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Former15, The Tree of Life is also getting much press here currently.

I think that is getting some controversy over here with some loving it, and some not so much. Certainly, Penn is one of my favorite actors and I think Pitt's 'pretty boy' image has kept him from being taken as seriously as his talents should have allowed. So that is certainly on my RADAR.

FWIW: Thor is mindless fun. An unusual turn, and a bit of a letdown, for a Ken Branagh movie -- then again, I've still never seen a movie of his that I did not like.
The wife and I finally watched Black Swan last night. It was alright, but by no means great or what we expected.

And the much anticipated sex scene between Portman and Kunis was a rip off in my book. We didn't even get any damn nudity! Don't they realize most men watched that movie for that one scene alone? I think I speak for all of us when I say we wanted more.
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Originally posted by sydthesquid:
District 9.

People actually liked this?

I enjoyed it. I didn't think it lived up to the hype, but I enjoyed it. Beyond the action, I thought the performance by the lead actor was very good.


+1

I found it enjoyable, and the lead actor was incredible.


I liked the humour, action and violence. I liked the lead guy and the South African special forces colonel was a great adversary. I hope there is a sequel.
+1 for District 9. I just saw it too, and a novel flick. ***1/2 for the first 2/3 of the movie, ** for the shoot-em-up last 1/3.
Definitely set up for a sequel.

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Originally posted by mpls wine guy:
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.


Good flick! Have you seen Iron Monkey? It's not as good, but similar wire-fu and a decent enough plot to carry the martial arts mayhem.
I'm surprised there's so many in agreement that the original Hangover was a subpar flick. I found it to be an instant classic that had me on the verge of tears several times during the first time I watched it.

Ofcourse I'm excited about the sequel, but they did rub me the wrong way a bit during production on this one. The fact that they re-cast what was gonna be Mel Gibson's role because of the controversy that went on between he and his wife on the infamous "phone call" was ridiculous. They now want to take the moral high-ground? They can cast a convicted rapist and ear-biter in Mike Tyson, but have reservations about a guy who let his wife have it over the phone? Just silly.
I thought the original was very funny. Not "classic" but very funny.

Re: Gibson v. Tyson. I think it is more complex than mneeley490 makes it out to be.

1) One of them hasn't done something publicly bad in, like 10 years, so that is a difference.

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2) The casting of Tyson in his particular role as himself does not legitimize him as a human being, whereas casting Gibson in a cameo in the immediate aftermath of the tapes being released (and the anti-semetic remarks a couple of years earlier, etc) would have been seen by many as a show of support for him, or at least, a show of legitimizing him as an actor. I believe that it was Zack Galifinakis who voiced an objection and that his objection was ultimately supported by other cast members. That is the rumor, anyway. I have no problem with Gibson not working in this, nor any other movie for that matter. (Although I do recognize him as a talent.)

AZwineRyan,

Without defending Tyson's actions in any way (though I do recall some controversy in his rape conviction) I want to distinguish "letting your wife have it over the phone" versus what Gibson did. Everyone says things they are not proud of in tones they are not proud of. Not everyone says things or threaten things in a totally inexcusable fashion, as Gibson did.
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Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
I'm surprised there's so many in agreement that the original Hangover was a subpar flick. I found it to be an instant classic that had me on the verge of tears several times during the first time I watched it.
Agreed, I even found it funnier after watching it a few more times. I'm looking forward to the sequel this weekend, I have no doubt it will over the top and silly at times, but I'm still looking forward to some good laughs nonetheless.
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Re: Gibson v. Tyson. I think it is more complex than mneeley490 makes it out to be.


Yes, it was more complex. And just for the record, I'm not trying to compare Gibson to Tyson, more just make a point. I personally am a huge fan of Mike Tyson as a boxer, and easily consider him the best I've had a chance to watch live in my lifetime.

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I believe that it was Zack Galifinakis who voiced an objection and that his objection was ultimately supported by other cast members. That is the rumor, anyway.


I believe that's how it went down as well...at least that's what I read several months ago. Once again, I'm sorry, but that's just silly in my book. I mean who the heck is Zack Galifinakis? He's not the director or producer. The guy should be more worried about growing his beard out than the casting of Mel Gibson.

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I want to distinguish "letting your wife have it over the phone" versus what Gibson did. Everyone says things they are not proud of in tones they are not proud of. Not everyone says things or threaten things in a totally inexcusable fashion, as Gibson did.


I completely agree that what he did was inexcusable. But this issue now brings me to an entirely different hollywood incident stemming from years ago. I'm sure most of us remember Alec Baldwin completey laying into his own young daughter over the phone a few years back. Well, for Alec's career, it was as if it never happened. He's been bigger in hollywood/television than ever since then. I personally think what Alec Baldwin said to his young and far more vulnerable and impressionable daughter over the phone was quite a bit worse than what Mel Gibson said to his grown wife. Baldwin has since been the star of a hit TV show and several blockbusters while Gibson's Apocalypto was snubbed for the best picture Oscar and he's been blacklisted in hollywood. The only real difference I see between these two is that Baldwin's a die-hard liberal, and Gibson's a conservative who has made anti-semitic remarks in the past...oh wait, there lies the answer. Wink I hate to play the cliche "liberal elitist" hollywood card, but I can certainly see the correlation in how those two different incidents played out.

On a side note, I personally think Gibson's role in Hangover 2 would of been hilarious. The second I heard he had been originally casted, I instantly thought of a role like Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder.
AZ,

Regarding Baldwin. I agree him blowing up on a voicemail to his daughter was horrible, but I disagree that it is as bad as the totality of Gibson's rants. Between the anti-semetism and the consistent (more than one time blow up) direct death threats to a woman who was in the same general area, worse. Baldwin threatened to fly 3,000 miles to "straighten [his daughter] out" once, on a voicemail. Gibson threatened to kill someone who was a few miles away several times. Also, I believe there were other racial comments as well... the "n" word.

I'm pretty certain political party makes less of a difference in the entertainment industry (re: getting roles) than you think it does -- last time I checked, Clint Eastwood was doing just fine. But I agree that it was the totality of the situation -- ALL the phone calls, the "n" word, anti-semetism, etc -- not one specific incident, that probably cost Gibson a minor role.
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Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
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I believe that it was Zack Galifinakis who voiced an objection and that his objection was ultimately supported by other cast members. That is the rumor, anyway.


I believe that's how it went down as well...at least that's what I read several months ago. Once again, I'm sorry, but that's just silly in my book. I mean who the heck is Zack Galifinakis? He's not the director or producer. The guy should be more worried about growing his beard out than the casting of Mel Gibson.

Todd Phillps has said in interviews that it was not Galifinakis. Phillips said he made the decision based on an overall feeling of what the cast and crew felt.

Of course, that's the public line...maybe it really was one person. Regardless, folks like us will really never know.

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