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B brucehayesMember
quote:
Originally posted by vijay:
2010 Bosquet des Papes Châteauneuf-du-Pape Chante Le Merle Vieilles Vignes
on VSO this morning @ $66 per. Looks like they missed the 99 RP issued last month. This is now >$ 100 per on winesearcher (K&L).


Love the community spirit on these boards. Thanks for the tip. I just picked up three bottles. I am happy (even though my wife won't be).
D darcyMember
Dear point whoring friends (probably half this thread!), Big Grin

Have you tasted the Bosquet des Papes Chante Le Merle Vieilles Vignes CdP in past vintages similar to 2010 -- like '04, '05, '06 or '08? I don't think I have, so am interested in your thoughts on structure, profile and alcohol perceptibility (it's probably 15% like every other one).
V vijayMember
Hi Darcy, I was also worried about the RP comment on 15% abv but I noted in the actual LCBO listing for this product that they have it at 14%. LCBO does a lot of things poorly but if they do anything right it is fully testing product and reporting abv as per their tests. I'm not suggesting that this practice continue, but in this case it is useful to clarify what the real abv is for this product.

https://www.vintagesshoponline...?lang=en&item=734244
D darcyMember
quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Hayes:
quote:
Originally posted by vijay:
2010 Bosquet des Papes Châteauneuf-du-Pape Chante Le Merle Vieilles Vignes
on VSO this morning @ $66 per. Looks like they missed the 99 RP issued last month. This is now >$ 100 per on winesearcher (K&L).


Love the community spirit on these boards. Thanks for the tip. I just picked up three bottles. I am happy (even though my wife won't be).

Vijay can sniff a bargain between the scratches on a penny.

If he ever leaves his current employer, expect him to show up on Auction Kings or the Shopping Channel. Banana
D darcyMember
Who is gonna "take one for the team" and crack a bottle? I ordered some but don't let me stop anyone. Big Grin

I have a hard time believing any CdP is under 14.5% abv these days. I was in QQ last night, looking at all the CdPs they have, and most of the '08s (not as ripe as '07s or '09s) were in the 15-15.5% abv range. Given that, and specifically here the high percentage of Grenache in the assemblage, I have a hard time believing the Bosquet des Papes VV will be under 15%.

So, again, who is cracking the first bottle? Wink
A amlMember
quote:
Originally posted by vijay:
Not sure why you think they usually get the abv wrong, this is something they test every shipment. At any rate, we'll have to see what's labeled on the product when it is received.

PS:
http://forums.winespectator.co...6091161/m/1517005632


Maybe because I have gone to a store looking for a specific bottle I found online, only to get there and see the ABV on the bottle does not match what was posted online?! This has happened on several occasions. I understand they test it, but they sure as hell don't make the correct information available online.
A amlMember
quote:
Originally posted by mangiare:
quote:
Originally posted by AML:
I haven't cracked...yet.


I'm not even a huge fan of CDP (yet) but I'm sooooo weak.


I've seen you posting that you've popped some very nice bottles, which are arguably some of the best examples of CdP. If you didn't like those, maybe it's not your cup of tea...
D doktapMember
quote:
must...not...buy...99 point...wine...

Well said captain Kirk, but logic would dictate that the value is well represented and the possibility of further improvemnet exist. Jim, it is your choice, and as your friend, it would be my suggestion that you yield to the masses and succumb to the fruit of the vine. Your friend.

Spock
D davecanadaMember
quote:
Originally posted by DoktaP:
quote:
must...not...buy...99 point...wine...

Well said captain Kirk, but logic would dictate that the value is well represented and the possibility of further improvemnet exist. Jim, it is your choice, and as your friend, it would be my suggestion that you yield to the masses and succumb to the fruit of the vine. Your friend.

Spock


honestly, not even remotely interested....if the CNDP aint Rayas, I aint buying it.
vintvintMember
quote:
Originally posted by DoktaP:
quote:
must...not...buy...99 point...wine...

Well said captain Kirk, but logic would dictate that the value is well represented and the possibility of further improvemnet exist. Jim, it is your choice, and as your friend, it would be my suggestion that you yield to the masses and succumb to the fruit of the vine. Your friend.

Spock


Dammit, Jim! I'm a doctor, not an ATM for those bureaucrats at the LCBO!!

You're right Bones. Steady as she goes, Mr. Sulu! We're not buying anything today!
mangiaremangiareMember
quote:
Originally posted by AML:
quote:
Originally posted by mangiare:
quote:
Originally posted by AML:
I haven't cracked...yet.


I'm not even a huge fan of CDP (yet) but I'm sooooo weak.


I've seen you posting that you've popped some very nice bottles, which are arguably some of the best examples of CdP. If you didn't like those, maybe it's not your cup of tea...


