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Originally posted by wine+art:An Altman top 5?
So difficult with Altman, such an up and down career. I am not a fan of some of his more critic approved/adored films such as McCabe & Mrs. Miller with his trademark hard-to-localize dialogue tracks. I also do not like Nashville which I saw in the theatre. I can't remember for some reason my impressions of Vincent & Theo, though I think generally negative, be very interested in what you think.

These are in chronological order because I find it almost impossible to rank Altman's films. Like Wilde each film has its own uniqueness.

MASH of course. Saw it in the theatre was blown away, it was so unlike most movies. Really kicked off what I think of a Hollywood's greatest decade.

The Long Goodbye I shouldn't like this updating of Chandler being the purist I am, but I absolutely adore this movie. Gould is so right playing the out of his time Marlowe. Gotta to love Nina van Pallandt. And how great is Henry Gibson! Come to LA and I'll show you the High Tower Apartments where Marlowe lived.

The Player I think this Hollywood insider joke filled film may be his masterpiece. A really unexpected film.

Short Cuts A pure pleasure.

And for the fifth? No I can't add Gosford Park. I really didn't like this type of film that the English, and the BBC in particular, seem to effortlessly shake out of their sleeves.

I guess the nod will go to the kaleidoscope of interesting and memorable images throughout his career. And for a child of the 50's I dig that he did 11 episodes of The Millionaire and 19 of Whirlybirds!
Finally saw Gravity. I'd say it's a deeply flawed masterpiece and I will rate it 88 points. I have been a scifi geek my whole life and there is no question that this carries the feeling of being in space (as if I know what that is) better than any movie since 2001. But the plot is so threadbare and formulaic.

It starts like the best Disney ride you've ever been on. Turns into an impossible to suspend disbelief for too many hardships movie--ala Castaway. And tags on some sentimental slop childhood death story to make it into a movie.

There is no doubt of the special place this movie has in filmmaking history. But for me there's ultimately a hollowness that can't be filled.
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Gravity. Imax. Terrifying. Worst situation ever!Edge of my seat - literally, I think.

Someone just recommended this movie to me the other day. Maybe I should be sure to see this one

Everyone should see this movie on a decent screen in 3D.


Agreed.

I also very much enjoyed your review, TOM
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Originally posted by The Old Man:


MASH Really kicked off what I think of a Hollywood's greatest decade.



Hmm... thinking.

You may need to scoop up a little of the late sixties in there. Perhaps it's best to say 1968 to 1977 (Gotta get 2001: A Space Odyssey in there.) You can really tag the end of this great period with the coming of Star Wars and other slop for the masses. The Spielberg/Lucas creation of the summer "blockbuster" films squeezed a lot of creativity out of Hollywood.
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Originally posted by Adam10:
Gravity. Imax. Terrifying. Worst situation ever!Edge of my seat - literally, I think.

Someone just recommended this movie to me the other day. Maybe I should be sure to see this one


Everyone should see this movie on a decent screen in 3D.


Saw it last night. Must see in 3D, but IMAX is a bonus. Special effects were incredibly good.

PH
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Originally posted by Adam10:
Gravity. Imax. Terrifying. Worst situation ever!Edge of my seat - literally, I think.

Someone just recommended this movie to me the other day. Maybe I should be sure to see this one


Everyone should see this movie on a decent screen in 3D.


Saw it last night. Must see in 3D, but IMAX is a bonus. Special effects were incredibly good.

PH


I agree. Saw it in 3D at our Cinebistro. What a great venue like watching a movie in the comfort of your own home with a great screen and sound system. Just wish the food and wine prices were a little more reasonable or they would let you BYOB.
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Originally posted by Longboarder:I agree. Saw it in 3D at our Cinebistro. What a great venue like watching a movie in the comfort of your own home with a great screen and sound system. Just wish the food and wine prices were a little more reasonable or they would let you BYOB.

I'm afraid our opinion of these food service movie theatres is, bad place to see a movie, bad place to eat dinner.
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Henry Poole Is Here


Did you enjoy?


Yes, I did. Given the subject matter, it could have developed into a bunch of sentimental garbage; but, I didn't think it did. Instead I thought it had an interesting take on religion, faith, and human connection/relationships. I think a key to the success of the movie was not delving into Poole's back story as an adult.
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Enough Said, with James Gandolfino and Julia Louis-Dreyfus.

