All recent markdowns...

5 x 2007 Bibi Graetz Grilli del Testamatta ($26)
2 x 2007 Chante Cigale CdP ($31)
2 x 2000 Dow's VP (375ml) ($37)
Muga Rioja Reserva is $4 off (down from $24) this week. I believe they are currently on the 2007 vintage. This might not be a great vintage for Rioja but given that this was the only wine to be made by Muga in 2007 it stands to reason that there is some excellent fruit that was diverted into their base blend. IWC gave it a 91.
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Originally posted by vijay:
Muga Rioja Reserva is $4 off (down from $24) this week. I believe they are currently on the 2007 vintage. This might not be a great vintage for Rioja but given that this was the only wine to be made by Muga in 2007 it stands to reason that there is some excellent fruit that was diverted into their base blend. IWC gave it a 91.


I too was eyeing that up but most reviewers I follow indicated the 2007 is a significant downgrade over the 2006.
I don't buy Muga anymore. After a few blind Rioja tastings, Muga entries (with others at the same price points, across Crianza through Gran Reserva) were consistently last (or lowest quartile) across selections. I find the Muga wines less fruit and terroir complex (than, say, Lan) and overly oaked as compared with other Rioja. At the same time, on a pure price basis, at $20, it's still decent QPR.
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Originally posted by Darcy Kelley:
I find the Lan wines less fruit and terroir complex (than, say, Lan) and overly oaked as compared with other Rioja.


I guess it could happen if you blind tasted by pouring 2 glasses of, say, Lan? Big Grin
I had some Lan while in the Dominican Republic, and with a little time in the decanter, it was reasonable QPR. I bought 2 Mags of the Lan Reserva for $37.95. Decent price for a decent wine.
OK, so there's one bottle left (because I took 2!) so act quickly!... but was perusing the Bayview store for any surprises and found something. In their temperature controlled units is a 2001 Jean Raphet Clos Vougeot Grand Cru for $111 (this is a store-specific sale). You won't find many 10+ years old Clos Vougeot Grand Crus for this price.

This was a Sept 2008 Classics release for $175 that went on bin sale for $139. Tasting notes from WS board members HERE.
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Stevey, you don't mean Gerard Raphet, do you? Gerard's Clos Vougeots are wonderful.


Other's can verify but Gerard is Jean's son I believe. Back in 2001, it was Jean's winery before Gerard later took over and changed to his name.
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Originally posted by Stevey:
OK, so there's one bottle left (because I took 2!) so act quickly!... but was perusing the Bayview store for any surprises and found something. In their temperature controlled units is a 2001 Jean Raphet Clos Vougeot Grand Cru for $111 (this is a store-specific sale). You won't find many 10+ years old Clos Vougeot Grand Crus for this price.

This was a Sept 2008 Classics release for $175 that went on bin sale for $139. Tasting notes from WS board members HERE.


I had this wine a few months back. Bought 2, drank one, returned the other. Either I had a bad bottle, or this wine was not very good. The experience rated about 88 points for me, which is not usually the goal when I'm spending $111. Huge disappointment. Hopefully yours shows better than mine did.
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Originally posted by Stevey:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Stevey, you don't mean Gerard Raphet, do you? Gerard's Clos Vougeots are wonderful.


Other's can verify but Gerard is Jean's son I believe. Back in 2001, it was Jean's winery before Gerard later took over and changed to his name.


I didn't know that. Gerard's no youngster and we had a great visit with him this past August. It's probably the best winery visit we've ever had in Burgundy. Virtually everything we tasted was wonderful.

I've found a number of Burgundy wineries where the son has taken over the winemaking from the father, but in the others, the winery name didn't change.
Board-O, did a quick search and found THIS excerpt from Parker's book that verifies it. Agree that it's unique situation that the son would change to his name.

aml, I popped one of the bottles of the Clos Vougeot and thought it was quite good, especially after some time and with decanting. It's still "young" for Burgundy so will store away the other bottle. To each his own.
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Originally posted by Stevey:
aml, I popped one of the bottles of the Clos Vougeot and thought it was quite good, especially after some time and with decanting. It's still "young" for Burgundy so will store away the other bottle. To each his own.