Maybe you're right. Just too many palates I respect that seem to enjoy the stuff leading me to believe my epiphany is forthcoming.
M matthewvMember
I ordered 2 – sign me up as a point whore! Here’s how I justify it. 2010 was a great vintage for the Rhone and $66 for a potential two-decade cellar dweller is fine with me. Also, when a renowned wine critic like Parker who tastes thousands of wines year in and year out decides to change his original point range from 94-96 to a near perfect score of 99… then I’ll take a chance on two bottles having not tasted it.

In my experience, I tend to agree more with Parker’s scores in C9dP more-so than in the other Rhone regions (Gigondas, Vacqueyras etc…) as they are usually scored far too high!

What I do find interesting is that Parker seems to be increasing his scores for the 2010 C9dP vintage…

Domaine Bosquet des Papes Chante le Merle Vieilles Vignes – 94-96 now a 99
Vieux Donjon – 93-95 now a 96
Beaucastel – 92-94+ now a 95
Clos des Papes – 96-98 now a 99
Etc…

Maybe he was battling a head cold in 2011??
D darcyMember
If Parker is raising his scores on 2010 then 2009 will have to be re-baselined on a 105 point scale. Wasn't that a "best ever" vintage for him?

Scores aside (pretty well only Tanzer and Jancis resonate with me, and their scores venture less often in the 95+ or 18/20+ ranges), the current CdPs are constructed so differently than the '94s, '01s or even '05s I remember tasting on release (I am that much of an old(er) fart, and have gone back to tastings notes). The lack of structure in many CdPs, plus the wide-spread cough syrup sweetness and noticeable alcohol (15.5-17%) all turn me totally off.

I suppose the only positive is that a decade from now, when many of us crack the first bottles of the 2010s we purchased, should the wines taste unbalanced and not reflect the terroir of CdP, the scores will help bolster the secondary market i.e. Vintages auctions and we can flip them.

Interesting thoughts, but I digress...
V vijayMember
quote:
Originally posted by Robo Porker:
I have yet to taste any 2010s but in a hot and ripe vintage, I tend to stick to the traditional style of CDP made by some domaines.
Well done, Mimik.
How hot was it really (relatively speaking)? The few reports I've read was that it wasn't as hot as 2009 but no sense in comparing vs a hot vintage to begin with.
The total amount of days during which temperatures were over 10 °C before 30 June is a good indicator of early or late vine growth. This total was 629 °C in 2010, compared with 831 °C in 2003 and 785 °C in 2007.
Source:
http://www.jancisrobinson.com/...cles/a201103211.html
mimikmimikMember
quote:
Originally posted by DoktaP:
Hey Robo. Time to get your anonymous butt to Toronto. Basecadet and I want to see your smiling face.


On my way in the very near future(Jan-Feb 2012)!

I'm Robo Porker. Give me 16% alcohol and over ripe grapes, I'll give you 99 points!!

(credit to Basecadet, he came up with the name Wink )
mimikmimikMember
quote:
Originally posted by vijay:
quote:
Originally posted by Robo Porker:
I have yet to taste any 2010s but in a hot and ripe vintage, I tend to stick to the traditional style of CDP made by some domaines.
Well done, Mimik.
How hot was it really (relatively speaking)? The few reports I've read was that it wasn't as hot as 2009 but no sense in comparing vs a hot vintage to begin with.
The total amount of days during which temperatures were over 10 °C before 30 June is a good indicator of early or late vine growth. This total was 629 °C in 2010, compared with 831 °C in 2003 and 785 °C in 2007.
Source:
http://www.jancisrobinson.com/...cles/a201103211.html


True but rainfall was the lowest for the summer months since 1871. I don't think it is as hot as other recent years(ie 2003) but lack of precipitation also affects ripeness levels.
robsutherlandrobsutherlandMember
quote:
Originally posted by Robo Porker:
quote:
Originally posted by DoktaP:
Hey Robo. Time to get your anonymous butt to Toronto. Basecadet and I want to see your smiling face.


On my way in the very near future(Jan-Feb 2012)!



Cool. I know that will be the basis of another great offline.

Maybe a Rhone offline doing "the whole beast" (boar) at Beast? Just throwing it out there... Wink
V vincentricMember
quote:
Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
quote:
Originally posted by Robo Porker:
quote:
Originally posted by DoktaP:
Hey Robo. Time to get your anonymous butt to Toronto. Basecadet and I want to see your smiling face.


On my way in the very near future(Jan-Feb 2012)!



Cool. I know that will be the basis of another great offline.