A bit macabre to see the late Mr. Gandolfino. But, a nice movie. Not destined for anything but obscurity in moviedom, but it was pleasant.

I've read that the character he plays in this movie is much closer to his real personality. I'd see it for just that reason.
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The Five-Year Engagement -- not very good, but I find Emily Blunt very easy to look at.

+1. I especially liked her in Salmon Fishing in Yemen.

There is something about her that is very attractive to me. I do like her in both movies. I found the Five Year Engagement funny -- probably because some of the scenes remind of my current life's situations. Hoping mine ends in a similar ending.
On planes recently with some pre-flight assistance:

This is the end: REALLY funny

Great Gatsby: There is only so much gin and tonic can do to help me with Leonardo's performance in this movie.

Non-Planes:

Bad Grandpa: Did not care for it at all.

Last Vegas: Cool, good acting, but a little depressing.

World War Z: Visually stimulating, thought Pitt did a good job, worth renting.
World War Z - seemed like an awfully long film that didn't resonate with me. Wasn't bad, just long and meandering.
Gravity - great special effects especially in 3 D which I dislike. Other than that I thought the story line was really thin. The best part of the film was when she crawled out of the lake like an evolutionary creature.
Apres Vous - odd FR comedy that wasn't funny. For that reason I thought it was quite "adult" and well done.
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Originally posted by tanglenet:Gravity - great special effects especially in 3 D which I dislike. Other than that I thought the story line was really thin. ***SPOILER ALERT*** The best part of the film was when she crawled out of the lake like an evolutionary creature.

We usually put SPOILER ALERT before such things.


The reference was for people who had seen the film and I did not think it was a spoiler. Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.

Iron Man 3 - not my pick but I watched it anyway. I must be in the wrong demographics for films based on comics.

Seduced and Abandoned - Alec Baldwin's documentary on raising money at Cannes for a film and the interviews with actors, film studio heads, directors and foreign distributors. Pretty depressing at the state of the business today. But it explains why Iron Men films get made.
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I think Brit Marling is just one smart woman. None of her movies are perfect, but they're all unique and have many clever elements.


I saw her interviewed on one of those airplane network channels while flying somewhere.

She is VERY bright and clever, and well educated to boot. I find smart to be very very sexy. Cool

I think I have only watched one of her films.
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Originally posted by tanglenet:The reference was for people who had seen the film and I did not think it was a spoiler. Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.

The ending was at the beginning? Confused

And why would you assume that your film comments are only read by people who'd seen the movie?


I'm flattered that you think people would remember my comments when they see a film. I was 100% sure no one cared or remembered. But I don't understand your compulsion to tell people how the film ended. I only mentioned a scene, you are the one that mentioned it's relation to the whole and where it happens in the film. Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by tanglenet:The reference was for people who had seen the film and I did not think it was a spoiler. Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.

The ending was at the beginning? Confused

And why would you assume that your film comments are only read by people who'd seen the movie?


I'm flattered that you think people would remember my comments when they see a film. I was 100% sure no one cared or remembered. But I don't understand your compulsion to tell people how the film ended. I only mentioned a scene, you are the one that mentioned it's relation to the whole and where it happens in the film. Roll Eyes


One, I put spoiler alert when posting and two ***SPOILER ALERT*** where do you think a scene in a lake would take place in a movie that all takes place in outer space? If I'd read your comment before seeing the movie (yeah, I'd remember it) I would know ***BIG SPOILER ALERT*** that she must at least make it safely out of the sky down to the earth. No?

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Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.


Oh, this was your attempt to cover up your gaff?
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by tanglenet:The reference was for people who had seen the film and I did not think it was a spoiler. Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.

The ending was at the beginning? Confused

And why would you assume that your film comments are only read by people who'd seen the movie?


I'm flattered that you think people would remember my comments when they see a film. I was 100% sure no one cared or remembered. But I don't understand your compulsion to tell people how the film ended. I only mentioned a scene, you are the one that mentioned it's relation to the whole and where it happens in the film. Roll Eyes


One, I put spoiler alert when posting and two ***SPOILER ALERT*** where do you think a scene in a lake would take place in a movie that all takes place in outer space? If I'd read your comment before seeing the movie (yeah, I'd remember it) I would know ***BIG SPOILER ALERT*** that she must at least make it safely out of the sky down to the earth. No?

