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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
The LA stands for Lost Again.
You guys have had a nice run, but LA still has more WS wins than SF Wink

glenn- wins before either of us were born don't count. Big Grin
Of course they do! I grew up with those Dodger stories through my Dad. Plus 88 counts for 3 world series wins because it was so awesome. Razz
they are well positioned. they just seem to lack a true leader. the giants have posey- he is easy for the whole team to rally around. the dodgers' leader is probably kershaw, and i just think it is more difficult for a pitcher to be the rallying force for a team. They need Adrian to step up in my opinion. he has the bat, he has the talent, he just needs to accept being the voice. but the dodgers farm system is simply stocked.
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by TPEwinedrinker:
The LA stands for Lost Again.
You guys have had a nice run, but LA still has more WS wins than SF Wink

glenn- wins before either of us were born don't count. Big Grin
Of course they do! I grew up with those Dodger stories through my Dad. Plus 88 counts for 3 world series wins because it was so awesome. Razz

88 was pretty special- to be honest, the last time i ever cheered for the Dodgers. i hated Canseco and the A's that much.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by CSM:

Says the guy who roots for the team that STILL employs AROD. The biggest jerk and biggest cheater in the history of sports.


No argument with that statement, but he just runs around the bases. Not rubbing it in. None of the Yankees, the greatest team in baseball, rub it in.


Yeah I never see Yankees bat flip or stare at HRs, or take curtain calls Roll Eyes
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by CSM:

Says the guy who roots for the team that STILL employs AROD. The biggest jerk and biggest cheater in the history of sports.


No argument with that statement, but he just runs around the bases. Not rubbing it in. None of the Yankees, the greatest team in baseball, rub it in.


Yeah I never see Yankees bat flip or stare at HRs, or take curtain calls Roll Eyes


Neither do I, and I watch every game I can. Curtain calls are vastly different and you should know that. A curtain call is a response to fans clamoring for a player who has done something they regard as great.

My hope is to see parrot-toting Encarnacion and bat-flipping Bautista heading home after tomorrow's game, even though I think they're the best team in baseball.
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Originally posted by VinCentric:
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Originally posted by VinT:
What's a fan to do when it appears the manager is doing everything in his power to make sure his team loses a critical game?


This, bad managing, started way back in the regular season when they started coasting and acting like they already had the world series in the bag.


I'm glad some of you BJ fans have brought this up. I was thinking of posting something last week after what I considered to be abysmal managing decisions in the Texas series. A lead-off single for the home team in extra innings of game 2 is not followed up by a sac bunt?? The decision to pull Dickey and pitch David Price in game 4??

I didn't see yesterday's game so don't know what idiocy Gibbons pulled.
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Originally posted by irwin:
season over for Cubs.
oh well, wait till next century.


Well not as dire as that. They have some holes to fill -- the biggest being a #3 starter. Would love for them to get a relevant, veteran position player. Someone like Zobrist who can play multiple positions would be great, but don't know if he is a FA. Looking forward to seeing what Theo does in the off season. "Theo has the fix for 20-1-6."

Looking forward to the WS. All 3 remaining teams have great stories. Mets pitching is going to be tough to beat, but both KC and Toronto have the hitting to do it. I think KC with their hitting approach might have a better chance against the Mets' power arms.
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Originally posted by steve8:
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Originally posted by VinCentric:
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Originally posted by VinT:
What's a fan to do when it appears the manager is doing everything in his power to make sure his team loses a critical game?


This, bad managing, started way back in the regular season when they started coasting and acting like they already had the world series in the bag.


I'm glad some of you BJ fans have brought this up. I was thinking of posting something last week after what I considered to be abysmal managing decisions in the Texas series. A lead-off single for the home team in extra innings of game 2 is not followed up by a sac bunt?? The decision to pull Dickey and pitch David Price in game 4??

I didn't see yesterday's game so don't know what idiocy Gibbons pulled.


Au contraire, he kept Estrada in for 7.2 innings despite Estrada's amazing free agency inspired performance! Agree re: pulling Dickey and putting Price in early in game 4 - lunacy.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by CSM:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
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Originally posted by CSM:

Says the guy who roots for the team that STILL employs AROD. The biggest jerk and biggest cheater in the history of sports.


No argument with that statement, but he just runs around the bases. Not rubbing it in. None of the Yankees, the greatest team in baseball, rub it in.


Yeah I never see Yankees bat flip or stare at HRs, or take curtain calls Roll Eyes


Neither do I, and I watch every game I can. Curtain calls are vastly different and you should know that. A curtain call is a response to fans clamoring for a player who has done something they regard as great.

My hope is to see parrot-toting Encarnacion and bat-flipping Bautista heading home after tomorrow's game, even though I think they're the best team in baseball.


I'll work on getting all of those kid off your lawn for you.
Though I grew up in a time when "acting like you've been there" and not showing up players was the norm, I've come to accept the whole bat flipping thing as just a change in culture. In the case of the Bautista bat flip, the thing that "bothered" me the most was him glaring back at the pitcher to show him up. I don't know if there was some history between the two, but I didn't think that was needed. I do think the whole celebration of walk off wins during the season as if you just won the World Series has gotten a bit ridiculous.