Maybe a Rhone offline doing "the whole beast" (boar) at Beast? Just throwing it out there... Wink


+1 on a Rhone offline at Beast w Robo. I'll skip the boar (tasty but bad for me).
F fowler52Member
quote:
Originally posted by vijay:
2010 Bosquet des Papes Châteauneuf-du-Pape Chante Le Merle Vieilles Vignes
on VSO this morning @ $66 per. Looks like they missed the 99 RP issued last month. This is now >$ 100 per on winesearcher (K&L).


Attention Point Whores... 4 bottles at Oakville store (Whole Foods Plaza) Cornwall.

Chalk me up as one Banana
bmanbmanMember
quote:
Originally posted by Fowler52:
quote:
Originally posted by vijay:
2010 Bosquet des Papes Châteauneuf-du-Pape Chante Le Merle Vieilles Vignes
on VSO this morning @ $66 per. Looks like they missed the 99 RP issued last month. This is now >$ 100 per on winesearcher (K&L).


Attention Point Whores... 4 bottles at Oakville store (Whole Foods Plaza) Cornwall.

Chalk me up as one Banana


I got the last one Wednesday......
F funkyseefunkydooMember
quote:
Originally posted by VinT:
Tried the Ash Hollow last night. Great northern Rhone-ish nose of iodine, black olives and game meat. But the Rhone comparison ends there, IMO, as I found the Ash Hollow heavier and more viscous than most N. Rhones I've tried. All in all though, great QPR at $28. I will let the other bottles I have sleep for a few years as I'd like to see how this might develop.


Just picked up a bottle of the Ash Hollow at one of the Kanata LCBO's that was further reduced to $22. Thanks for the tip on this one!
V vincentricMember
quote:
Originally posted by Wine Canuck:
If any point whores missed out of the last CdP 2010 offers another one just came up on VSO; Domaine de La Charbonnière Les Hautes Brusquières Cuvée Spéciale Châteauneuf-du-Pape

RP 96, $56


Yeah, I just saw this, BUT, is this going to be another monster fruit bomb in the style that Parker (but not some of the rest of us) likes so much?
V vincentricMember
Fine Watch Clearance Sale: This is off-topic, but I thought the TWC guys who are into watches might see this here.

An old friend of mine owned the Watchcraft store on Bloor near Bay. He has re-opened temporarily (until Valentines) to clear out his remaining stock at 1300 Bay near Scollard. I am sure there are some very good finds and there.

Those who are into watches are probably more familiar than me, but he always had an excellent selection of fine watches when I dropped in to visit at the store.

Cheers,

VinC
V vincentricMember
quote:
Originally posted by Wine Canuck:
quote:
Originally posted by VinCentric:
Yeah, I just saw this, BUT, is this going to be another monster fruit bomb in the style that Parker (but not some of the rest of us) likes so much?


Probably, being 15% alcohol. I'm passing. Donjon was 14% and Bosquet des Papes was reported between 13.5% - 14.5%.


Thanks! I kind of figured that, but appreciate the feeback from those with more CdP experience. I think I lean more towards the traditional styles. The search for older bottles continues.... Cheers,
C csmMember
quote:
Originally posted by VinCentric:
quote:
Originally posted by Wine Canuck:
quote:
Originally posted by VinCentric:
Yeah, I just saw this, BUT, is this going to be another monster fruit bomb in the style that Parker (but not some of the rest of us) likes so much?


Probably, being 15% alcohol. I'm passing. Donjon was 14% and Bosquet des Papes was reported between 13.5% - 14.5%.


Thanks! I kind of figured that, but appreciate the feeback from those with more CdP experience. I think I lean more towards the traditional styles. The search for older bottles continues.... Cheers,


Charbonniere definitely is more of a traditional producer (love the vielles vignes), so I wouldn't expect a fruit bomb here, though RMP's TN, describing a massive concentration of fruit does give me pause.
vintvintMember
There's a lot of buzz (no pun intended) on another thread about Westvleteren beer and how rare it is in the US. The Bayview Village LCBO Store has 53 of WESTVLETEREN 2012 GIFT PACKS at $77 each. No mention of what comes in the 6-pack.

Anybody had this? Could it possibly be worth it? Should we back up the truck?

Update - Never mind. They sold out this morning.
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vinoevelovinoeveloMember
quote:
Originally posted by futronic:
If you read this story in The Star, it lists other outlets that will have the wine. I'd suggest calling the store to determine when the beer will be released and get in line well before the store opens.


saw the line forming before the liberty village store opened today, pulled over, and jumped in just before 9am. got in about 4 minutes later - all gone.

the worst part is all the smug pri**s standing around outside with their boxes celebrating.

then i realized i almost paid $80 for 6-pack of beer. I'm blaming it on the dayquil.
V vincentricMember
quote:
Originally posted by Wine Canuck:
Has anyone noticed that Chateau Pipeau 2010 has already been on store shelves for a few weeks now? It's now a vintages essential. Seems strange to me that a reputable 2010 is already out, but I guess with an early drinking wine like that they push it down the pipeline quickly.


