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Been talking with a bunch of whiskey nuts recently, and i find their knowledge and passion fascinating especially when talking about things like "natural flavoring" vs "artificial flavoring" and "traditional processes" etc.  Wax on about how Buffalo trace products are well worth the money spent.

But when I have a chat with them about wine and the grapes etc.  "Eh, I dont get why anybody would pay more than 5$ for a btl of wine"

Shouldnt there be the same logical idea from whiskey that translates into wine?  Wouldn't folks realize if they're overspending on whiskey, that it applies to any kind of booze?

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I agree it does not make sense to say that about wine, but you often get that from people who are totally centered on their one passion.  The main difference is it is much more expensive to grow high quality wine grapes than it is corn, barley, rye, or wheat.  However, most wines are aged in barrel for only 6-30 months, while most whiskies are aged 4 to 18 years in the barrel.

I got serious about whisky in 2016 and my passion for it now exceeds that for wine.  From someone who is deep into both, wine is much more intimidating for most people given there are so many producers, growing regions, varietals, vintages, foreign names, etc. Not to mention the really good ones tend to be expensive and they need to be aged.

The nice thing about whisk(e)y is they are ready to drink the day you buy and they will last decades without refrigeration if you don't open them. Plus, you can drink them over a long period of time after opening without worrying about "is it ready", not all in one night like aged wines should be (and hope it was the right time).  I also like that I can get the Holy Grails for $120-250 (at least for bourbon if you can get at retail/ scotch is a whole different ballgame).  A 750 is equivalent to 12-16 servings vs 4-5 for a bottle of wine.  Pretty limited amount of quality producers to learn, only four grains used, no vintages, just the amount of aging and type of barrel (American oak rules instead of European, even with scotch).  Oh, and no proper whiskey should have "flavorings". I think you meant artificial vs natural color, which applies to scotch only.  As long as American whiskey has "Straight" on the label, it has nothing added at all, and that applies to nearly all but the Fireballs and other flavored whiskey.

I love to have wine with a meal, and whisky to enjoy before or after one.  They are BOTH worthy of high prices for the right ones.

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I have gone through a few phases of beer/bourbon/whiskey.  Some people will get so passionate about their choice of (beverage/sound system/vehicle/cell phone/boat/etc/etc/etc/etc/.../...) that justification and rationalization is needed to continue on in their choices and blinders appear on other peoples choices.

Me, can wrap my head on driving a car which costs more than a luxury home, more to insure than said home with little to no regard to how you drive it/where it is left.  I understand the nice car/ the sports car/luxury car. When it costs 20k for your oil change and you leave the car parked on corner of bleeker and broadway in nyc for the day I have issues with it.

@vinole posted:

Sound systems and cars are great examples of things people (OK mostly guys) can be very different on how much they would spend on them. But can we all agree that a flavored alcoholic seltzer product should not cost more than a dollar?

what if it was water sourced from the melting glaciers of the arctic circle naturally carbonated from the trapped methane and fermented from dead wooly mammoth, flavored with cherry?

i'd pay more than a dollar for that.

@g-man posted:

what if it was water sourced from the melting glaciers of the arctic circle naturally carbonated from the trapped methane and fermented from dead wooly mammoth, flavored with cherry?

i'd pay more than a dollar for that.

Great point.  So the business plan should be to target younger millennials and Gen Z and create a hip exclusivity as you can only purchase it with bitcoin, market through top eSports and TikTok "personalities", and then cash out by going public with a SPAC (and sell your entire position the first day).

The flavor of great whiskey comes from wood, charred wood and anything previously soaked in the wood (port, maple syrup, wine etc). Without those it is a neutral spirit. Age has no effect on the taste of whiskey. "Most" expensive spirits, for me, are one of the biggest rip-offs in the world of alcohol, and secondary market Pappy prices are #1 on the list.

The flavor of wine (without added sugar, acid, concentrates etc) comes from the fruit, yeast and if used: wood, toasted wood, and age. Another one of the biggest rip-offs in the alcohol world, for me, is expensive wine from horrible vintages.

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