cleveland was able to hide in RD 1 & 2 against far inferior opponents. Cleveland was red hot and has cooled off. Lowry was cold and has heated up. I don't think the opponent had anything to do with either of them. Simple regression to the mean.

Cavs aren't a very good defensive team, especially Irving and Love. Go read Zach Lowe's latest article. Irving is getting abused. So is Love. Cleveland has no rim protection. This was going to be a problem at some point against a decent offense.


Watching Lowry blow by Irving and Smith was awesome
patespo1patespo1Member
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
quote:
Originally posted by jburman82:
Cleveland is the far superior team but some things have conspired to make this a more interesting series as well as Toronto taking advantage of some flaws Cleveland was able to hide in RD 1 & 2 against far inferior opponents. Cleveland was red hot and has cooled off. Lowry was cold and has heated up. I don't think the opponent had anything to do with either of them. Simple regression to the mean.

Cavs aren't a very good defensive team, especially Irving and Love. Go read Zach Lowe's latest article. Irving is getting abused. So is Love. Cleveland has no rim protection. This was going to be a problem at some point against a decent offense.


Watching Lowry blow by Irving and Smith was awesome


Why? You didn't get enough of him doing it to the Heat bart
J jburman82Member
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Originally posted by patespo1:
quote:
Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
quote:
Originally posted by jburman82:
Cleveland is the far superior team but some things have conspired to make this a more interesting series as well as Toronto taking advantage of some flaws Cleveland was able to hide in RD 1 & 2 against far inferior opponents. Cleveland was red hot and has cooled off. Lowry was cold and has heated up. I don't think the opponent had anything to do with either of them. Simple regression to the mean.

Cavs aren't a very good defensive team, especially Irving and Love. Go read Zach Lowe's latest article. Irving is getting abused. So is Love. Cleveland has no rim protection. This was going to be a problem at some point against a decent offense.


Watching Lowry blow by Irving and Smith was awesome


Why? You didn't get enough of him doing it to the Heat bart


Don't be a hater because your pretender team is getting exposed by this super awesome Toronto team. Razz
C csmMember
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by bfw:
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Originally posted by CSM:
quote:
Originally posted by bfw


So if one game is a fluke...then what is two in a row?

A trend?

Smile

Bfw


Coming on here to gloat after the fact when you refused to put your money where your mouth was before the game is more than a little ridiculous and is entirely disingenuous. Your team won a game no one expected them to (even you otherwise you would have take TPE's bet), which was even more impressive given the officiating. Maybe just be happy about that.



Sorry...I don't bet anonymous sports authorities on the internet.

Btw, it was your ridiculous statement that started this all!

Bfw


Of course that's it. It was because of anonymity and the internet, not because you didn't have any faith in your team and wanted to wait for the result to make your opinion known Roll Eyes

My statement was not ridiculous. Turns out it was wrong, but that doesn't make it ridiculous. If you saw something (and you clearly didn't given your actions/your inaction) that gave you the impression the Raptors had a hope after games 1 and 2, you must have been clairvoyant because there was nothing indicating anything but a Cleveland sweep.



Anybody who watches sports knows that nearly anything can happen at any time.

When you make a black and white statement with regards to a sports outcome, you're being ridiculous.

It did not even matter if the Raps won or not.

Your statement right of the bat was ridiculous.

Bfw


And when you never offer a definitive prediction and only operate with the benefit of hindsight, you're never wrong, but you're also being wishy-washy at best and have given up any the right to gloat about a result over those that did.
J jcocktostenMember
quote:
Originally posted by gigabit:
Russell Westbrook: What a disruptive, athletic, aggressive player! Does he ever slow down? Unbelievable energy!


When on, he cannot be stopped. When off, he can destroy his own team. He has been on for the good for OKC and bad for the W's.

I wish the W's were winning but you have to hand it to OKC and Billy D - although I still hate the owners of that team
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