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Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.


Oh, this was your attempt to cover up your gaff?


No I did it on purpose so that if anyone WAS reading YOUR posts and HADN'T seen the film, wouldn't know how it ended. But leave it to you to tell everyone how it ends. Confused
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by tanglenet:The reference was for people who had seen the film and I did not think it was a spoiler. Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.

The ending was at the beginning? Confused

And why would you assume that your film comments are only read by people who'd seen the movie?


I'm flattered that you think people would remember my comments when they see a film. I was 100% sure no one cared or remembered. But I don't understand your compulsion to tell people how the film ended. I only mentioned a scene, you are the one that mentioned it's relation to the whole and where it happens in the film. Roll Eyes


One, I put spoiler alert when posting and two ***SPOILER ALERT*** where do you think a scene in a lake would take place in a movie that all takes place in outer space? If I'd read your comment before seeing the movie (yeah, I'd remember it) I would know ***BIG SPOILER ALERT*** that she must at least make it safely out of the sky down to the earth. No?

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Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.


Oh, this was your attempt to cover up your gaff?


No I did it on purpose so that if anyone WAS reading YOUR posts and HADN'T seen the film, wouldn't know how it ended. But leave it to you to tell everyone how it ends. Confused

Oy.

In my circles when a sentence is proceeded with ***SPOILER ALERT*** we stop reading the comments if we haven't seen the movie or read the book.

And again it wouldn't matter--after most of the movie had played you'd be waiting for the scene you mentioned.
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by tanglenet:The reference was for people who had seen the film and I did not think it was a spoiler. Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.

The ending was at the beginning? Confused

And why would you assume that your film comments are only read by people who'd seen the movie?


I'm flattered that you think people would remember my comments when they see a film. I was 100% sure no one cared or remembered. But I don't understand your compulsion to tell people how the film ended. I only mentioned a scene, you are the one that mentioned it's relation to the whole and where it happens in the film. Roll Eyes


One, I put spoiler alert when posting and two ***SPOILER ALERT*** where do you think a scene in a lake would take place in a movie that all takes place in outer space? If I'd read your comment before seeing the movie (yeah, I'd remember it) I would know ***BIG SPOILER ALERT*** that she must at least make it safely out of the sky down to the earth. No?

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Especially as it happened at the beginning of the film.


Oh, this was your attempt to cover up your gaff?


No I did it on purpose so that if anyone WAS reading YOUR posts and HADN'T seen the film, wouldn't know how it ended. But leave it to you to tell everyone how it ends. Confused

Oy.

In my circles when a sentence is proceeded with ***SPOILER ALERT*** we stop reading the comments if we haven't seen the movie or read the book.

And again it wouldn't matter--after most of the movie had played you'd be waiting for the scene you mentioned.


Let's go back to drinking and watching movies Smile
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Fellini Satyricon


I haven't seen that in years. How did it hold up?


Well, I thought.


I remember a horizontal tracking shot that seemed to go on forever, of faces, mostly grotesque, at a feast or something. That always stuck with me.

Old Man - have you been married 40+ years? Congrats! We just celebrated our 21st last night.

And we watched: Rumba - same writers / directors / actors (a couple) that put together Fairy. More Chaplinesque, with funny bits but an overall a feeling sadness. Fairy was a more uplifting and better crafted film.
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Originally posted by tanglenet:Old Man - have you been married 40+ years? Congrats! We just celebrated our 21st last night.

No, I didn't get married until I was 37. So as Fawlty would say--So we've been manacled together as man and wife for barely longer than you--22 years. I then became a father at 47, so we have a 15 year old daughter. And as old General Sternwood says to Bogart in The Big Sleep, "Any man who becomes a father at my age gets exactly what he deserves."

Congrats on your anni--hope you drank good wine and ate something good.
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So as Fawlty would say--


Don't mention the war!

I think I got away with it.


You'll have to forgive him. He is from Barcelona.


I won't stop:

There is too much butter on... those...trays.

No, no Mister Fawlty--uno, does, tress.
A Late Quartet - complex and bittersweet. Overall, I thought this was an excellent film. I ran into a neighbor this AM who is a pianist and chamber musician and we briefly discussed. She said that the dynamics of the 1st and 2nd violin were spot on and the story was well researched. I told her my only qualms with the film was the story line of the daughter, which she agreed, she had never heard of that happening before, but also said that it was possible.

