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[QUOTE]Originally posted by AML:
"All VINTAGES customers may ask

No guarantee they will do the transfer. Notwithstanding the above, my understanding is that it is still at the whim of the PC at the store with the stock. Crazy

Any other, NON government monopoly, retailer, and they make it a policy of shipping from other stores even if there is only 1 in stock
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Originally posted by swinter:
Screaming eagle 2011 cab is only $2050 - but for 5 days only for this "special" offer.
Only about a 25% mark-up compared to the US with taxes in at this price.
Please note, tongue firmly in cheek.


According to winesearcher.com, this is the average price, and only a very few retailers offer it for much less! But I'm still not buying unless one of my weekend lottery tickets is a big winner! Winner
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Originally posted by bman:
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Originally posted by swinter:
Screaming eagle 2011 cab is only $2050 - but for 5 days only for this "special" offer.
Only about a 25% mark-up compared to the US with taxes in at this price.
Please note, tongue firmly in cheek.


According to winesearcher.com, this is the average price, and only a very few retailers offer it for much less! But I'm still not buying unless one of my weekend lottery tickets is a big winner! Winner


Funny how the LCBO tends to mainly get the poorer vintages of these "cults". I guess the wineries need to dump the wine somewhere, and the Board seems willing (for us) to pay the price. Devilish
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Originally posted by vijay:
So apparently there's a bin end sale happening online. I guess that means we get to pay list price for wine.

It's even better than that...

Last Thursday, Vintages announced another bin end sale. If you checked online at Vintages Shop-on-Line web site, you found the pickings were pretty slim. There were a very small number of decent wines, but their prices had gone up in the bin end sale (e.g. Moss Wood Cab was on sale for $139 vs the regular LCBO price of $119). That’s a mighty strange way of conducting a sale, but who am I to question the ways of the KGBO? ... perhaps it's just their way of implementing price innovation.

I went back a day or two later out of curiosity and found that someone with some basic arithmetic skills must have woken up at head office because the prices had now been reduced on those sale wines. I’m still not questioning the ways of the KGBO, but I did order a couple of wines.

As I said, the pickings were slim indeed and the prices only good in an Ontario context.
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Originally posted by Machine:
Anyone tasted the 2010 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Domaine de Terre Ferme Châteauneuf-du-Pape, if so is $53.75 a 'reasonable' price?


I saw this one as an online special as well. Was highly considering it. Seems like its on quite a discount. Close to or less than American prices at this point.
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Originally posted by SM74:
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Originally posted by Machine:
Anyone tasted the 2010 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Domaine de Terre Ferme Châteauneuf-du-Pape, if so is $53.75 a 'reasonable' price?


I saw this one as an online special as well. Was highly considering it. Seems like its on quite a discount. Close to or less than American prices at this point.


Looks interesting...but my experience with grenache is I either love it or hate it depending on the vintage and blend, and don't have enough experience to know either way. Might be nice to test one out though!
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Originally posted by Machine:
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Originally posted by SM74:
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Originally posted by Machine:
Anyone tasted the 2010 Paul Jaboulet Aîné Domaine de Terre Ferme Châteauneuf-du-Pape, if so is $53.75 a 'reasonable' price?


I saw this one as an online special as well. Was highly considering it. Seems like its on quite a discount. Close to or less than American prices at this point.


Looks interesting...but my experience with grenache is I either love it or hate it depending on the vintage and blend, and don't have enough experience to know either way. Might be nice to test one out though!

I haven't tried the Domaine de Terre Ferme, but I have enjoyed other wines from Jaboulet, so I bought one on that basis.
sigh....unless I happen to stumble across a sale at a London LCBO, the Sarnia store is PATHETIC and rarely has anything worth taking a second look at. They have a nice looking Vintages section stockpiled with 'Vintages Essentials', but their 'New Release' area is normally a wasteland, and the cabinet has a 2003 Leoville Las Cases for $359 give or take that's been standing there since 2005.