I guess my bottle was off then. I popped and poured a few small glasses and was disappointed. I let the rest essentially slow ox in the bottle for about 3 hours and I did not notice much improvement. My bottle did not seem young, as it was quite tertiary and the acidity was way out of balance, even for Burgundy.
The 2007 Renato Ratti Conca in the March 3 ISD was listed at $77 but is actually $70 at checkout.
There was a VSO release today. The email went out at 10:00 and about half is showing QTY:0, did it all really sell that fast? What were the starting inventories?
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Originally posted by VinToronto:
FWIW, HAWKES CABERNET SAUVIGNON 2004 is $29.95, down from its original $31.95 back in December 2009. Oddly, it seems to be selling in the US for about $40. The Can/US price differential caught my eye - not often seen on LCBO shelves.


Saw this on the shelf at one of the satellite stores and recalled your posting. Definitely needs air; dranked over 2 days and was clearly better on day 2 - dense blackcurrent with hard but well integrated tannins, as good as other California cabs at twice it's price at least. Good structure and weight, this can be stored for another 5 years easy.

Excellent for $40 nevermind $30 at LCBO. Went back and cleaned the store of its remaining bottles. Thanks for the tip VinToronto!


Oddly, Hawkes Cab is back on the shelves. Oddly because the price has gone up ($30 to $40) and the vintage has gone down (2004 to 2003). I doubt it's worth $40 but I got one to test drive.
Trolling one of my local stores recently, I saw markdowns on '07 Stolpman Hillside Sryrah (down to $40 from an original release price of $64), and '05 Yacochuya, (reduced to $40 from $49.95), among other wines.

As indicated by others, you can periodically find unofficial markdowns ( i.e. not listed on the website) where a specific store is trying to unload stock from old releases.
Beta, if you're going to report a price alert of item(s) from a specific store, it would help if you name the store.
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Originally posted by Stevey:
Beta, if you're going to report a price alert of item(s) from a specific store, it would help if you name the store.


Point taken Stevey. Woodview store in Burlington, Thursday. I bought a few. There was one of the Yakochuya left, and a handful of the Stolpman. However, I have seen similar markdowns elsewhere in Burlington, Oakville, and Hamilton, so the situation is not unique to that store. These were released months ago and I would expect markdowns in any store with remaining quantity.
Ugly price alert:
I was wondering when the 2009 vintage ports would start rolling through, and there are some in today's VSO all in the $130 range. Wasn't 2007 Dow and Warre for $90? Checking wine searcher these bottles seem to be going for $90 in the US. #wtflcbo
The Weston Rd LCBO Clearance section has 2008 Andrew Will Ciel du Cheval and Two Blondes both priced at $53.75. (May Classics has the 2007 Ciel du Cheval at $75.)
DOMAINE MACHARD DE GRAMONT POMMARD CLOS BLANC 1ER CRU 2008

Originally $43, now $36. No one is going to mistake this for DRC anytime soon, but for me, this is a good price for a solid 1er cru Pommard.
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Originally posted by vijay:
Ugly price alert:
I was wondering when the 2009 vintage ports would start rolling through, and there are some in today's VSO all in the $130 range. Wasn't 2007 Dow and Warre for $90? Checking wine searcher these bottles seem to be going for $90 in the US. #wtflcbo

Interesting that LCBO is charging so much for Port in this market. I had a Port discussion with the SAQ not so long ago and they were remarking how the Port market has been in a steady decline for some years now. It's quite predictably cyclical, in fact, according to them.

Why should the LCBO be shoring up pricing if the market overall is in decline?
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Originally posted by KSC02:

the Port market has been in a steady decline for some years now.


Interesting. An importer friend of mine just happened to be on our flight to Italy. He told me Port is completely dead for his business.

I'm not a Port guy. Was there a bubble with Port, and the market has just returned to where it was?
No bubble, w+a. According to the person I spoke with (who is in a position to know in detail), Port is quite cyclic. Through the years it developed a pretty consistant pattern. Since 2000, the market has slowly, steadily, declined. SAQ is fully confident it will cycle back, but not in the near term. In fact, this pertains to many of the sweet wines in general. I believe you'll find similar with Sauternes and other 'stickies'. Even, dare I say, the Reisling family of wines in a similar, albeit lesser, degree. But the trend is there.

I had an email from HDH a few days back. Of many items they were offering, one was '77 Taylor. A great Port from a great vintage. $130. Just a few years ago, if you could find under $155 you thought you'd found a screaming deal.

