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Originally posted by latour67:
I can't seem to find the price of any of their wines. They must want people to sign up for their list who don't care what they pay for a bottle of wine. Confused I'm already on the list of two Mark Harold wines, and I knew their cost before I signed up!

I'm guessing after the success of LM, that's the new game plan.
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Originally posted by sprnplr:
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Originally posted by latour67:
I can't seem to find the price of any of their wines. They must want people to sign up for their list who don't care what they pay for a bottle of wine. Confused I'm already on the list of two Mark Harold wines, and I knew their cost before I signed up!

I'm guessing after the success of LM, that's the new game plan.



I don't know, but they're making a lot more wine than L&M.

I was on the Blaniet, L&M, & Sloan list, and asked to be removed from all of them. Somewhere you just have to draw the line, as TERPS said: A new high end winery comes up every week in Napa. I think its starting to get very late in the game for most of these new wineries.

Besides, when you finally wake up and recognize the total amount you paid for fermented grape juice, in lieu of a nice monthly annuity, you may realize that all these wineries were having a field day with your future!
I think when you look at the big picture it's not the inexpensive wines that put Napa Valley on the map...it's the high end ones... I also think when you make less than 1000 cases per year your cost to produce off the scale... I also think that it's guys like Mark Herold and other small wine-makers are the ones that will keep pushing the bar higher for the guys who take short cuts to wine making. I don't know much about his new wine Ardore, but if it's a $200.00 bottle of wine...good for them...I will drink my less expensive wine during the week and save the good wine for that special day.

Cheers..
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Originally posted by gfoster:
I think when you look at the big picture it's not the inexpensive wines that put Napa Valley on the map...it's the high end ones... I also think when you make less than 1000 cases per year your cost to produce off the scale... I also think that it's guys like Mark Herold and other small wine-makers are the ones that will keep pushing the bar higher for the guys who take short cuts to wine making. I don't know much about his new wine Ardore, but if it's a $200.00 bottle of wine...good for them...I will drink my less expensive wine during the week and save the good wine for that special day.

Cheers..



gfoster Welcome to the Wine Spectator Forums!

Yes, Napa Valley Wineries have been making quality wines for years, but they were only charging $35/$40 per bottle. Pricing has outstripped inflation, by far! CPA's, Investment Bankers, Healthcare professionals, and Business Executives have moved to Napa, making small production wines at abnormally high prices, which capitalizes into property value increases. Now that's a great business, but to the detriment of many long termed wine collectors, as it forces all wine prices to increase.

SE, Harlan, L&M, and other outrageously priced Cabernet, have not been good for many wine collectors, but only good for the owners of those properties. If Ardore prices in a reasonable manner, I wouldn't mind giving it a try, but I'm not interested purchasing a bottle that hasn't ever been released or reviewed, at $100+ per bottle.

Has Ardore even been reviewed by Wine Spectator, Wine Advocate, Steve Tanzer, etc. or have to tasted Ardore? Are you connected or acquainted with Ardore, gfoster?
This is just off the top of my head wineries that are already making 100 plus dollar bottles of wine, Opus, Harlan, Araujo, Grace, Arietta, Merus, Screaming Eagle, David Arthur, Caymus, Chappallet, Insignia, Shafer, Bond, Gemstone, Dalla Valle, Scarecrow, Rubicon, Colgin, Sloan, L& M, Staglin, Buccella, Pahlmeyer, Aubert, Stags Leap, Diamond Creek, Verite, Blankiet, Lewis, Jones, Spottswoode. I am sure there are many more that I missed also. I think there are plenty of luxury wines on the market. I am just not so sure that the public can support so many of them. I am seeing more of the so called mailing list only wines starting to show up more and more at wine shops in my area.
I love all this feedback...I'm not connected to any of these wines...but, I always support the small wine-makers... They're like the small corner store to me that still cares...being a banker by trade, I don't buy wine for the investment, but just as I look at track records on all investments...when a wine-maker gets top
scores for the past 7 years...and by that I don't mean 90-91's...this guy gets 95-97's... That keeps my attention... I have other small wine productions that I buy from...Portfolio is another one...I was turned on to Mark Herold by the Dean and Deluca's wine staff. Cheers

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