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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by Italian Wino:
Congrats to the city of Cleveland. Coming back from that 3-1 deficit is very special.

IW

And make sure patespo didn't hit his head from passing out


I can't stop crying. 42 years of heartache over!!! We the Champs tonight!!! Popping bottles for many, many months to come !


It kills me that GS lost...

But congratz to your city and the Cavs!
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Originally posted by Danyull:
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Originally posted by patespo1:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by Italian Wino:
Congrats to the city of Cleveland. Coming back from that 3-1 deficit is very special.

IW

And make sure patespo didn't hit his head from passing out


I can't stop crying. 42 years of heartache over!!! We the Champs tonight!!! Popping bottles for many, many months to come !


It kills me that GS lost...

But congratz to your city and the Cavs!


Thanks DK! Sorry we won't be able to share a celebratory glass in Tahoe, but I'll be thinking of you
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Originally posted by billhike:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
Very happy for LBJ. He was his usual force of nature self in this historic upset. So pissed that tiny turd Gilbert gets to pretend he did anything to bring a title to Cleveland.

I would think bringing LBJ back and swallowing some pride after "The Letter" qualifies, no?


Hell no. He just happens to own a team in the same as area that one of the greatest players ever was born. He's a clown.
Yuck - too bad I wanted the Warriors to win.

That third foul call on Curry was ridiculous but the Warriors can only blame themselves. Klay Thompson looked horrible

LeBron was in full beast mode - played the way he always should in those last 3 games. I find him incredibly annoying (and he was on the Heat as well when I rooted for him) but obviously crushed it.

I will admit I watched Game of Thrones instead of the second half.
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Originally posted by billhike:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
Very happy for LBJ. He was his usual force of nature self in this historic upset. So pissed that tiny turd Gilbert gets to pretend he did anything to bring a title to Cleveland.

I would think bringing LBJ back and swallowing some pride after "The Letter" qualifies, no?

You would swallow some pride too if your team instantly became $350m richer by bringing back Lebron. Let's not try and spin a narrative that Gilbert was being altruistic in bringing back Lebron, cause that is bogus. It was about money.
This was a historic comeback led by the will of Lebron James. He is easily the best all around player that I have ever seen as he can do more things on the court than any player ever. His shot blocking ability on Warrior drives to the hoop was the difference in this game. This championship puts his all time status in a new dimension. Wow!
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by billhike:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
Very happy for LBJ. He was his usual force of nature self in this historic upset. So pissed that tiny turd Gilbert gets to pretend he did anything to bring a title to Cleveland.

I would think bringing LBJ back and swallowing some pride after "The Letter" qualifies, no?

You would swallow some pride too if your team instantly became $350m richer by bringing back Lebron. Let's not try and spin a narrative that Gilbert was being altruistic in bringing back Lebron, cause that is bogus. It was about money.

I wasn't trying to spin anything, merely replying to a comment with my opinion. Some sports fans can't accept thoughts that differ from theirs, I guess. Oh well. Have a great week.
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Originally posted by billhike:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by billhike:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
Very happy for LBJ. He was his usual force of nature self in this historic upset. So pissed that tiny turd Gilbert gets to pretend he did anything to bring a title to Cleveland.

I would think bringing LBJ back and swallowing some pride after "The Letter" qualifies, no?

You would swallow some pride too if your team instantly became $350m richer by bringing back Lebron. Let's not try and spin a narrative that Gilbert was being altruistic in bringing back Lebron, cause that is bogus. It was about money.

I wasn't trying to spin anything, merely replying to a comment with my opinion. Some sports fans can't accept thoughts that differ from theirs, I guess. Oh well. Have a great week.

i was merely doing the same. it's all good.
I thought this would be a sweep for GS after Games 1 and 2.

After the Cavs won Game 3, but then lost Game 4, I thought GSW would win Game 5 (despite the absence of Green). It was Game 5 that caused me to believe that Cleveland had a chance to win the series. Everything changed in that game, psychologically. I saw hints of doubt from the Warriors and strong belief from the Cavs.

Game 6 completely swung the momentum in favor of the Cavs. GS, including their coach, appeared at a loss for answers to Cleveland's game plan.

Sitting at brunch yesterday with a large group of friends and family, the majority thought that GS would win Game 7. I thought that Cleveland's momentum and confidence would carry them to victory.

I'm very happy for the city of Cleveland; especially my friends and neighbors that have shared (with me) the pain and heartbreak of numerous defeats that span decades.

Lastly, any remaining doubt about the greatness of Lebron James' should be extinguished. His performance in Games 5-7 surpasses anything I've seen in NBA Finals history.
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Originally posted by eyesintime:
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Originally posted by g-man:
is tyronne lue the only coach to win a finals after only caoching half the season?


I believe I heard on Sportscenter last night that two others had done it, but not sure who. Didn't Pat Riley come out of the GM suite in mid-season to coach the Heat's first championship?


Correct. Riley took over from Stan Van Gundy 21 games into the season in 12/05.
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Originally posted by gigabit:
Lastly, any remaining doubt about the greatness of Lebron James' should be extinguished.

I have never doubted LBJ's greatness. However, the question for me was whether he belonged on the same level as MJ, Russell, Magic, and Kobe (if you were to have a starting five). There are a lot of great players who have won championships - Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Oscar, etc. It was a matter of determining his place in the Hall.
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by gigabit:
Lastly, any remaining doubt about the greatness of Lebron James' should be extinguished.

I have never doubted LBJ's greatness. However, the question for me was whether he belonged on the same level as MJ, Russell, Magic, and Kobe (if you were to have a starting five). There are a lot of great players who have won championships - Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Oscar, etc. It was a matter of determining his place in the Hall.

