bman posted:

Jojo Rabbit 

Really enjoyed this film, though the constant Jewish and Nazi references made me squirm. 

 

Were you surprised that a film dealing with Nazi Germany would have lots of references to Nazis and Jews? Pro tip: Don't watch Schindler's List.

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The Old Man posted:
bman posted:

Jojo Rabbit 

Really enjoyed this film, though the constant Jewish and Nazi references made me squirm. 

 

Were you surprised that a film dealing with Nazi Germany would have lots of references to Nazis and Jews? Pro tip: Don't watch Schindler's List.

It was the nature of the references, not the fact that there were references, that made me squirm. But as I said, they were necessary to drive home the satire. 

bman posted:
The Old Man posted:
bman posted:

Jojo Rabbit 

Really enjoyed this film, though the constant Jewish and Nazi references made me squirm. 

 

Were you surprised that a film dealing with Nazi Germany would have lots of references to Nazis and Jews? Pro tip: Don't watch Schindler's List.

It was the nature of the references, not the fact that there were references, that made me squirm. But as I said, they were necessary to drive home the satire. 

If you want squirm-worthy, try watching The Man in the High Castle. I believe it easily ranks as  the most difficult to watch series of all time. It's just not a good day when the Nazis win WWII.

The Old Man posted:
bman posted:
The Old Man posted:
bman posted:

Jojo Rabbit 

Really enjoyed this film, though the constant Jewish and Nazi references made me squirm. 

 

Were you surprised that a film dealing with Nazi Germany would have lots of references to Nazis and Jews? Pro tip: Don't watch Schindler's List.

It was the nature of the references, not the fact that there were references, that made me squirm. But as I said, they were necessary to drive home the satire. 

If you want squirm-worthy, try watching The Man in the High Castle. I believe it easily ranks as  the most difficult to watch series of all time. It's just not a good day when the Nazis win WWII.

That show has been on my list for a while but there are sooooooo many shows to watch. And football and news tends to dominate my TV time these days. 

Apples and oranges.

I found Schindler’s List more difficult to watch because it’s based on a real story.   It was both very sad and inspirational.

Man in the High Castle was scary in a What-If sense; it was also done well to make the What-If very believable which made it scary.

doubled posted:

 

I found Schindler’s List more difficult to watch because it’s based on a real story.   It was both very sad and inspirational.

I found Schindler's List difficult to watch because Spielberg's not a good director.

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The Old Man posted:
doubled posted:

 

I found Schindler’s List more difficult to watch because it’s based on a real story.   It was both very sad and inspirational.

I found Schindler's List difficult to watch because Spielberg's not a good director.

Doubled, I think your comment is right on point.

At her request, I took my mother, a Holocaust survivor, to see this film. She sobbed during the entire movie, but to their credit, the people around us neither moved away nor hushed her. Her reaction was clearly emotional and appropriate, which even strangers who knew nothing about her understood.

Old Man, a person like doubled is moved by a film about the Holocaust, but you choose to suggest that the movie has a problem because the director was “not good”?? You pompous asshole!

I know you remember Mr Cabernet, the dick who had to make his opinion about every nuance of cinema clear to everyone here, and who had to rain on people’s parades if they wrote something positive about a film when he disagreed. He became universally despised here. Go look in a mirror. Do you see yourself starting to look like him?  Because I certainly do.

(You might reconsider some of your ad hominem attacks in the political thread as well. Your opinions might have some good foundation, but quite a few of your posts are just personal attacks. They’re unnecessary.)

I stand corrected.

However if you are referring to attacks on Nappy, they will continue as support of bigotry and racism will not stand. I try not to name call and just lay out the facts, but sometimes it isn't easy with him.

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seaquam posted:

I know you remember Mr Cabernet, the dick who had to make his opinion about every nuance of cinema clear to everyone here, and who had to rain on people’s parades if they wrote something positive about a film when he disagreed. He became universally despised here. Go look in a mirror. Do you see yourself starting to look like him?  Because I certainly do.