It's tough to be a wino in Sarnia!
I find the online inventory isn't accurate in terms of what product is available. You can go into an LCBO and find things, especially in the cold case, that aren't listed online. I've made it a habit of mine to go into LCBOs anytime I'm in a different area just to see what unaccounted for inventory they have.

I was in north Toronto at a small LCBO a few weeks back and I got three bottles of 2008 Pichon Baron (good vintage for an off-year). They were not listed in inventory, and didn't even scan at the register.

Last week I was at Summerhill and I came across a single bottle of 2009 Vieux Telegraphe. Again, not listed in online inventory.
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Originally posted by The Web:
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Originally posted by Wine Beagle:
These could be customer returns. E.g. got them as a gift ages ago, didn't know what to do with it and decided to return.


I thought they only accepted a return if it was active in their system.


And with a receipt and within 30 days of purchase?
A few months ago, I stumbled upon a couple of 1998 Banfi Poggio Alla Mura's and a 2004 Alla Mura at Summerhill. They were not able to scan the price, and had to look it up from a binder in the back. The PC said that they had come from the warehouse that day, so who knows what the KGBO has tucked away.

I tried one of the 98's and it showed very well.
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Originally posted by bman:
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Originally posted by The Web:
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Originally posted by Wine Beagle:
These could be customer returns. E.g. got them as a gift ages ago, didn't know what to do with it and decided to return.


I thought they only accepted a return if it was active in their system.


And with a receipt and within 30 days of purchase?


If it's outside 30 days and/or if you don't have a receipt, they'll give you a credit (gift card) - provided the product is still in the system. It doesn't have to be the same vintage. Just the same SKU number.

If the product is no longer in the system, or if they give you a hard time, just open the bottle and return it as "spoiled". Tell them it doesn't taste right. They have to take it back. (Although you're best doing this at one of the larger stores where they know the drill. At a smaller location, you'll likely get a clerk who has never handled something like this before, which can be, shall we say, problematic.)
Actually, Sunny, I had a very recent negative experience.
I returned a bottle of 2003 Balgownie Estate Shirez because it had a fault in there. The bottle was no longer active in their system.
I managed to find it on lcbosearch.com, and used the product ID for them to search in the vintages system. Lo and behold, the found the bottle, but the name spelt "Bagownie" - that's right, it was missing an "L".
Did I ever look like a criminal? I had the staff and the supervisor on duty telling me that it was "definitely" a different wine even though I proved to them that there's no "Bagownie Estate", and the picture on the BaLgownie website looks identical to the one I brought to them. Of course, they disregard the record that was correct on lcbosearch.com.
They insisted there's nothing they could do, because the spelling was incorrect. They sent me to a different store with a product consultant that could make the connection.
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Originally posted by Wine Beagle:
Actually, Sunny, I had a very recent negative experience.
I returned a bottle of 2003 Balgownie Estate Shirez because it had a fault in there. The bottle was no longer active in their system.
I managed to find it on lcbosearch.com, and used the product ID for them to search in the vintages system. Lo and behold, the found the bottle, but the name spelt "Bagownie" - that's right, it was missing an "L".
Did I ever look like a criminal? I had the staff and the supervisor on duty telling me that it was "definitely" a different wine even though I proved to them that there's no "Bagownie Estate", and the picture on the BaLgownie website looks identical to the one I brought to them. Of course, they disregard the record that was correct on lcbosearch.com.
They insisted there's nothing they could do, because the spelling was incorrect. They sent me to a different store with a product consultant that could make the connection.

This is priceless... a bottle called Bag-O-Winey? Winner It should have doubled the price of admission!
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Originally posted by mangiare:
$110 off of 2008 Guigal La Mouline, La Turque and La Landonne at Weston rd and 401
$405 down to $295

winebid has them for $200 + %15 + shipping + exchange + duty


Interesting. One winesearcher.com, the average global prices for all of them is CAD$280 or less. But anything under CAD$300 is of course a steal in Ontario!!
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Originally posted by AML:
Has anyone here had them? Not a huge fan of these wines in "off" vintages.


