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A few thoughts.
1 - The NCAA is a complete joke. It needs to be disbanded.. Let the super conferences form and set up a playoff system on their own.
2 - If UM doesnt get the death penalty it will never be used again.
3 - Kirby Hocutt is a terrible person. He hires Al Golden when the texas Tech coach is a better candidate for the UM job. He doesnt tell Golden the scope of this. Then he bolts to Texas Tech so he gets the coach he should have hired for UM and escapes the sinking ship.
1 - The NCAA is a complete joke. It needs to be disbanded.. Let the super conferences form and set up a playoff system on their own.
2 - If UM doesnt get the death penalty it will never be used again.
3 - Kirby Hocutt is a terrible person. He hires Al Golden when the texas Tech coach is a better candidate for the UM job. He doesnt tell Golden the scope of this. Then he bolts to Texas Tech so he gets the coach he should have hired for UM and escapes the sinking ship.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
2 - If UM doesnt get the death penalty it will never be used again.
i'm all for capital punishment, but wouldn't you agree that sentencing 90 kids and a few old guys to death for buying each other rims and going to strip clubs a bit excessive?? i mean, we have people convicted of murder who are given life sentences in lieu of the death penalty. i just think it's unfair.
OK, one of you two needs to use one of those little winky emoticons right about now. 
quote:Originally posted by wineismylife:
OK, one of you two needs to use one of those little winky emoticons right about now.
Yeah, time for jorge to do his Emily Litella, "Nevermind......"
PH
I believe that the death penalty requires not just the severity of infractions, but also previous sanctions:
From Stewart Mandel/SI:
“Miami qualifies as a repeat violator for any violations before Feb. 27, 2008, stemming from it mid-90s Pell Grant scandal.”
From Stewart Mandel/SI:
“Miami qualifies as a repeat violator for any violations before Feb. 27, 2008, stemming from it mid-90s Pell Grant scandal.”
I rarely revel in other schools troubles, since every school cannot control all things, but this could not have happened to a nicer bunch of guys. Whether the NCAA will have the proper enforecement mechanism is another issue. Upon first blush, this makes the charges against USC and Ohio State seem miniscule.
The ramifications are numerous:
1) Any changes of "Da U" regaining dynasty status are dashed for a long, long time.
2) The fertile recruiting base, and it is really loaded with five star athletes, is now Florida and Florida State's to share.
3) Without a strong Miami, FSU may now seriously consider a move to the SEC.
The ramifications are numerous:
1) Any changes of "Da U" regaining dynasty status are dashed for a long, long time.
2) The fertile recruiting base, and it is really loaded with five star athletes, is now Florida and Florida State's to share.
3) Without a strong Miami, FSU may now seriously consider a move to the SEC.
quote:Originally posted by GreenDrazi:
I believe that the death penalty requires not just the severity of infractions, but also previous sanctions:
From Stewart Mandel/SI:
“Miami qualifies as a repeat violator for any violations before Feb. 27, 2008, stemming from it mid-90s Pell Grant scandal.”
I want to clarify my earlier death penalty comment. I dont expect UM to get it because I dont expect to ever be used again. However, if there was an instance to bring it back, it would be here if all of these allegations are true.
Whats funny is that the worst allegations are against Frank Haith and UM basketball, not football.
If USC got a 2 yr bowl ban and lost 30 scholarships for just 2 players on roster, what happens when you have 73 players, both recruits & on roster players, over an 8 year period with 5 asst. coaches involved?quote:Originally posted by jburman82:quote:Originally posted by GreenDrazi:
I believe that the death penalty requires not just the severity of infractions, but also previous sanctions:
From Stewart Mandel/SI:
“Miami qualifies as a repeat violator for any violations before Feb. 27, 2008, stemming from it mid-90s Pell Grant scandal.”
I want to clarify my earlier death penalty comment. I dont expect UM to get it because I dont expect to ever be used again. However, if there was an instance to bring it back, it would be here if all of these allegations are true.
Whats funny is that the worst allegations are against Frank Haith and UM basketball, not football.