The Oranges - another film marketed as a comedy that isn't and leaves a bad taste or you feel like taking a bath afterwards. In the vein of Blame it on Rio with similar plot: best friend sleeps with best friend's (young adult) child and the fallout on the families involved. Yuck. Who green lights this stuff?
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The Oranges - another film marketed as a comedy that isn't and leaves a bad taste or you feel like taking a bath afterwards. In the vein of Blame it on Rio with similar plot: best friend sleeps with best friend's (young adult) child and the fallout on the families involved. Yuck. Who green lights this stuff?


I saw this movie a few weeks ago. I wasn't at 'yuck'. More like 'yawn but irritable'. This movie could have been a serious, dramatic (if at times light hearted) romance between a 50-something man and a 24 year old young woman, addressing the problems that such an age gap creates in their otherwise healthy, loving relationship; including addressing how this effects their relationships with their own families as well as one-another's families. (Maybe even address his relationship with his estranged wife.)... Or, it could have been a serious movie about about two good people who attempt to engage in a destructive relationship -- partially due to age difference, perhaps -- and the heartache, not only to them, but to their respective families that it creates... Or it could have been a sex movie... Or one or both of the main characters could have been intentionally unlikeable, or even bad... Or they could have tried to make it into a slapstick, intentionally offensive, hammy, hard 'R' rated raunchy comedy.

That isn't what happened. At every turn the movie pussies out of making any decision that might offend anyone and instead, the movie managed to be one of the crappier, more disingenuous, more unappealing movies I have seen in a while.

And the acting. I cannot believe such good actors (Hugh Laurie, Oliver Platt, Catherine Keener, Allison Janney) signed on to this. For them, it was a paycheck, I guess. And you could totally tell that they knew they were in a bad movie the entire time. "Phoning it in" doesn't come close to giving their performances the (in)justice they deserve. The girl, on the other hand (Leighton Meester) you could tell was really trying (unsuccessfully) and may not have known she was in a crap movie. Which I think may have made it even worse.

The premise of the movie is quite raw, and they could have gone a ton of different directions with the raw premise to make a good and interesting movie. Attempting to turn the raw premise innocuous and inoffensive to all, however, created one of the lamest, least interesting, movies I've recently seen.
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Originally posted by tanglenet:
The Oranges - another film marketed as a comedy that isn't and leaves a bad taste or you feel like taking a bath afterwards. In the vein of Blame it on Rio with similar plot: best friend sleeps with best friend's (young adult) child and the fallout on the families involved. Yuck. Who green lights this stuff?


Blame It On Rio was great! Cool
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The Oranges - another film marketed as a comedy that isn't and leaves a bad taste or you feel like taking a bath afterwards. In the vein of Blame it on Rio with similar plot: best friend sleeps with best friend's (young adult) child and the fallout on the families involved. Yuck. Who green lights this stuff?


I saw this movie a few weeks ago. I wasn't at 'yuck'. More like 'yawn but irritable'. This movie could have been a serious, dramatic (if at times light hearted) romance between a 50-something man and a 24 year old young woman, addressing the problems that such an age gap creates in their otherwise healthy, loving relationship; including addressing how this effects their relationships with their own families as well as one-another's families. (Maybe even address his relationship with his estranged wife.)... Or, it could have been a serious movie about about two good people who attempt to engage in a destructive relationship -- partially due to age difference, perhaps -- and the heartache, not only to them, but to their respective families that it creates... Or it could have been a sex movie... Or one or both of the main characters could have been intentionally unlikeable, or even bad... Or they could have tried to make it into a slapstick, intentionally offensive, hammy, hard 'R' rated raunchy comedy.

That isn't what happened. At every turn the movie pussies out of making any decision that might offend anyone and instead, the movie managed to be one of the crappier, more disingenuous, more unappealing movies I have seen in a while.

And the acting. I cannot believe such good actors (Hugh Laurie, Oliver Platt, Catherine Keener, Allison Janney) signed on to this. For them, it was a paycheck, I guess. And you could totally tell that they knew they were in a bad movie the entire time. "Phoning it in" doesn't come close to giving their performances the (in)justice they deserve. The girl, on the other hand (Leighton Meester) you could tell was really trying (unsuccessfully) and may not have known she was in a crap movie. Which I think may have made it even worse.