I wish to pull out these comments for a separate discussion. I hope I can get some non-snarky responses. I have wondered this for many, many years and perhaps someone here can answer it: What do you care what a person on the internet, who you probably don't even know, thinks about anything you love or enjoy?

So you think that Big with Tom Hanks is a great movie. You get a real charge out of the scene of him and the other actor dancing on that giant keyboard. I think it's a forgettable piece of fluff. What do you care what I think? How can my, or anyone else's, opinion affect your enjoyment and beliefs?

I think Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made, you may think it's an overrated empty film. What do I give a shit what you think about it? Are you "raining on my parade"? You can't; I'm firm in my opinion. I assume you are too in yours. How can some "dick", cause you such distress? 

Some say I'm condescending. Yes, I am. It's one of my biggest flaws, and if  you want to attack that, as you did, go ahead. (And unlike most people on the internet I acknowledged it.)  However, if someone you consider a condescending or "pompous asshole" says something, again, what do you care? I just don't get it. Someone here has made fun of my enjoyment of Star Trek.  Do you think I give a rat's ass what he thinks? Do you think I felt he was "raining on my parade"? I simply ignored and went on with my life.

So I guess my question is: Are you negatively affected by what people on the internet think of your favorite of films, art, music, television, books etc.? 

And for those that really can't stand me, my avatar is very easy to spot--a black and white photo of Frank Lloyd Wright (Who I think is the greatest architect of all time and guess what? I don't care if you don't agree.)--it's very easy to spot and then ignore what I write.

The Old Man posted:
seaquam posted:

I know you remember Mr Cabernet, the dick who had to make his opinion about every nuance of cinema clear to everyone here, and who had to rain on people’s parades if they wrote something positive about a film when he disagreed. He became universally despised here. Go look in a mirror. Do you see yourself starting to look like him?  Because I certainly do.

I wish to pull out these comments for a separate discussion. I hope I can get some non-snarky responses. I have wondered this for many, many years and perhaps someone here can answer it: What do you care what a person on the internet, who you probably don't even know, thinks about anything you love or enjoy?

So you think that Big with Tom Hanks is a great movie. You get a real charge out of the scene of him and the other actor dancing on that giant keyboard. I think it's a forgettable piece of fluff. What do you care what I think? How can my, or anyone else's, opinion affect your enjoyment and beliefs?

I think Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever made, you may think it's an overrated empty film. What do I give a shit what you think about it? Are you "raining on my parade"? You can't; I'm firm in my opinion. I assume you are too in yours. How can some "dick", cause you such distress? 

Some say I'm condescending. Yes, I am. It's one of my biggest flaws, and if  you want to attack that, as you did, go ahead. (And unlike most people on the internet I acknowledged it.)  However, if someone you consider a condescending or "pompous asshole" says something, again, what do you care? I just don't get it. Someone here has made fun of my enjoyment of Star Trek.  Do you think I give a rat's ass what he thinks? Do you think I felt he was "raining on my parade"? I simply ignored and went on with my life.

So I guess my question is: Are you negatively affected by what people on the internet think of your favorite of films, art, music, television, books etc.? 

And for those that really can't stand me, my avatar is very easy to spot--a black and white photo of Frank Lloyd Wright (Who I think is the greatest architect of all time and guess what? I don't care if you don't agree.)--it's very easy to spot and then ignore what I write.

Perhaps the issue is how what you say reflects who you are or at least who you seem to be. 

bman posted:

Perhaps the issue is how what you say reflects who you are or at least who you seem to be. 

I've already admitted some of my flaws. Now could you please address the question? It's said that saying things different than what many people think is "raining on their parade." I just don't see how anyone's parade can be affected by an unknown person on the internet.

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The Old Man posted:
bman posted:

Perhaps the issue is how what you say reflects who you are or at least who you seem to be. 

I've already admitted some of my flaws. Now could you please address the question? It's said that saying things different than what many people think is "raining on their parade." I just don't see how anyone's parade can be affected by an unknown person on the internet.

For better or worse the internet is just another form of social interaction. People with whom we engage here are not known. In some respects we know them better than if we knew them face to face. So what people say here is mo different than what people say face to face. And any interaction affects those interacting. 

bman posted:
The Old Man posted:
bman posted:

Perhaps the issue is how what you say reflects who you are or at least who you seem to be. 