Moderately priced Parkeresque fruit bomb with not much structure, but lots of quantity - why not shove it through the pipeline. It has an interesting label.
V vincentricMember
quote:
Originally posted by Rob_Sutherland:
The lcbo is selling mags of 1982 Dom Pérignon Oenotheque Rose for the wicked price of $6,763.95 a bottle. Available from Wine Consignors for $1,480 a bottle and a place in Europe for $2,800. $5,300 over priced may be a new record...


Did you see the prices for the D'Yquem library offering, following the vertical dinner? Pricing strategy on the 82 Dom seems similar. Crazy
B brucehayesMember
quote:
Originally posted by vinoevelo:
i've had a few since release and each time i have they've got increasingly closed. Not to deter you to try, but at least give it a good decant. I'm getting more, but not going to touch them for a few years before trying again.


Thanks for the advice. So, are you thinking another three to five years?
otwotwMember
I opened a bottle of the 07 Vajra Albe a couple of weeks ago and found the fruit was dull and fading. Not sure if it was closing down or just a corked bottle. I'm wondering if it's the former because of vinoevelo's experience above and a couple of other comments in a similar vein on Cellartracker.

It would be good to know if it is shutting down because I just bought some more at the new improved price.
D dzittMember
quote:
Originally posted by on the wine:
I opened a bottle of the 07 Vajra Albe a couple of weeks ago and found the fruit was dull and fading. Not sure if it was closing down or just a corked bottle. I'm wondering if it's the former because of vinoevelo's experience above and a couple of other comments in a similar vein on Cellartracker.

It would be good to know if it is shutting down because I just bought some more at the new improved price.


Haven't tried this 2007, but the 2005 I had was pretty good !
V vincentricMember
quote:
Originally posted by on the wine:
I opened a bottle of the 07 Vajra Albe a couple of weeks ago and found the fruit was dull and fading. Not sure if it was closing down or just a corked bottle. I'm wondering if it's the former because of vinoevelo's experience above and a couple of other comments in a similar vein on Cellartracker.

It would be good to know if it is shutting down because I just bought some more at the new improved price.


I opened a bottle last night and gave it a 1 3/4 hr decant. It was comparable to 2005 Barolo I've had at the same age, from the same price range ($30-$45). Yes, muted compared to more expensive Barolo. Maybe it's just young and needs some time, but it was quite good with the significant decanter time (drank over the following 2.5 hrs). It showed dark red fruits, violets, and was well balanced with dusty, grippy tannins and good acidity. Very good now with 2hr decant, better in 2-7 years imo. Excellent QPR at the reduced price - Thanks again Vijay, and OTW.
D darcyMember
My experience with the 2005 was that it really benefitted from a slow ox. I tend to give both the '05 & '07 a good 1-2 hrs standing upright in bottle, and then another 1-2 hrs in decanter. I've also slow ox'd it in the fridge -- in a Grolsch swing top bottle with about half a cm of air space. Come back to it in 2-4 weeks and you'll get great aromatics and very approachable fruit.
D davecanadaMember
quote:
Originally posted by Darcy:
My experience with the 2005 was that it really benefitted from a slow ox. I tend to give both the '05 & '07 a good 1-2 hrs standing upright in bottle, and then another 1-2 hrs in decanter. I've also slow ox'd it in the fridge -- in a Grolsch swing top bottle with about half a cm of air space. Come back to it in 2-4 weeks and you'll get great aromatics and very approachable fruit.


Very interesting...I had about 2 cases of the 2005 and always found it be a pop and pour. That being said, I have never been a proponent of decanting barolo (some obvious exceptions, but only the really big boys). Nebbiolo is prone to oxidation so for me....its pop and pour.
I loved the 2005 and also the 2007....just great wine.
B brucehayesMember
quote:
Originally posted by Bruce Hayes:
"Finally" got the three bottles of 2010 Bosquet des Papes Châteauneuf-du-Pape Chante Le Merle Vieilles Vignes I ordered in November from VSO.

Opened the box and discovered three bottles of the 2009 and not the 2010. Sigh.


Just got off the phone with Vintages and, you guessed it, my options are to keep the wine or return it and get my money back. To make matters worse, they insisted that the vintage I ordered from VSO was the 2009 and not the 2010 and that if the VSO site stated it was the 2010, then that was a mistake.

Sooo, am I crazy or did others order and receive the 2010 vintage??? Mad
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