The premise of the movie is quite raw, and they could have gone a ton of different directions with the raw premise to make a good and interesting movie. Attempting to turn the raw premise innocuous and inoffensive to all, however, created one of the lamest, least interesting, movies I've recently seen.


Hey, we agree! Razz
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Lolita

Just brilliant.

Which, the unfaithful masterpiece or the faithful blob?


Years ago I came across the Anthony Burgess novel Clockwork Orange after I had seen Kubrick's movie. It also was not faithful to the book. The book was far superior, complex, educational (teaching you Russian when you didn't even know it) and not all circular, which Kubrick made it out to be.
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Years ago I came across the Anthony Burgess novel Clockwork Orange after I had seen Kubrick's movie. It also was not faithful to the book. The book was far superior, complex, educational (teaching you Russian when you didn't even know it) and not all circular, which Kubrick made it out to be.


Eek Sorry Tanglenet, but on this one I couldn't disagree more. As good as Burgess' novel was, Kubrick's adaptation was one of the few movies I liked better than the book. Kubrick was rarely faithful to the book, but that usually made his films interesting.
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Originally posted by tanglenet:
Years ago I came across the Anthony Burgess novel Clockwork Orange after I had seen Kubrick's movie. It also was not faithful to the book. The book was far superior, complex, educational (teaching you Russian when you didn't even know it) and not all circular, which Kubrick made it out to be.


Eek Sorry Tanglenet, but on this one I couldn't disagree more. As good as Burgess' novel was, Kubrick's adaptation was one of the few movies I liked better than the book. Kubrick was rarely faithful to the book, but that usually made his films interesting.


Very cool. You are one of the few people I know that ever read it!
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Years ago I came across the Anthony Burgess novel Clockwork Orange after I had seen Kubrick's movie. It also was not faithful to the book. The book was far superior, complex, educational (teaching you Russian when you didn't even know it) and not all circular, which Kubrick made it out to be.


Eek Sorry Tanglenet, but on this one I couldn't disagree more. As good as Burgess' novel was, Kubrick's adaptation was one of the few movies I liked better than the book. Kubrick was rarely faithful to the book, but that usually made his films interesting.


Very cool. You are one of the few people I know that ever read it!

You don't know me, but I read it in the 70s. I saw the film when it first opened. In those days it was rated "X." Though that version is now rated "R" on DVD. I've always made it a point not to compare films and books, but if I had to here I'd say there's no question that the Kubrick film is more powerful.
12 Years A Slave

Well crap. That "A-" I gave Gravity? Make it a "B". I had forgotten what it is like to go to the cinema and be blown away. IMO, this is better than any movie that came out in the past two years.

The photography was wonderful, you can tell MvQueen used to be a visual artist and he still enjoys it maybe a bit too much, but somehow despite his indulgence in it, it did not detract from the experience. Chiwetel Ejiorfor will not only win the Oscar, it will be a coronation. All the performances were masterful. Michael Fassbender was doing something quite theatrical but still awe-inspiring as well. Only Sarah Paulson underperformed, imo. She seemed a bit stiff. Oh, and half of the best (well, a lot, anyway) actors in the business show up at one point or another in the movie, from Paul Giamatti to Brad Pitt, even if they are only in the movie for a short while. They are all fantastic.

Not as good as Schindler's List or The Pianist but worthy of mention along side those masterpieces. This movie got to me in its haunting realism -- no stylization whatsoever.

The movie is brutal in its realism, though far fewer deaths than a typical PG-13 movie, or even maybe PG. I would think about bringing a 14 year old based upon how he or she responds to that type of stuff. But I would say this movie is absolute essential required viewing for all people of all stripes, ethnicities and backgrounds aged 15 and above. Yeah, 14, too. It is special, tough, honest, and brilliant.

There are flaws, to be sure. But I went in thinking it would be just good. Maybe that is why I liked it so much; it blew away my expectations and after reading this others won't like it as much because I'm talking it up too much? But, for me, this is easily the best movie released since The Descendants two years ago -- and more important.