IMO the worst change in baseball and something they really need to address is the umpires and the trend of them inserting themselves into the game. I think some of this has to do with the players and their interactions with the umps. There used to be an "acceptable" way to show displeasure with calls. I'd be interested in knowing if the number of players getting ejected over balls and strikes has grown over the years. There seemed to be more of those instances this year than I can ever remember. I'm not sure if this is more a case of the egos of umpires growing or players more willing to show up the umps and thus the umpires feeling like they need to stand up for themselves more. I really don't think umpiring has gotten that much worse over the years
We have had performances for the ages three years in a row as October tends to identify greatness. It was Big Papi in 2013 with an insane batting average, Madison Bumgardner with incredible pitching last year and now Daniel Murphy. While the Mets are not champions yet, Murphy's six homers in consecutive playoff games is a record. Coupled with a .400 BA and his heads up base running, this is an all time performance.
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by eyesintime:
I really don't think umpiring has gotten that much worse over the years

Why on earth are human umps still being used? Every network has a version of a drawn electronic strike zone that make bad calls painfully obvious.


espn, tbs, fox sports, mlb channel all draw different ball locations on the same pitch.

the strike zone also moves around as it should

a 6'11" batter is not goignt o have the same vertical strike zone as a 5'4" batter.

maybe they should just set up 3 wickets that the pitcher tries to knock down instead =)

the only umps i get annoyed at are the ones that cant track their own strike zone. They call strikes on low balls to the big guys and high balls to the little guys.
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Originally posted by g-man:
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by eyesintime:
I really don't think umpiring has gotten that much worse over the years

Why on earth are human umps still being used? Every network has a version of a drawn electronic strike zone that make bad calls painfully obvious.


espn, tbs, fox sports, mlb channel all draw different ball locations on the same pitch.

the strike zone also moves around as it should

a 6'11" batter is not goignt o have the same vertical strike zone as a 5'4" batter.

maybe they should just set up 3 wickets that the pitcher tries to knock down instead =)

the only umps i get annoyed at are the ones that cant track their own strike zone. They call strikes on low balls to the big guys and high balls to the little guys.

"The Strike Zone is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the bottom of the knees. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter's stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."

Yes, it changes with each batter, getting smaller with smaller hitters, etc. What peeves me is when umps start doing their own freeform interpretation, rounding corners off the zone, and flat out calling some strikes balls and some balls as strikes. If not going fully electronic, at least give teams the option to contest a set number of calls per game.
One of the problems with pro sports in general is the inordinate amount of time it takes to play them; especially football and baseball. Adding instant replay to both only slows the games down. It's bad enough with all the stoppage in play (NFL games average 12 minutes of actual action) and repeated TV commercials.
Maybe it's nothing more simple then hiring better umpires. The NFL still uses accountants, teachers, plumbers, etc. to ref their games. At least in baseball the umps are full time.
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by eyesintime:
I really don't think umpiring has gotten that much worse over the years

Why on earth are human umps still being used? Every network has a version of a drawn electronic strike zone that make bad calls painfully obvious.


This is a question I ask everytime I watch a baseball game. Electronic calling of the strike zone would improve the game dramatically, and there would still be lots for the home plate ump to do. Is this an umpire union issue?
It would take all the emotion out of the game for the viewer and the players. I like the inconsistency and unpredictability. It creates drama: heroes and villains. And it's nothing new. Human inconsistency has always been a factor in the game.

C'mon, we'll be taking about that 7th inning of game 5 of the ALDS for decades.

Sometimes the inconsistency works in our favour and sometimes it doesn't.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
It would take all the emotion out of the game for the viewer and the players. I like the inconsistency and unpredictability. It creates drama: heroes and villains. And it's nothing new. Human inconsistency has always been a factor in the game.

C'mon, we'll be taking about that 7th inning of game 5 of the ALDS for decades.

Sometimes the inconsistency works in our favour and sometimes it doesn't.

I disagree quite a bit. There would still be emotion, drama and plenty of heroes and villains - pitchers will still hit batters, guys will still flip bats, etc.

And human inconsistency always having been part of the game is no excuse to continue a poor enforcement of the rules.

All that said, I can't see baseball changing - if any sport is stuck in its old ways and history, it's baseball.
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Originally posted by Wine Sparty:
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
It would take all the emotion out of the game for the viewer and the players. I like the inconsistency and unpredictability. It creates drama: heroes and villains. And it's nothing new. Human inconsistency has always been a factor in the game.

C'mon, we'll be taking about that 7th inning of game 5 of the ALDS for decades.

Sometimes the inconsistency works in our favour and sometimes it doesn't.

I disagree quite a bit. There would still be emotion, drama and plenty of heroes and villains - pitchers will still hit batters, guys will still flip bats, etc.

And human inconsistency always having been part of the game is no excuse to continue a poor enforcement of the rules.

All that said, I can't see baseball changing - if any sport is stuck in its old ways and history, it's baseball.


That about says it Sparty, agree.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
It would take all the emotion out of the game for the viewer and the players. I like the inconsistency and unpredictability. It creates drama: heroes and villains. And it's nothing new. Human inconsistency has always been a factor in the game.

C'mon, we'll be taking about that 7th inning of game 5 of the ALDS for decades.

Sometimes the inconsistency works in our favour and sometimes it doesn't.


Agree.

And, IMO, the most important thing is to keep it all in perspective.

These are just games, played for our entertainment. Ump and refs getting calls wrong is not the end of the world.
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Originally posted by wine+art:
I hoping for a Toronto win to set up a game 7. This series has been boring thus far if you do not have a dog in the fight.

I'm at least hoping for a close game which we have yet to have.

The Mets made easy work of the poor Cubs as well.

+1 - the LCS have been somewhat boring for those without teams involved. I'd love Price to pitch a gem tonight and force a game 7.

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