I think their approach is governed by the following considerations:

1 They are not prepared to alienate the very public sector unions which actively supported them in election.

2 They do not want to give up control over an activity. I think that it is very hard to convince government to get out of anything.

3 It gives them lots of influence in the marketplace - eg store locations, terms of trade.

4 Making the type of changes that are needed will not help them get re-elected.

5 The only real change that is even feasible is to provide greater access and better service - prices will not go down - so is this the type of benefit that is even worth the effort/bother.
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Social engineering is the only other reason I can think of. The ability to control the location of the stores.

Confused Social engineering? Can you expand on that please?


If there are communities or neighborhoods that are maybe a little "rougher" or prone to alcohol related problems, the LCBO might choose to open a smaller number of stores there than a private model would.

It's a stretch, to say the least, and I only came up with it because I believe they could make just as much money if they allowed private sales and taxed the crap out of it -- therefore, I don't believe money is a factor.

But - reading winederlust's post, many of his points are much more rational and valid than my social engineering idea.

Back on topic - I picked up a couple bottles of 2007 Adelaida Viking Estate Vineyard Cab Sauv at one of the Ottawa stores for about $42 -- list price was $59. I'm completely unfamiliar with the producer, so I just took a flyer on it based on price.
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Originally posted by VinT:
Ahh, got it. It does make sense, but it's interesting they do nothing to limit proliferation of other businesses that thrive in those neighborhoods like payday loan companies and pawn shops.


or running casinos, other forms of gaming (for those that can probably least afford it) or even selling cigarettes for that matter.

Why did I get myself started??
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Originally posted by The Web:

If there are communities or neighborhoods that are maybe a little "rougher" or prone to alcohol related problems, the LCBO might choose to open a smaller number of stores there than a private model would.

It's a stretch, to say the least, and I only came up with it because I believe they could make just as much money if they allowed private sales and taxed the crap out of it -- therefore, I don't believe money is a factor.
...


Well, there's an LCBO store at the seedy strip mall right at the corner of Jane/Finch, which is arguably the "roughest" area of Toronto. To me this "social responsibility" mandate is a bunch of malarkey, an excuse to justify LCBO's existence.
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Originally posted by Bytown Rick:
Perhaps others already know this, but it was news to me when I stumbled across it on the LCBO website. The themes for each of the Vintages releases for the coming years. Click here

Not a lot of information, but more than I had before.

Rick


Interesting. Good info. Thanks.
It looks like they may be dumping some consignment wines at the Crossroads clearance center. I dropped in yesterday after driving my son up to Guelph U and bought:

6 x 2010 Justin Isosceles at $59
12 x 2012 Negro Roero Arneis Serra Lupini at $15

They also had:

2010 Orin Swift Papillon at $75
2007 Andrew Will Two Blondes at $57
2012 Macphail Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir at $33
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Originally posted by on the wine:
It looks like they may be dumping some consignment wines at the Crossroads clearance center. I dropped in yesterday after driving my son up to Guelph U and bought:

6 x 2010 Justin Isosceles at $59
12 x 2012 Negro Roero Arneis Serra Lupini at $15

They also had:

2010 Orin Swift Papillon at $75
2007 Andrew Will Two Blondes at $57
2012 Macphail Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir at $33


What store is this?
Thanks as always OTW, your contributions to this thread are fantastic.

I got some Negro Roero Arneis Serra Lupini at the Dundas W and Jane store (cleaned them out actually) - it's a system wide markdown. While I was there they had Tawse riesling icewine 204990 on sale from $35 to $28. This is a store level markdown. They have 2 bottles of 2009 and 4 bottles of 2013 on hand.
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Originally posted by Riddler:
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Originally posted by on the wine:
It looks like they may be dumping some consignment wines at the Crossroads clearance center. I dropped in yesterday after driving my son up to Guelph U and bought:

6 x 2010 Justin Isosceles at $59
12 x 2012 Negro Roero Arneis Serra Lupini at $15

They also had:

2010 Orin Swift Papillon at $75
2007 Andrew Will Two Blondes at $57
2012 Macphail Sonoma Coast Pinot Noir at $33


What store is this?