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12 Years A Slave

Well crap. That "A-" I gave Gravity? Make it a "B". I had forgotten what it is like to go to the cinema and be blown away. IMO, this is better than any movie that came out in the past two years.

The photography was wonderful, you can tell MvQueen used to be a visual artist and he still enjoys it maybe a bit too much, but somehow despite his indulgence in it, it did not detract from the experience. Chiwetel Ejiorfor will not only win the Oscar, it will be a coronation. All the performances were masterful. Michael Fassbender was doing something quite theatrical but still awe-inspiring as well. Only Sarah Paulson underperformed, imo. She seemed a bit stiff. Oh, and half of the best (well, a lot, anyway) actors in the business show up at one point or another in the movie, from Paul Giamatti to Brad Pitt, even if they are only in the movie for a short while. They are all fantastic.

Not as good as Schindler's List or The Pianist but worthy of mention along side those masterpieces. This movie got to me in its haunting realism -- no stylization whatsoever.

The movie is brutal in its realism, though far fewer deaths than a typical PG-13 movie, or even maybe PG. I would think about bringing a 14 year old based upon how he or she responds to that type of stuff. But I would say this movie is absolute essential required viewing for all people of all stripes, ethnicities and backgrounds aged 15 and above. Yeah, 14, too. It is special, tough, honest, and brilliant.

There are flaws, to be sure. But I went in thinking it would be just good. Maybe that is why I liked it so much; it blew away my expectations and after reading this others won't like it as much because I'm talking it up too much? But, for me, this is easily the best movie released since The Descendants two years ago -- and more important.

A


Thanks, I wanna see this now.
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12 Years A Slave

Well crap. That "A-" I gave Gravity? Make it a "B". I had forgotten what it is like to go to the cinema and be blown away. IMO, this is better than any movie that came out in the past two years.

The photography was wonderful, you can tell MvQueen used to be a visual artist and he still enjoys it maybe a bit too much, but somehow despite his indulgence in it, it did not detract from the experience. Chiwetel Ejiorfor will not only win the Oscar, it will be a coronation. All the performances were masterful. Michael Fassbender was doing something quite theatrical but still awe-inspiring as well. Only Sarah Paulson underperformed, imo. She seemed a bit stiff. Oh, and half of the best (well, a lot, anyway) actors in the business show up at one point or another in the movie, from Paul Giamatti to Brad Pitt, even if they are only in the movie for a short while. They are all fantastic.

Not as good as Schindler's List or The Pianist but worthy of mention along side those masterpieces. This movie got to me in its haunting realism -- no stylization whatsoever.

The movie is brutal in its realism, though far fewer deaths than a typical PG-13 movie, or even maybe PG. I would think about bringing a 14 year old based upon how he or she responds to that type of stuff. But I would say this movie is absolute essential required viewing for all people of all stripes, ethnicities and backgrounds aged 15 and above. Yeah, 14, too. It is special, tough, honest, and brilliant.

There are flaws, to be sure. But I went in thinking it would be just good. Maybe that is why I liked it so much; it blew away my expectations and after reading this others won't like it as much because I'm talking it up too much? But, for me, this is easily the best movie released since The Descendants two years ago -- and more important.

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On my must watch list for near future
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Originally posted by winetarelli:Not as good as Schindler's List or The Pianist but worthy of mention along side those masterpieces.

Spielberg has never, and will never, make a masterpiece. His populist sensibilities will always get in the way.


What is your definition of "masterpiece"?
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Originally posted by winetarelli:Not as good as Schindler's List or The Pianist but worthy of mention along side those masterpieces.

Spielberg has never, and will never, make a masterpiece. His populist sensibilities will always get in the way.



What is your definition of "masterpiece"?

Citizen Kane

La Dolce Vita and about 6 other Fellini movies

The Seventh Seal and about 10 other Bergman movies

The Seven Samurai and about 10 other Kurosawa movies

2001: A Space Odyssey and 4 other Kubrick movies

Chinatown

Vertigo and about 5 other Hitchcock movies

Fargo

The Third Man

Jules and Jim
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Originally posted by wineismylife:
Pitch Perfect

Masterpiece. Not quite as masterful as it would've been in the hands of El Maestro Steven Spielberg but top notch nonetheless.


LOL

I got roped into watching this by one of my grandchildren recently. Formulaic and predictable. That said, pretty friggin' funny stuff. Pleasant surprise.