Putting Kobe ahead of Duncan??? Say it ain't so. You got 3 out of 4 right... Kobe will never belong ahead of Timmy. Ever. Magic, MJ, Lebron, Duncan and Russell. Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Wilt and West.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by gigabit:
Lastly, any remaining doubt about the greatness of Lebron James' should be extinguished.

I have never doubted LBJ's greatness. However, the question for me was whether he belonged on the same level as MJ, Russell, Magic, and Kobe (if you were to have a starting five). There are a lot of great players who have won championships - Bird, Duncan, Shaq, Oscar, etc. It was a matter of determining his place in the Hall.

Putting Kobe ahead of Duncan??? Say it ain't so. You got 3 out of 4 right... Kobe will never belong ahead of Timmy. Ever. Magic, MJ, Lebron, Duncan and Russell. Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Wilt and West.


Yup and thx for putting Wilt in there who should be above Russell imo
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Originally posted by vinole:
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Originally posted by eyesintime:
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Originally posted by g-man:
is tyronne lue the only coach to win a finals after only caoching half the season?


I believe I heard on Sportscenter last night that two others had done it, but not sure who. Didn't Pat Riley come out of the GM suite in mid-season to coach the Heat's first championship?


Correct. Riley took over from Stan Van Gundy 21 games into the season in 12/05.


Also, Pat Riley came out of the broadcast booth in 1981-82 when the Lakers fired Paul Westhead and lead them to a Championship that year.
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Originally posted by jburman82:
That's a poor way to judge things DD. Those Celtic teams had a starting 5 of HOFers.

Let me see. Wilt played most of his career with 2 other HoF (Arizin and Gola on the Philadelphia Warriors teams; Cunningham, Greer, and Walker on the 76ers; Baylor and West on the Lakers). Yet, he only has 2 championships. He was a prolific scorer, but he was also half-foot taller than most of other players. When the other team had a decent center - whether its Russell or Kareem - his teams fell short.
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Wilt will never be above Russell. Get real. Wilt might have only been the 3rd best Lakers center... He certainly was not as good as Kareem and may have only been marginally better than Shaq.



I think when you're looking at basketball-- which has had so many great players-- and trying to determine who are the greatest of all time, to break a tie you pretty much have to go with the total number of women whom the players have claimed to have slept with.


Point/game/match: Wilt!
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Wilt will never be above Russell. Get real. Wilt might have only been the 3rd best Lakers center... He certainly was not as good as Kareem and may have only been marginally better than Shaq.



I think when you're looking at basketball-- which has had so many great players-- and trying to determine who are the greatest of all time, to break a tie you pretty much have to go with the total number of women whom the players have claimed to have slept with.


Point/game/match: Wilt!


Finally some lucidity to this argument!
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Putting Kobe ahead of Duncan??? Say it ain't so. You got 3 out of 4 right... Kobe will never belong ahead of Timmy. Ever. Magic, MJ, Lebron, Duncan and Russell. Kareem, Bird, Kobe, Wilt and West.
I'm obviously biased but I would take Kobe all day everyday. Kobe carried a bigger load IMO and Timmy had a better supporting cast over his career and the benefit of having Pop as his coach. Besides Phil, Kobe has played for some jokers. That and I hated Timmy's "I was fouled face" every time another player brushed against him. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
Wilt will never be above Russell. Get real. Wilt might have only been the 3rd best Lakers center... He certainly was not as good as Kareem and may have only been marginally better than Shaq.



I think when you're looking at basketball-- which has had so many great players-- and trying to determine who are the greatest of all time, to break a tie you pretty much have to go with the total number of women whom the players have claimed to have slept with.


Point/game/match: Wilt!


you guys nuts

it's Kareem, then Shaq, then russell, and finally wilt.
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
That's a poor way to judge things DD. Those Celtic teams had a starting 5 of HOFers.

Let me see. Wilt played most of his career with 2 other HoF (Arizin and Gola on the Philadelphia Warriors teams; Cunningham, Greer, and Walker on the 76ers; Baylor and West on the Lakers). Yet, he only has 2 championships. He was a prolific scorer, but he was also half-foot taller than most of other players. When the other team had a decent center - whether its Russell or Kareem - his teams fell short.


Those Celtics teams had 7 HOFers. Russell clearly had more team achievements. That in and of itself doesn't mean one player is better than another. I don't know who was better. I never saw either of them play. I just find ranking players based on the team accomplishments arbitrary and capricious.
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Originally posted by Vino Bevo:
As a Spurs fan I wasn't overly interested with the finals, but am happy for the people of Cleveland. I remember the tears I got watching the Spurs exit the plane after landing at SAT with the first championship trophy in '99 and am glad they get to feel a similar joy.


Thanks for the thought; I've been crying since last night. I knew a Cleveland team eventually winning a championship would be great, but it actually is better than I thought. And on Father's Day, sitting next to my oldest son; will never forget it.
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by g-man:
you guys nuts

it's Kareem, then Shaq, then russell, and finally wilt.

You must be using acting skills in your rankings. I agree that Kareem's Airplane was much better than Shaq's Kazaam.


if shaq was playing in teh 60s-70s. they'd probably make up even more rules about not being able to play downlow.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by g-man:
you guys nuts

it's Kareem, then Shaq, then russell, and finally wilt.

You must be using acting skills in your rankings. I agree that Kareem's Airplane was much better than Shaq's Kazaam.


if shaq was playing in teh 60s-70s. they'd probably make up even more rules about not being able to play downlow.


There is no way and I am biased for Laker players, that Shaq was better than Bill Russell. Kareem, Russell, Shaq and Wilt however if Wilt played during Shaq's era an worked out, Wilt never did except in rooms, It would of been close between the two of them.

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