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Originally posted by VT2IT:
For me wine is an integral part of the dining experience, and if it’s priced so ridiculously high as to make the meal not worth it I’m not going to frequent that restaurant.


Okay fine, wine is not the reason why i goto a restaurant to eat. Notice the EAT, not drink.

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Originally posted by VT2IT:
The quality of the food is still only worth so much.


You goto a restaurant to eat the food, not drink the wine. The chef does not make the wine, he makes the food. If you worry about the mark up of the wine, you could goto the restaurant and get take out and drink whatever wine you want. you could also bring your own bottle and also have the meal. Or you could just get a glass, or you could just not drink at all. Previous posters have offered many good suggestions.

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Originally posted by VT2IT:
That’s your right; I just don’t understand it,


If you've never had an experience where the quality of the food and the skill of the skill chef just prepares something that is so spot on, then you'll never understand it. And apparently just because places like Le Bernadin's wine list is unreasonably priced, they can't possibly give you a great dining experience.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by VT2IT:
For me wine is an integral part of the dining experience, and if it’s priced so ridiculously high as to make the meal not worth it I’m not going to frequent that restaurant.


Okay fine, wine is not the reason why i goto a restaurant to eat. Notice the EAT, not drink.
But what is a meal without wine?
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Originally posted by VT2IT:
The quality of the food is still only worth so much.


You goto a restaurant to eat the food, not drink the wine. The chef does not make the wine, he makes the food. If you worry about the mark up of the wine, you could goto the restaurant and get take out and drink whatever wine you want. you could also bring your own bottle and also have the meal. Or you could just get a glass, or you could just not drink at all. Previous posters have offered many good suggestions.
There are many places where BYOB is not allowed by law, so that's out. As I stated before, for me wine is an important part of the dinner. To go out to eat and not order a bottle is unthinkable. But that's just me, for others I'm sure it is not as important.
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Originally posted by VT2IT:
That’s your right; I just don’t understand it,


If you've never had an experience where the quality of the food and the skill of the skill chef just prepares something that is so spot on, then you'll never understand it. And apparently just because places like Le Bernadin's wine list is unreasonably priced, they can't possibly give you a great dining experience.
I've been to Le Bernadin and it was wonderful. Part of what made it so was that while not cheap by any means it was well worth it. As for their wine list I found it quite reasonable. They weren't "giving it away" but for the level of restaurant the prices were more then fair. There is a price for everything, and a price where it's just no longer worth it. It's clear that we will never agree on this but like I said we each make our own choices, what is right for me my not be for you. C'est la vie.
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Originally posted by mneeley490:
I agree with the sentiments about Mortons. If I have to have wine, I BYOB and face the corkage. Otherwise, I've often said, I can have several of their best cocktails for the price of their worst wine.

I'm not sure why you'd want to. I guess there's a method of matching cocktails to beef--but I'm into wine with my dinner.
I have always been a huge fan of Ruth's Chris in Houston for their intimate/quite atmosphere. Makes for a great dinner to actually talk to one another instead of shouting like most places.. Took a customer to Vic and Anthony's before an Astros game last month. The wait staff and sommelier were both excellent! Steak was great too! But toward the end of dinner, it really started getting loud. We were seated at 5pm and left by 7pm to catch first pitch-just a block away from the ballpark. Have to agree with you guys Morton's in Houston is loudest place ever with poor quality steaks too.
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Originally posted by CalypsoRed:
I have always been a huge fan of Ruth's Chris in Houston for their intimate/quite atmosphere. Makes for a great dinner to actually talk to one another instead of shouting like most places.. Took a customer to Vic and Anthony's before an Astros game last month. The wait staff and sommelier were both excellent! Steak was great too! But toward the end of dinner, it really started getting loud. We were seated at 5pm and left by 7pm to catch first pitch-just a block away from the ballpark. Have to agree with you guys Morton's in Houston is loudest place ever with poor quality steaks too.


I'm in Houston every month, but have never been to the R/C in Houston.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by Florida Wino:
My top ones with bad lists and / or overpriced:
1] Capital Grill
2] 3 Forks
3] Mortons
4] Ruth Chris
5] Flemings

Why can't these chains get it right?
Most people that dine at those places are on expense accounts and don’t know or don’t care about the high mark ups.


I am not on an expense account, and would most assuredly like to partake a good meal, with nice wine, as part of our normal live entertainment budget.

The top four of these are all here in a snow bird area of Florida, yet there are those like use that live here all year. A passable dinner for 2 runs over $ 200. Yuck

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