PH
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Originally posted by The Old Man:

2001: A Space Odyssey and 4 other Kubrick movies


Clockwork Orange?
Barry Lyndon?
Lolita?
... Dr. Strangelove or Spartacus?

Paths of Glory
Lolita
Clockwork Orange
Dr. Strangelove

Spartacus is a Hollywood mess, partly because the original director was fired and Kubrick and Douglas (who also produced the film) never were on the same page.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
What did you think of The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut?

I've been a Kubrick fan since I first saw 2001 when it first opened, as I did with Clockwork Orange. On TV in those days I managed to catch his early, amazing heist filmThe Killing. A viewing of Dr. Strangelove rocketed a second Kubrick (along with 2001) to my top ten list. I was stunned at the events portrayed in Paths of Glory and was amused, and entertained, by the over the top sand and sandal epic of Spartacus. And then came that awful day around the time of my 23rd birthday in December 1975...

I had read articles about the upcoming new Kubrick picture. In particular there was an article in American Cinematographer about the innovative photography--natural lighting using candles, special lenses developed for the movie and other details which I poured over. So there I was in the downtown Chicago theatre--The Oriental (in the last days of the great downtown movie palaces.) The amazing shot in the meadow with the song Women of Ireland by The Chieftains (whom I was already familiar with.) And then Barry Lyndon played out with the plainly wrongly cast, Ryan O'Neal. And I had my first major disappointment with a Kubrick film.

Another year sitting in the theatre watching a 30 second coming attraction with blood pouring out of an elevator and flooding a hotel hallway, floating furniture in its wash. This shot is only partially used in the next major disappointment for me--The Shining. For me the flaws of the movie are demonstrated right at the beginning with the helicopter shot following the VW Beetle as it goes through the mountains. At one point the car goes one way and the helicopter goes the other. So much wrong with The Shinning. First it's a horror film that isn't scary so much as irritating. Between the non-stop screeching of Shelly Duvall and the uncontrolled performance of Nicholson the movie can't sustain any feeling of dread. And what a ridiculous ending. We're suppose to see the picture in the bar and go--Ah ha, that explains everything!

Never again would Kubrick do anything of interest for me. Full Metal Jacket? I don't remember anything about it except I would never feel the need to watch it again. And then the shame of Eyes Wide Shut. If Kubrick could make a non-scary horror movie, he could also make a non-erotic erotic movie. Kubrick through his entire career always had one great talent--the right film shot for the scene he's shooting. If he uses hand-held it was for a reason, his choice of lens-always dead on. He was also the master of detail. And his last movie is just pure slop in this regard. Minor example--look for the same mailbox to be used in two scenes in different locations. Worth pointing out? Perhaps not, but a symbol for the lack of focus that Kubrick had at the end of his life.

So, many a great director has had failings at the end. Hitchcock made some real clunkers at the end (though they all have something worthwhile in them.) Kubrick, and a few other directors, made films that should last forever in the history of the art of film. And that's good enough for me.

Thanks for listening.
My WIFE and not me, said she felt like a fighty action movie with some "soul" (I sometimes shake my head at her).

We ended up watching "Warrior". Nick Nolte playing a part probably pretty close to home was wonderful. Tom Hardy always amazes me with his ability to really be in the role (like Bronson). Jennifer Morrison, well as long as she wasn't as annoying as she was in that movie, well I wouldn't kick her out of bed...

Certainly a case of the actors elevating a so/so script.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction

Once upon a time there was an attempt to break Linda Fiorentino into the big time. This movie was the final attempt. It had much fanfare, but director John Dahl (himself a minor director who was a great hope) didn't have what it takes to get Fiorentino into the next Femme Fatale.

He became a TV director and she has just faded with time.
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction

Once upon a time there was an attempt to break Linda Fiorentino into the big time. This movie was the final attempt. It had much fanfare, but director John Dahl (himself a minor director who was a great hope) didn't have what it takes to get Fiorentino into the next Femme Fatale.

He became a TV director and she has just faded with time.

I always really liked this movie.

Liked Fiorentino, too.

She was in Men in Black...
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction

Once upon a time there was an attempt to break Linda Fiorentino into the big time. This movie was the final attempt. It had much fanfare, but director John Dahl (himself a minor director who was a great hope) didn't have what it takes to get Fiorentino into the next Femme Fatale.