Just make sure you have your gun when you go there. And don't go after dark.
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Originally posted by Machine:


Just make sure you have your gun when you go there. And don't go after dark.


whoa... i just bought a house up near there.... it's not that bad... wait a sec.

you're warning them about me again aren't you?

Most nights they have 2 cops stationed in the store. And once I saw a group of 6 cops standing around inside he store. They must have had an important scotch delivery that day.

So if your house is real close to the store... or maybe it should be inside the store...

That said, they do have one of the larger Vintages sections in the KGBO system which speaks directly to the kind of consumer base they must be serving.
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Originally posted by The Web:

Back on topic - I picked up a couple bottles of 2007 Adelaida Viking Estate Vineyard Cab Sauv at one of the Ottawa stores for about $42 -- list price was $59. I'm completely unfamiliar with the producer, so I just took a flyer on it based on price.


I cracked this open last night and quite enjoyed. Fairly big wine without being too extracty. Nice tannins. Don't think I'd pay $59 for it, but at $42 it was a good buy.

Question for those in the know on the LCBO -- is there likely to be a big sale in Jan or Feb? Seem to remember in other years that's what they've done.
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Originally posted by The Web:
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Originally posted by The Web:

Back on topic - I picked up a couple bottles of 2007 Adelaida Viking Estate Vineyard Cab Sauv at one of the Ottawa stores for about $42 -- list price was $59. I'm completely unfamiliar with the producer, so I just took a flyer on it based on price.


I cracked this open last night and quite enjoyed. Fairly big wine without being too extracty. Nice tannins. Don't think I'd pay $59 for it, but at $42 it was a good buy.

Question for those in the know on the LCBO -- is there likely to be a big sale in Jan or Feb? Seem to remember in other years that's what they've done.


I believe there is one on now. I saw something about it in the latest LCBO e-mail.
The Crossroads location (Weston/401) will be the dumping ground for a ton of clearance/bin end product over the next weeks/months. I was told upwards of 7,000 cases. The first wave arrived yesterday and so far the sale is underwhelming.

A dozen or so cases of each of the following:

2009 Quinta do Portal Peccatore Red Douro # 361980 @ $7.95
2013 Las Moras Reserve Chardonnay # 270025 @ $6.45
2011 VIP Pinot Grigio # 272351 @ $6.45
The Beachhouse Red Shiraz/Mourvedre/Viognier # 223453 @ $6.95
2013 Los Arboles Malbec # 66696 @ $6.95
2013 Domaine de Pellehaut Blanc # 319665 @ $9.95
2013 Luigi Bosca Finca la Linda Syrah # 223651 @ $6.95

There was more, but it was too depressing to catalog.

Apparently more, and different, product will hit the floor on a daily basis as space is cleared out. Some product will be single cases and some will be full skids. As far as I know, there's no way to search for the clearance items on the website, and the store staff are unwilling/unable to provide a list of what's coming, let alone what's already on the floor.

If anyone is at Crossroads and sees anything of interest, please post your findings.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
The Crossroads location (Weston/401) will be the dumping ground for a ton of clearance/bin end product over the next weeks/months. I was told upwards of 7,000 cases. The first wave arrived yesterday and so far the sale is underwhelming.

A dozen or so cases of each of the following:

2009 Quinta do Portal Peccatore Red Douro # 361980 @ $7.95
2013 Las Moras Reserve Chardonnay # 270025 @ $6.45
2011 VIP Pinot Grigio # 272351 @ $6.45
The Beachhouse Red Shiraz/Mourvedre/Viognier # 223453 @ $6.95
2013 Los Arboles Malbec # 66696 @ $6.95
2013 Domaine de Pellehaut Blanc # 319665 @ $9.95
2013 Luigi Bosca Finca la Linda Syrah # 223651 @ $6.95

There was more, but it was too depressing to catalog.