I've already admitted some of my flaws. Now could you please address the question? It's said that saying things different than what many people think is "raining on their parade." I just don't see how anyone's parade can be affected by an unknown person on the internet.

For better or worse the internet is just another form of social interaction. People with whom we engage here are not known. In some respects we know them better than if we knew them face to face. So what people say here is mo different than what people say face to face. And any interaction affects those interacting. 

So, again, please answer the question. If a person on the internet, or in person (even a friend), strongly disagrees with your love of a particular movie, does it affect your opinion of the movie. Is you parade rained on?

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The Old Man posted:
bman posted:
The Old Man posted:
bman posted:

Perhaps the issue is how what you say reflects who you are or at least who you seem to be. 

I've already admitted some of my flaws. Now could you please address the question? It's said that saying things different than what many people think is "raining on their parade." I just don't see how anyone's parade can be affected by an unknown person on the internet.

For better or worse the internet is just another form of social interaction. People with whom we engage here are not known. In some respects we know them better than if we knew them face to face. So what people say here is mo different than what people say face to face. And any interaction affects those interacting. 

So, again, please answer the question. If a person on the internet, or in person (even a friend), strongly disagrees with your love of a particular movie, does it affect your opinion of the movie. Is you parade rained on?

Almost every input affects one's point of view on whatever. But it would rarely rain on my parade. And I tend to avoid parades in any case. Aside from Pride parades which are always a lot of fun!

The Old Man posted:
bman posted:
The Old Man posted:
bman posted:

Perhaps the issue is how what you say reflects who you are or at least who you seem to be. 

I've already admitted some of my flaws. Now could you please address the question? It's said that saying things different than what many people think is "raining on their parade." I just don't see how anyone's parade can be affected by an unknown person on the internet.

For better or worse the internet is just another form of social interaction. People with whom we engage here are not known. In some respects we know them better than if we knew them face to face. So what people say here is mo different than what people say face to face. And any interaction affects those interacting. 

So, again, please answer the question. If a person on the internet, or in person (even a friend), strongly disagrees with your love of a particular movie, does it affect your opinion of the movie. Is you parade rained on?

Does it rain on my parade? no, but can it affect my opinion? Yes if it's someone whose opinion on the matter I value and they have strong, well reasoned ideas I will look at them and question my view on the matter.

Both you (TheOldMan) and W+A look at film more as art than sometimes intrinsic enjoyment. TOM especially I feel disparages "fluff" that might have little artistic merit but still provides great enjoyment because it is not "high art". When I want to look at the medium as high art, you both have exponentially more knowledge on the medium than I do and while I may have a layman's view that might not align with yours because I'm at the "I like what I like" level of appreciation, your strong, reasoned view might either educate or sway me.  

Thank you both for your feedback. I think well reasoned views can make a difference. (It took me 15 minutes to make my daughter's boyfriend, who was skeptical at first, understand the importance of the original aspect ratio in movies.) However I just can't see how my disliking of your favorite movie hurts you. You love it, what difference does a stranger's opinion (even a "pompous asshole's") matter?

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wineart 2 posted:

Children of Men

Chinatown 


Both aging well IMO. 

It's always interesting that Children of Men was written by P.D. James. Totally unexpected from that dark police procedural author.

Chinatown, of course, is a piece of shit.

FKG watched The Force Awakens for the first time yesterday

Thursday - the Rise of Skywalker - we are not really huge fans but we are going with a large group and our best friends are.

The last Star Wars movie we saw on opening day was Phantom Menace - I can only hope this is better than that

The Old Man posted:
bman posted:
The Old Man posted:
bman posted:

Perhaps the issue is how what you say reflects who you are or at least who you seem to be. 

I've already admitted some of my flaws. Now could you please address the question? It's said that saying things different than what many people think is "raining on their parade." I just don't see how anyone's parade can be affected by an unknown person on the internet.

For better or worse the internet is just another form of social interaction. People with whom we engage here are not known. In some respects we know them better than if we knew them face to face. So what people say here is mo different than what people say face to face. And any interaction affects those interacting. 