He became a TV director and she has just faded with time.

I always really liked this movie.

Liked Fiorentino, too.

She was in Men in Black...


she was in a b movie called Gotcha with Anthony Edwards. She got my attention in that movie!
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Originally posted by eyesintime:
56 Up -- the most recent in the series that started with 7 Up.


A personal favourite. Fascinating - especially since the subjects are the same age as me.

Besides directing features like Nell and The World Is Not Enough, I've seen Michael Apted's name pop up as director on a number of series lately, including episodes of Master of Sex and Ray Donovan.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction


Tell me, what was the last "mass market" movie you saw, and what were your impressions?

PH


Oh my. Let me think about what was the last time I viewed such. Confused


Argo
Lincoln
Life of Pi
Django Unchained
Zero Dark Thirty
Les Miserables


were all mass-marketed here last year. Surely you saw a few of those?
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction


Tell me, what was the last "mass market" movie you saw, and what were your impressions?

PH


Oh my. Let me think about what was the last time I viewed such. Confused


Argo
Lincoln
Life of Pi
Django Unchained
Zero Dark Thirty
Les Miserables


were all mass-marketed here last year. Surely you saw a few of those?

Proof of why one needs to stay away from populist films.
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction


Tell me, what was the last "mass market" movie you saw, and what were your impressions?

PH


Oh my. Let me think about what was the last time I viewed such. Confused


Argo
Lincoln
Life of Pi
Django Unchained
Zero Dark Thirty
Les Miserables


were all mass-marketed here last year. Surely you saw a few of those?

Proof of why one needs to stay away from populist films.

Les Mis was terrible -- apart from Hathaway. (And I adore the musical, btw.) The others were all good to very very very good. None awesome, but such is life.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction


Tell me, what was the last "mass market" movie you saw, and what were your impressions?

PH


Oh my. Let me think about what was the last time I viewed such. Confused


Argo... Yes, watched on an airplane.
Lincoln... Nope. No interest.
Life of Pi ... See above
Django Unchained ... See above
Zero Dark Thirty ... See above
Les Miserables
... See above

were all mass-marketed here last year. Surely you saw a few of those? Thanks, winetarelli. You made it easy for me. Big Grin
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction


Tell me, what was the last "mass market" movie you saw, and what were your impressions?

PH


Oh my. Let me think about what was the last time I viewed such. Confused


Argo... Yes, watched on an airplane.
Lincoln... Nope. No interest.
Life of Pi ... See above
Django Unchained ... See above
Zero Dark Thirty ... See above
Les Miserables
... See above

were all mass-marketed here last year. Surely you saw a few of those? Thanks, winetarelli. You made it easy for me. Big Grin

Humbug! Razz

Last few days out of boredom:

We're the Millers : Amusing, held my attention.

The To-Do List : Vaguely repulsive with absolutely no redeeming value.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction


Tell me, what was the last "mass market" movie you saw, and what were your impressions?

PH


Oh my. Let me think about what was the last time I viewed such. Confused


Argo... Yes, watched on an airplane.
Lincoln... Nope. No interest.
Life of Pi ... See above
Django Unchained ... See above
Zero Dark Thirty ... See above
Les Miserables
... See above

were all mass-marketed here last year. Surely you saw a few of those? Thanks, winetarelli. You made it easy for me. Big Grin

Humbug! Razz



Big Grin ... well, if I were to watch one of the no watch movies, which would you select?
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
The Last Seduction


Tell me, what was the last "mass market" movie you saw, and what were your impressions?

PH


Oh my. Let me think about what was the last time I viewed such. Confused


Argo... Yes, watched on an airplane.
Lincoln... Nope. No interest.
Life of Pi ... See above
Django Unchained ... See above
Zero Dark Thirty ... See above
Les Miserables
... See above

were all mass-marketed here last year. Surely you saw a few of those? Thanks, winetarelli. You made it easy for me. Big Grin

Humbug! Razz



Big Grin ... well, if I were to watch one of the no watch movies, which would you select?

Lincoln

And seriously, do see 12 Years A Slave sooner rather than later. I would love to read your thoughts. And really just a wonderful movie, imo. Smile