This should be sweet music to the ears of g-man and bman Smile
A 12 year ( and counting) downturn, wow.

I'm wondering if there may be more to it. Of all the major Port people I know, most are over 60, and I know very few Port buyers/lovers under 35. The under 35 crowd I see at work and at trade tastings are major wine buys, but not Port.

I wonder if the U.K. still consumes a lot of Port?

I have been to six European countries in the last 18 months. I have noticed a lot less young people drinking wine in general than I did 10, 15 or 25 years ago.

I know shops here in Dallas had major Port inventory 10 - 25 years ago. Now it is hard to even find a shop that has serious inventories.

Got me...
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Originally posted by KSC02:
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Originally posted by vijay:
Ugly price alert:
I was wondering when the 2009 vintage ports would start rolling through, and there are some in today's VSO all in the $130 range. Wasn't 2007 Dow and Warre for $90? Checking wine searcher these bottles seem to be going for $90 in the US. #wtflcbo

Interesting that LCBO is charging so much for Port in this market. I had a Port discussion with the SAQ not so long ago and they were remarking how the Port market has been in a steady decline for some years now. It's quite predictably cyclical, in fact, according to them.

Why should the LCBO be shoring up pricing if the market overall is in decline?


The lcbo's mission is to make money for the provincial government, not to provide competitive service or pricing. http://www.thestar.com/news/ca...gambling-for-funding

It is nothing new that the Ontario government is using the LCBO as a cash cow. The only thing that seems to have changed is in degree. As actual government services continue to take cuts, McGuilty pushes for more money from the LCBO. The only comfort seems to be that, as some have pointed out here, pricing on some Italians and high demand are priced ok vis U.S. pricing. However - I recently picked up 2007 Renato Ratti Barolo Conca for $35 USD ($70 LCBO) and 2008 Saffredi for $45 USD (2007 is $100 at LCBO), 2006 Saffredi was $109 at LCBO, $60 at TCWC.
Some markdowns at the Laird St Vintages...

2008 Frescobaldi Lamaione $63.95 - 15.95 = $47.80
2008 Ch D'Aiguilhe $39.00 - 9.70 = $29.30

1999 Les Ormes de Pez $65.00 - 16.20 = $48.80
2007 Les ormes de Pez $44.00 - 10.95 = $33.05
2008 Ch de Pez $44.00 - 10.95 = $33.05

2007 Langoa Barton $72.00 - 15.80 = $56.20
2008 Les Hauts de Smith $36.95 - 6.85 = $30.10

2007 Ch Guiraud (375ml) $39.00 - 8.55 = $30.45
2007 Ch Rieussec (375ml) $66.00 - 14.50 = $51.50

There's also the 08 Frescobaldi Mormoreto which has been marked down to $50 system-wide.
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Originally posted by VinCentric:
Thanks OTW for the update on Laird markdowns.

I'm checking a store closer to me on the Guiraud.

Cheers,

VinC

You will find that these markdowns are store-specific. But if you want me to pick up some Giraud for you, let me know.
Thanks very much for the heads up on the Laird discounts. There seemed a lot marked down. Is this a store that regularly marks down on its own? Is there any sort of pattern to when they delist?
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Originally posted by 7smcb:
Thanks very much for the heads up on the Laird discounts. There seemed a lot marked down. Is this a store that regularly marks down on its own? Is there any sort of pattern to when they delist?

No pattern. They just happen every so often, so you have to keep your eye out.
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Originally posted by on the wine:
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Originally posted by 7smcb:
Thanks very much for the heads up on the Laird discounts. There seemed a lot marked down. Is this a store that regularly marks down on its own? Is there any sort of pattern to when they delist?

No pattern. They just happen every so often, so you have to keep your eye out.


It happens when they run out of shelf space which happens not infrequently at the Laird store due to its small size relative to sales volume. The other store in similar circumstance where you might find such local clearance prices is the Dupont/Spadina store. BOth serve higher end neighbourhoods, so there are frequently good (but slowly moving) wines to be had.
Let's not forget the "LCBO Clearance Store" - Crossroads at 401 and Weston. Although, the few times I've been there, I haven't seen much in the way of bargains. Perhaps someone who goes more often can chime in on whether it's worth the trip.

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