I tasted the lineup at FWR at the agent tasting. The consensus was that these wines defied the concept of off year. Which was best was a matter of personal style preference. However, take this with a grain of salt. I have not had these wines otherwise, so my benchmark is other Northern Rhone, which is limited. 1989 La Chapelle is a benchmark in that regard for me. I don't know how the 08 La La's compared to good vintages. Nobody was disappointed at the tasting of the 08s. Rather, we were all surprised at how good they were, how much depth, complexity, structure they had.
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Originally posted by mangiare:
$110 off of 2008 Guigal La Mouline, La Turque and La Landonne at Weston rd and 401
$405 down to $295

winebid has them for $200 + %15 + shipping + exchange + duty


I think this is the original price, before the KGBO recycled the SKU and increased the price to that of the '09. A bold strategy for sure.
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Originally posted by VinCentric:
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Originally posted by AML:
Has anyone here had them? Not a huge fan of these wines in "off" vintages.


I tasted the lineup at FWR at the agent tasting. The consensus was that these wines defied the concept of off year. Which was best was a matter of personal style preference. However, take this with a grain of salt. I have not had these wines otherwise, so my benchmark is other Northern Rhone, which is limited. 1989 La Chapelle is a benchmark in that regard for me. I don't know how the 08 La La's compared to good vintages. Nobody was disappointed at the tasting of the 08s. Rather, we were all surprised at how good they were, how much depth, complexity, structure they had.


I tasted at FWR, I haven't tried the La La's before, I can't really afford $295 and yet I was tempted to pick up a few, though given the vintage I'd rather have another taste before pulling the trigger. 2006 D'ampuis was also yum but I think at the time of our tasting the 2007 was already on the shelf at the LCBO. 2006 La Doriane was ok at first but was great after 2 hours. Didn't take notes, but liked all, and iirc I like La Landonne the most (but I'm not always a fan of any red blend with Viognier, despite really liking the D'ampuis).
The LCBO has decided to increase the number of products in the upcoming pre-Christmas releases, so I found a bunch of price reductions at the Laird St store as they try to clear some shelf space. Today I bought:

2004 Veuve A. Devaux Champagne D de Devaux Millesime $43 (was $65)
2009 Wind Gap Syrah Griffin's Lair Sonoma Coast $53 (was $69)
2009 Lemos & Van Zeller Casa de Casal de Loivos Tinto Douro $47 (was $61)
2008 Marziano Abbona Barolo Terlo Ravera $39 (was $50)

Lots of these still on the shelf. Two others that I did not buy were:

2009 Alion $66 (was $85)
2008 JC Cellars Eagle Point Ranch Petite Sirah $43 (was $55)
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Originally posted by Wine Beagle:
All,
I'll be returning 5 bottles of Faustino I at the Heartland store (Mississauga) tomorrow evening.
If you want them and are near the airport email me: madaroza at yahoo dot com.

Regards.


I thought it was decent value and has potential to improve. But it's really straight forward right now. If anyone is expecting a 100 point wine (or 98 or 96 or 94 or ...), they'll be disappointed.
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Originally posted by VinT:
If we'd elected Tim Whodat?© it would have been privatized by now. Razz


Like Mike Harris did? Or the new mayor of Toronto has promised? 2 Cents Wink

Tough for any of them to turn their backs on $1.3 billion of profits. Then again, if they did it right, they'd probably make even higher profits.....
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Originally posted by theweb:
sigh....unless I happen to stumble across a sale at a London LCBO, the Sarnia store is PATHETIC and rarely has anything worth taking a second look at. They have a nice looking Vintages section stockpiled with 'Vintages Essentials', but their 'New Release' area is normally a wasteland, and the cabinet has a 2003 Leoville Las Cases for $359 give or take that's been standing there since 2005.

It's tough to be a wino in Sarnia!


Well put. You'll have to come out for a dinner in T.O. soon.

On the up side, you're not far from our neighbours to the south.
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by winederlust:
Precisely. Which is why the government's approach to this issue has nothing whatsoever to do with maximizing tax revenue.