Or does the fact that Paul Dee, who was the AD at Miami for much of this time, was also the Chairman of the NCAA Committee that slammed USC with the infamous "high-profile athletes demand high-profile compliance" statement over improper gifts for Bush and the access outsiders had to the locker room some how soften the blow?
Note that this is another well documented investigation article by Chris Robinson of yahoo!sports, as opposed to the headline grabbing hit pieces from the likes of ESPN and the NYT, which are often based on little more than rumors by authors with a less-than-objective agendas. If the allegations appear to be true to the NCAA, U of Miami will be a repeat offender, making this a likely death penalty case.
Greeny, I agree if there was ever a case to use it again this is it. I just dont think the NCAA will ever use it again after seeing the damage it did to SMU, not just the football program but the entire school.
Fascinating events.
Will the NCAA go the route of "Cam Newton's dad was the one misbehaving, not Cam, so no problem." Or, will they go the route of "Reggie Bush's parents misbehaved, so let's punish USC?"
The way the NCAA has been behaving, they'll end up giving Ohio State a commendation for not throwing any sex parties on yachts and give Miami a slap on the hand, since they aren't USC and haven't been beating any SEC teams.
Although, killing Miami would help the SEC, so perhaps the NCAA will follow the "anything for the SEC" rule and really go after Miami.
Will the NCAA go the route of "Cam Newton's dad was the one misbehaving, not Cam, so no problem." Or, will they go the route of "Reggie Bush's parents misbehaved, so let's punish USC?"
The way the NCAA has been behaving, they'll end up giving Ohio State a commendation for not throwing any sex parties on yachts and give Miami a slap on the hand, since they aren't USC and haven't been beating any SEC teams.
Although, killing Miami would help the SEC, so perhaps the NCAA will follow the "anything for the SEC" rule and really go after Miami.
To be honest, it is at the point where I simply don't care anymore... Let the players get what they can... The NCAA is a bunch of crooks, thieves and morally depraved, unobjective criminals; any sort of punishment for university infractions is hypocritical considering the example they are setting themselves. Their greedy behavior has fostered an environment that not only condones improper benefits, but actively promotes it, considering the way they have their hands in everyone's pockets. As a former Division I athlete, I am tired of the NCAA and wish the justice department would spend 10% of what they have devoted to prosecuting Clemens, Bonds, Lance, etc. The reason they don't, is because they are afraid once they start digging, you will end up with a paper trail of corruption that would stretch to the moon and back. The arbitrary punishment leveled against USC and then the restraint against OSU is just a tip of the iceberg. I simply don't care about the allegations against Da U until the NCAA decides to start facing the music themselves.
Big shocker 
This entire college athletes receiving illegal benefits controversy has quickly become like the MLB steroid controversy to me. They've all been doing it for years. Get over it, and stop acting like you're surprised.
This entire college athletes receiving illegal benefits controversy has quickly become like the MLB steroid controversy to me. They've all been doing it for years. Get over it, and stop acting like you're surprised.
quote:Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
like the MLB steroid controversy
man, could you imagine?!
that would ruin the sport.
quote:Originally posted by jorgerunfast:quote:Originally posted by AZwineRyan:
like the MLB steroid controversy
man, could you imagine?!
that would ruin the sport.
It surely won't turn out to be as big of a deal as the MLB steroid controversy. I meant that it reminds me of the MLB steroid controversy in the sense that some were naive enough to think that just the few baseball players who were caught were using steroids...when the reality is that likely 90 plus percent of the league was. It's the same to me when people act shocked when info like this comes out on programs like USC, Ohio State, Miami, etc, when the reality here is that likely 90 plus percent of the college programs in the entire country have had athletes doing the same things for years now.
This makes Ohio State infractions look like jaywalking vs a felony crime.
quote:Originally posted by ThistlinTom:
This makes Ohio State infractions look like jaywalking vs a felony crime.
The head coach being found complicit in a cover-up and giving false information to the NCAA is likely a felony in the eyes of the NCAA. Likely one of the many reasons OSU quickly distanced themselves from Tressell.
I am thinking the NCAA is not doing their job either as the evidence on Miami dates back 8 years from the news information online.