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No Problemo Pinotlvr! Smile


As much as I'd love to pan Kenny G, he's actually skilled on his fish horn, so I can't call him overrated. Crappy music to be sure, and it makes me want to pour hot candle wax in my ears whenever his mellow soprano sax stylings come on in my company's elevator, I'll admit his "jazz" has served as good gateway music to the idiom. Most people aren't appreciating Coltrane's Sun Ship in a vacuum.
Rush

Radiohead

Coldplay

John Mayer and the entire current school of testosterone-free male singer-like creatures who sing ballads about bodily wonderlands and chicks on busses they are afraid to talk to (James Blunt.)

Every Jeff back album since Wired (or, maybe, Blow By Blow.)

Every Joe Satriani album.

Metallica (but maybe their next one with Lou Reed will change my mind.)

The Glee phenomenon.

Beyonce (except "Put A Ring On It,") Rhianna, Ke(dollar sign)ha, and those chick acts that require an 'artist' to undertake a 90% reduction in clothing in order to become tolerable entertainment.

End rant.
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:

Any musician who don't write their own lyrics or music.


Really?? Pavarotti? Domingo? Callas? Te Kanawa? Sutherland? Barenboim? Gould? Heifetz? Stern? Ma? Casals? etc.

That is one broad, broad brush, sir. I can't believe you really mean that.


Maybe he'd say Pavorotti, Domingo, Callas, Te Kanawa, Sutherland, and Casals aren't technically musicians?

And, yes, all they really do is 'cover versions' of existing material! How hard could that be?

Big Grin

(Totally goofing off, I agree with your point about 'original' material being required.)

Any overrated "musicians" on your genre list?
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Originally posted by The Cabernet of Doctor Caligari:
Rush

Radiohead

Coldplay

John Mayer and the entire current school of testosterone-free male singer-like creatures who sing ballads about bodily wonderlands and chicks on busses they are afraid to talk to (James Blunt.)

Every Jeff back album since Wired (or, maybe, Blow By Blow.)

Every Joe Satriani album.

Metallica (but maybe their next one with Lou Reed will change my mind.)

The Glee phenomenon.

Beyonce (except "Put A Ring On It,") Rhianna, Ke(dollar sign)ha, and those chick acts that require an 'artist' to undertake a 90% reduction in clothing in order to become tolerable entertainment.

End rant.


I understand all of this except the 'ring on it' caveat.
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Originally posted by The Cabernet of Doctor Caligari:
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:

Any musician who don't write their own lyrics or music.


Really?? Pavarotti? Domingo? Callas? Te Kanawa? Sutherland? Barenboim? Gould? Heifetz? Stern? Ma? Casals? etc.

That is one broad, broad brush, sir. I can't believe you really mean that.


Maybe he'd say Pavorotti, Domingo, Callas, Te Kanawa, Sutherland, and Casals aren't technically musicians?

Please read the original subject line of this thread again.

Is it your belief that Pablo Casals is a carpenter? Or a shepherd? Or a Viking hero? I'm not sure why someone would think him not "technically" a musician; he did make a modest living from playing music, I understand.


And, yes, all they really do is 'cover versions' of existing material! How hard could that be?

Not hard to do it poorly, I can tell you from personal experience. Extremely hard to do it so well that people revere you and you receive significant financial compensation for doing, I think, though I cannot tell you that from personal experience.


(Totally goofing off, I agree with your point about 'original' material being required.)

Any overrated "musicians" on your genre list?

I'm not certain whether this question is directed to me, but I'll reply. There are musicians whose music I try to avoid hearing; I'm not sure they're over-rated as someone must like them. If they're not good enough for me-- based only on my personal taste-- to listen to, I wouldn't call them "overrated," but rather inadequate.
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:

Any musician who don't write their own lyrics or music.


Really?? Pavarotti? Domingo? Callas? Te Kanawa? Sutherland? Barenboim? Gould? Heifetz? Stern? Ma? Casals? etc.

That is one broad, broad brush, sir. I can't believe you really mean that.
Sorry, I was referring to pop music and the boy bands. Classical musicians have a different bar, and I don't have any idea of the criteria one would use in rating them in this context.
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by The Cabernet of Doctor Caligari:
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:

Any musician who don't write their own lyrics or music.