If not the desire to maximize 'tax' revenue, what in your opinion is driving the government's approach?


The desire not to upset/alienate a huge number of unionized employees....
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by winederlust:
Precisely. Which is why the government's approach to this issue has nothing whatsoever to do with maximizing tax revenue.

If not the desire to maximize 'tax' revenue, what in your opinion is driving the government's approach?


Social engineering is the only other reason I can think of. The ability to control the location of the stores.
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Originally posted by The Web:
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Originally posted by bman:
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Tough for any of them to turn their backs on $1.3 billion of profits. Then again, if they did it right, they'd probably make even higher profits.....


Does the LCBO publish their margins? And how would they compare to a similar sized retailer in the US?


They publish their financial statements and their margins are off the scale. I am no financial analyst but I did take a short course at Rotman Business School which studied the LCBO's financial statements compared to mostly major for-profit corporations and also Manitoba Lottery. No surprise that the latter and LCBO were the most profitable by far.
I think their approach is governed by the following considerations:

1 They are not prepared to alienate the very public sector unions which actively supported them in election.

2 They do not want to give up control over an activity. I think that it is very hard to convince government to get out of anything.

3 It gives them lots of influence in the marketplace - eg store locations, terms of trade.

4 Making the type of changes that are needed will not help them get re-elected.

5 The only real change that is even feasible is to provide greater access and better service - prices will not go down - so is this the type of benefit that is even worth the effort/bother.
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by The Web:
Social engineering is the only other reason I can think of. The ability to control the location of the stores.

Confused Social engineering? Can you expand on that please?


If there are communities or neighborhoods that are maybe a little "rougher" or prone to alcohol related problems, the LCBO might choose to open a smaller number of stores there than a private model would.

It's a stretch, to say the least, and I only came up with it because I believe they could make just as much money if they allowed private sales and taxed the crap out of it -- therefore, I don't believe money is a factor.

But - reading winederlust's post, many of his points are much more rational and valid than my social engineering idea.

Back on topic - I picked up a couple bottles of 2007 Adelaida Viking Estate Vineyard Cab Sauv at one of the Ottawa stores for about $42 -- list price was $59. I'm completely unfamiliar with the producer, so I just took a flyer on it based on price.
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Originally posted by VinT:
Ahh, got it. It does make sense, but it's interesting they do nothing to limit proliferation of other businesses that thrive in those neighborhoods like payday loan companies and pawn shops.


or running casinos, other forms of gaming (for those that can probably least afford it) or even selling cigarettes for that matter.

Why did I get myself started??
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Originally posted by The Web:

If there are communities or neighborhoods that are maybe a little "rougher" or prone to alcohol related problems, the LCBO might choose to open a smaller number of stores there than a private model would.

It's a stretch, to say the least, and I only came up with it because I believe they could make just as much money if they allowed private sales and taxed the crap out of it -- therefore, I don't believe money is a factor.
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Well, there's an LCBO store at the seedy strip mall right at the corner of Jane/Finch, which is arguably the "roughest" area of Toronto. To me this "social responsibility" mandate is a bunch of malarkey, an excuse to justify LCBO's existence.
It looks like they may be dumping some consignment wines at the Crossroads clearance center. I dropped in yesterday after driving my son up to Guelph U and bought:

6 x 2010 Justin Isosceles at $59
12 x 2012 Negro Roero Arneis Serra Lupini at $15

They also had:

2010 Orin Swift Papillon at $75
2007 Andrew Will Two Blondes at $57
2012 Macphail Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir at $33
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Originally posted by on the wine:
It looks like they may be dumping some consignment wines at the Crossroads clearance center. I dropped in yesterday after driving my son up to Guelph U and bought:

6 x 2010 Justin Isosceles at $59
12 x 2012 Negro Roero Arneis Serra Lupini at $15

They also had:

2010 Orin Swift Papillon at $75
2007 Andrew Will Two Blondes at $57
2012 Macphail Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir at $33


What store is this?
Thanks as always OTW, your contributions to this thread are fantastic.