So, again, please answer the question. If a person on the internet, or in person (even a friend), strongly disagrees with your love of a particular movie, does it affect your opinion of the movie. Is you parade rained on?

Much like wine critics, I tend to listen to those who are aligned with my viewing palate.  I would watch Stepbrothers 10/10 times over Citizen Kane, so clearly our viewing palates are not aligned.  Knowing we have different tastes (which is ok), it doesn't bother me if you don't like the same films I like.  

I think what some people may be referring t, however,  is Why go out of your way to sh*t on a movie that someone else clearly likes?  

Also, I can't wait for the new Star Wars movie to come out, and will make every effort to be there opening day with my kids .  

Thank you for your response. As for why, in most cases I think I'm just trying to be funny and who really cares what I think anyways? But as I always quote, "Dying is easy, comedy is hard."

billhike posted:

Citizen Kane - sucked then and sucks now. 

You really rained on my parade there for a minute.

"just kidding. I’ve never seen it. " 

The Old Man posted:
billhike posted:

Citizen Kane - sucked then and sucks now. 

You really rained on my parade there for a minute.

"just kidding. I’ve never seen it. " 

I may have said it before - I’m not very cultured.  I’ll get there one day. 

billhike posted:

Citizen Kane - sucked then and sucks now. 

just kidding. I’ve never seen it. 

But you have seen Stepbrothers right?  A true American classic

Knives Out - 79 pts. Just kind of a mess of a movie that can't decide exactly what its tone should be. And a mystery you should see coming before half the movie is over.

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patespo1 posted:
billhike posted:

Citizen Kane - sucked then and sucks now. 

just kidding. I’ve never seen it. 

But you have seen Stepbrothers right?  A true American classic

Had to look it up, then saw it has Will Ferrell and realized why I hadn’t heard of it.

billhike posted:
patespo1 posted:
billhike posted:

Citizen Kane - sucked then and sucks now. 

just kidding. I’ve never seen it. 

But you have seen Stepbrothers right?  A true American classic

Had to look it up, then saw it has Will Ferrell and realized why I hadn’t heard of it.

Ok, now I consider my parade rained on!

The Old Man posted:

The first Star War's movie I saw on opening day was A New Hope . And that's all I'm going to say.

I don't think I saw it on opening day, but I have seen it well over 100 times in the theater; usually in 70mm. Still the best of the series, imo. 

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mneeley490 posted:
The Old Man posted:

The first Star War's movie I saw on opening day was A New Hope . And that's all I'm going to say.

I don't think I saw it on opening day, but I have seen it well over 100 times in the theater; usually in 70mm. Still the best of the series, imo. 

Welllll....you pulled me in. I was, up to that time, a George Lucas fan, and also as a science fiction fan I was really looking forward to it. I didn't like it ten minutes in and today it wouldn't crack my top 300. (I hope that didn't rain on your parade and you will still continue to enjoy it even after my negative comment.)

"I don't think I saw it on opening day..."

It depends on where you lived. In those days movies would not "open wide." They would play in about ten major cities and usually at only one theater. In Chicago it opened at the Esquire of all places.

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The Old Man posted:
mneeley490 posted:
The Old Man posted:

The first Star War's movie I saw on opening day was A New Hope . And that's all I'm going to say.

I don't think I saw it on opening day, but I have seen it well over 100 times in the theater; usually in 70mm. Still the best of the series, imo. 

Welllll....you pulled me in. I was, up to that time, a George Lucas fan, and also as a science fiction fan I was really looking forward to it. I didn't like it ten minutes in and today it wouldn't crack my top 300. (I hope that didn't rain on your parade and you will still continue to enjoy it even after my negative comment.)

"I don't think I saw it on opening day..."

It depends on where you lived. In those days movies would not "open wide." They would play in about ten major cities and usually at only one theater. In Chicago it opened at the Esquire of all places.

I just never had an interest or a curiosity for this series. I thought about watching one a number of years ago, but laid down until the moment passed. 

There is certainly a fan base that loves all they have to offer...

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