Really?? Pavarotti? Domingo? Callas? Te Kanawa? Sutherland? Barenboim? Gould? Heifetz? Stern? Ma? Casals? etc.

That is one broad, broad brush, sir. I can't believe you really mean that.


Maybe he'd say Pavorotti, Domingo, Callas, Te Kanawa, Sutherland, and Casals aren't technically musicians?

Please read the original subject line of this thread again.

Is it your belief that Pablo Casals is a carpenter? Or a shepherd? Or a Viking hero? I'm not sure why someone would think him not "technically" a musician; he did make a modest living from playing music, I understand.


And, yes, all they really do is 'cover versions' of existing material! How hard could that be?

Not hard to do it poorly, I can tell you from personal experience. Extremely hard to do it so well that people revere you and you receive significant financial compensation for doing, I think, though I cannot tell you that from personal experience.


(Totally goofing off, I agree with your point about 'original' material being required.)

Any overrated "musicians" on your genre list?

I'm not certain whether this question is directed to me, but I'll reply. There are musicians whose music I try to avoid hearing; I'm not sure they're over-rated as someone must like them. If they're not good enough for me-- based only on my personal taste-- to listen to, I wouldn't call them "overrated," but rather inadequate.


I was hoping the smiley face and me saying that I was "totally goofing off" would have made it more clear that I was joking around.

I apologize for any sensibility, delicate or otherwise, I may have offended.

Wink

I had edited your list with the intent of keeping only the vocalists, but forgot to cut Casals.
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Originally posted by indybob:
No Problemo Pinotlvr! Smile


As much as I'd love to pan Kenny G, he's actually skilled on his fish horn, so I can't call him overrated. Crappy music to be sure, and it makes me want to pour hot candle wax in my ears whenever his mellow soprano sax stylings come on in my company's elevator, I'll admit his "jazz" has served as good gateway music to the idiom. Most people aren't appreciating Coltrane's Sun Ship in a vacuum.


Pat Metheny's vicious takedown of Kenny G is an interesting read.
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Originally posted by Vinyrd Skynyrd:

Pat Metheny's vicious takedown of Kenny G is an interesting read.


Skewered. Wow... Eek Eek

We have XM in the office, and occasionally in times past one of our employees would turn on the "smooth jazz" station. Inevitably, Kenny G would come on with his insipid warbling. I would beeline to the receiver and make an immediate correction. Now the gang is well trained. No smooth jazz and no rap, and all is peaches in cream at the office.

PH
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by Vinyrd Skynyrd:

Pat Metheny's vicious takedown of Kenny G is an interesting read.


Skewered. Wow... Eek Eek

We have XM in the office, and occasionally in times past one of our employees would turn on the "smooth jazz" station.


Knowing you well, and sharing much wine and the vicissitudes of life with you... this absolutely made me laugh out loud. Big Grin

I would love to be a fly on the wall as you ruminate on this beautiful and soulful music. Razz
Anybody who makes millions of dollars and can't actually sing or play a musical instrument, but instead plays back actual music previously recorded by others but with weird sound effects dubbed over it.

I know there are lots of them because I have heard it, but I don't know any of their names. And it's most likely going to stay that way.
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Originally posted by DoubleD:
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by DoubleD:

Any musician who don't write their own lyrics or music.


Really?? Pavarotti? Domingo? Callas? Te Kanawa? Sutherland? Barenboim? Gould? Heifetz? Stern? Ma? Casals? etc.

That is one broad, broad brush, sir. I can't believe you really mean that.
Sorry, I was referring to pop music and the boy bands. Classical musicians have a different bar, and I don't have any idea of the criteria one would use in rating them in this context.

Janis Joplin, Richie Havens, Ray Charles, Joe Cocker...

I think it is fair to say there have been some great pop/folk/rock singers who didn't write the vast majority of their music. I don't think Jackie Wilson did either. And while I'm not a huge Elvis fan...

I heard that Bon Jovi has sold over 120 million albums. Don't get me wrong, at weddings I'm up singing along to "Livin' on a Prayer" just like everyone else, and "Dead or Alive" is a decent song. But 120 million? That seems grossly disproportionate to their talent.

I never liked Queen

I am not a Belieber (I'm also not a 13 year old girl, so that might explain why)

If I never hear another Dave Matthew's Band song again it will be too soon
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