I got some Negro Roero Arneis Serra Lupini at the Dundas W and Jane store (cleaned them out actually) - it's a system wide markdown. While I was there they had Tawse riesling icewine 204990 on sale from $35 to $28. This is a store level markdown. They have 2 bottles of 2009 and 4 bottles of 2013 on hand.
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Originally posted by Riddler:
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Originally posted by on the wine:
It looks like they may be dumping some consignment wines at the Crossroads clearance center. I dropped in yesterday after driving my son up to Guelph U and bought:

6 x 2010 Justin Isosceles at $59
12 x 2012 Negro Roero Arneis Serra Lupini at $15

They also had:

2010 Orin Swift Papillon at $75
2007 Andrew Will Two Blondes at $57
2012 Macphail Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir at $33


What store is this?


Just make sure you have your gun when you go there. And don't go after dark.
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
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Originally posted by Machine:


Just make sure you have your gun when you go there. And don't go after dark.


whoa... i just bought a house up near there.... it's not that bad... wait a sec.

you're warning them about me again aren't you?

Most nights they have 2 cops stationed in the store. And once I saw a group of 6 cops standing around inside he store. They must have had an important scotch delivery that day.

So if your house is real close to the store... or maybe it should be inside the store...

That said, they do have one of the larger Vintages sections in the KGBO system which speaks directly to the kind of consumer base they must be serving.
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Originally posted by The Web:

Back on topic - I picked up a couple bottles of 2007 Adelaida Viking Estate Vineyard Cab Sauv at one of the Ottawa stores for about $42 -- list price was $59. I'm completely unfamiliar with the producer, so I just took a flyer on it based on price.


I cracked this open last night and quite enjoyed. Fairly big wine without being too extracty. Nice tannins. Don't think I'd pay $59 for it, but at $42 it was a good buy.

Question for those in the know on the LCBO -- is there likely to be a big sale in Jan or Feb? Seem to remember in other years that's what they've done.
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Originally posted by The Web:
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Originally posted by The Web:

Back on topic - I picked up a couple bottles of 2007 Adelaida Viking Estate Vineyard Cab Sauv at one of the Ottawa stores for about $42 -- list price was $59. I'm completely unfamiliar with the producer, so I just took a flyer on it based on price.


I cracked this open last night and quite enjoyed. Fairly big wine without being too extracty. Nice tannins. Don't think I'd pay $59 for it, but at $42 it was a good buy.

Question for those in the know on the LCBO -- is there likely to be a big sale in Jan or Feb? Seem to remember in other years that's what they've done.


I believe there is one on now. I saw something about it in the latest LCBO e-mail.
The Crossroads location (Weston/401) will be the dumping ground for a ton of clearance/bin end product over the next weeks/months. I was told upwards of 7,000 cases. The first wave arrived yesterday and so far the sale is underwhelming.

A dozen or so cases of each of the following:

2009 Quinta do Portal Peccatore Red Douro # 361980 @ $7.95
2013 Las Moras Reserve Chardonnay # 270025 @ $6.45
2011 VIP Pinot Grigio # 272351 @ $6.45
The Beachhouse Red Shiraz/Mourvedre/Viognier # 223453 @ $6.95
2013 Los Arboles Malbec # 66696 @ $6.95
2013 Domaine de Pellehaut Blanc # 319665 @ $9.95
2013 Luigi Bosca Finca la Linda Syrah # 223651 @ $6.95

There was more, but it was too depressing to catalog.

Apparently more, and different, product will hit the floor on a daily basis as space is cleared out. Some product will be single cases and some will be full skids. As far as I know, there's no way to search for the clearance items on the website, and the store staff are unwilling/unable to provide a list of what's coming, let alone what's already on the floor.

If anyone is at Crossroads and sees anything of interest, please post your findings.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
The Crossroads location (Weston/401) will be the dumping ground for a ton of clearance/bin end product over the next weeks/months. I was told upwards of 7,000 cases. The first wave arrived yesterday and so far the sale is underwhelming.