Apparently more, and different, product will hit the floor on a daily basis as space is cleared out. Some product will be single cases and some will be full skids. As far as I know, there's no way to search for the clearance items on the website, and the store staff are unwilling/unable to provide a list of what's coming, let alone what's already on the floor.

If anyone is at Crossroads and sees anything of interest, please post your findings.

Last week, they have the 2012 Capiaux Chimera Pinot Noir at $27, which is a very good price.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
The Crossroads location (Weston/401) will be the dumping ground for a ton of clearance/bin end product over the next weeks/months. I was told upwards of 7,000 cases. The first wave arrived yesterday and so far the sale is underwhelming.

A dozen or so cases of each of the following:

2009 Quinta do Portal Peccatore Red Douro # 361980 @ $7.95
2013 Las Moras Reserve Chardonnay # 270025 @ $6.45
2011 VIP Pinot Grigio # 272351 @ $6.45
The Beachhouse Red Shiraz/Mourvedre/Viognier # 223453 @ $6.95
2013 Los Arboles Malbec # 66696 @ $6.95
2013 Domaine de Pellehaut Blanc # 319665 @ $9.95
2013 Luigi Bosca Finca la Linda Syrah # 223651 @ $6.95

There was more, but it was too depressing to catalog.

Apparently more, and different, product will hit the floor on a daily basis as space is cleared out. Some product will be single cases and some will be full skids. As far as I know, there's no way to search for the clearance items on the website, and the store staff are unwilling/unable to provide a list of what's coming, let alone what's already on the floor.

If anyone is at Crossroads and sees anything of interest, please post your findings.


Thanks for the report, A. I was there last week and also found it quite uninspiring.
By far the most markdowns I have seen in Georgetown (236 Guelph St)

Over 100 items marked down 30%. Mostly daily drinkers.

Even their singles basket was marked down 30%

Few CdP to note:
- Beaucastel 2011 $63 (3 bottles)
- Chateau Lazaret Cuvee Exceptional 2009 $42
- Chateau Charbonnere VV $46

Worth a look if you can.
I stopped in at Crossroads on my way back from Guelph tonight and have never seen a worse load of CRAP in all my life. That stuff should be headed to the landfill rather than the clearance center!

Is this the kind of stuff that Kathleen Wynne puts on her table? No wonder she looks so sour.
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Originally posted by on the wine:
I stopped in at Crossroads on my way back from Guelph tonight and have never seen a worse load of CRAP in all my life. That stuff should be headed to the landfill rather than the clearance center!

Is this the kind of stuff that Kathleen Wynne puts on her table? No wonder she looks so sour.

Big Grin I think there may be other reasons.

My favourite part is the banners trumpeting CLEARANCE! Up to 50% off! because they have $12 wines marked down to $6.
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by on the wine:
I stopped in at Crossroads on my way back from Guelph tonight and have never seen a worse load of CRAP in all my life. That stuff should be headed to the landfill rather than the clearance center!

Is this the kind of stuff that Kathleen Wynne puts on her table? No wonder she looks so sour.

Big Grin I think there may be other reasons.

My favourite part is the banners trumpeting CLEARANCE! Up to 50% off! because they have $12 wines marked down to $6.

I think they are $6 (or less) wines that were severely overpriced at $12. If they were really $12 wines, there wouldn't be so many skids of unsold wine to clear.

But even at $6 they aren't flying out the door.
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Originally posted by sunnylea57:
2010 Fontanafredda Barolo is marked down by 10% from $30 to $27.

I exchanged 3 bottles of the Quercheccio Rosso di Montalcino for 2 bottles of the Barolo. Almost a straight exchange. That doesn't count as breaking the moratorium, does it?

Don't answer that.


Moratorium? What moratorium??? My Brovia Barolo purchases don't count either then Big Grin

Might pick up a couple of the 2010 Fontanafredda. Should be interesting as the last time I had it was in the mid 1990s. It seems hard to go wrong with 2010 Barolo.

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