A dozen or so cases of each of the following:

2009 Quinta do Portal Peccatore Red Douro # 361980 @ $7.95
2013 Las Moras Reserve Chardonnay # 270025 @ $6.45
2011 VIP Pinot Grigio # 272351 @ $6.45
The Beachhouse Red Shiraz/Mourvedre/Viognier # 223453 @ $6.95
2013 Los Arboles Malbec # 66696 @ $6.95
2013 Domaine de Pellehaut Blanc # 319665 @ $9.95
2013 Luigi Bosca Finca la Linda Syrah # 223651 @ $6.95

There was more, but it was too depressing to catalog.

Apparently more, and different, product will hit the floor on a daily basis as space is cleared out. Some product will be single cases and some will be full skids. As far as I know, there's no way to search for the clearance items on the website, and the store staff are unwilling/unable to provide a list of what's coming, let alone what's already on the floor.

If anyone is at Crossroads and sees anything of interest, please post your findings.

Last week, they have the 2012 Capiaux Chimera Pinot Noir at $27, which is a very good price.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
The Crossroads location (Weston/401) will be the dumping ground for a ton of clearance/bin end product over the next weeks/months. I was told upwards of 7,000 cases. The first wave arrived yesterday and so far the sale is underwhelming.

A dozen or so cases of each of the following:

2009 Quinta do Portal Peccatore Red Douro # 361980 @ $7.95
2013 Las Moras Reserve Chardonnay # 270025 @ $6.45
2011 VIP Pinot Grigio # 272351 @ $6.45
The Beachhouse Red Shiraz/Mourvedre/Viognier # 223453 @ $6.95
2013 Los Arboles Malbec # 66696 @ $6.95
2013 Domaine de Pellehaut Blanc # 319665 @ $9.95
2013 Luigi Bosca Finca la Linda Syrah # 223651 @ $6.95

There was more, but it was too depressing to catalog.

Apparently more, and different, product will hit the floor on a daily basis as space is cleared out. Some product will be single cases and some will be full skids. As far as I know, there's no way to search for the clearance items on the website, and the store staff are unwilling/unable to provide a list of what's coming, let alone what's already on the floor.

If anyone is at Crossroads and sees anything of interest, please post your findings.


Thanks for the report, A. I was there last week and also found it quite uninspiring.
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Originally posted by on the wine:
I stopped in at Crossroads on my way back from Guelph tonight and have never seen a worse load of CRAP in all my life. That stuff should be headed to the landfill rather than the clearance center!

Is this the kind of stuff that Kathleen Wynne puts on her table? No wonder she looks so sour.

Big Grin I think there may be other reasons.

My favourite part is the banners trumpeting CLEARANCE! Up to 50% off! because they have $12 wines marked down to $6.
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by on the wine:
I stopped in at Crossroads on my way back from Guelph tonight and have never seen a worse load of CRAP in all my life. That stuff should be headed to the landfill rather than the clearance center!

Is this the kind of stuff that Kathleen Wynne puts on her table? No wonder she looks so sour.

Big Grin I think there may be other reasons.

My favourite part is the banners trumpeting CLEARANCE! Up to 50% off! because they have $12 wines marked down to $6.

I think they are $6 (or less) wines that were severely overpriced at $12. If they were really $12 wines, there wouldn't be so many skids of unsold wine to clear.

But even at $6 they aren't flying out the door.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
2010 Fontanafredda Barolo is marked down by 10% from $30 to $27.

I exchanged 3 bottles of the Quercheccio Rosso di Montalcino for 2 bottles of the Barolo. Almost a straight exchange. That doesn't count as breaking the moratorium, does it?

Don't answer that.


Moratorium? What moratorium??? My Brovia Barolo purchases don't count either then Big Grin

Might pick up a couple of the 2010 Fontanafredda. Should be interesting as the last time I had it was in the mid 1990s. It seems hard to go wrong with 2010 Barolo.

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