Staying at the Villa Florence next week with the girlfriend for a night in the city and planning on eating at Kuleto's restaurant in Union Square. Anyone been there before or can recommend any of their wines on their list? Thinking about bringing an 01 Brunello with me, but a might have to get something off there list as well/instead.

Heres a link to their wine list as well.

Any thoughts?
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Well...

First of all, I would chose Scala's over Kuleto's for Italian-esque Union Square dining in this price range. (Bonus: last time I was there they charged very low corkage - I think $12/bottle.)

Though, to be honest, for great Italian dining I would walk the extra blocks and eat at Perbacco.

That being said, to answer your question, from that list, I would order the '04 Sandrone Barbera without a second thought. IIRC, I have scored that wine between 91.5 and 94 points.
Thanks for the response. Well, I've already got reservations at Kuleto's and with it being basically at our hotel, it is very convenient. I've heard great things about Scala's, though I've never been. Hadn't heard of Perbacco though, and their website isn't working right now (and your link is correct).

I don't know too much about Italian wine, and my experience is basically limited to what I've tried in Italy and brought back with me. I can't recall any specific Barberas that I've had, but I'm thinking I'll take your advice on that one. $69 bucks seems like a good deal based on your recommendation.
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Originally posted by JMatthews:
Thanks for the response. Well, I've already got reservations at Kuleto's and with it being basically at our hotel, it is very convenient. I've heard great things about Scala's, though I've never been. Hadn't heard of Perbacco though, and their website isn't working right now (and your link is correct).

I don't know too much about Italian wine, and my experience is basically limited to what I've tried in Italy and brought back with me. I can't recall any specific Barberas that I've had, but I'm thinking I'll take your advice on that one. $69 bucks seems like a good deal based on your recommendation.


Cool. The Perbacco website is working now, for me, by the way. (You need to be running flashplayer on your browse to view it, I think.) Next time you are staying downtown SF looking for Italian, it is a great option. They honestly have the very best salami I have ever tried -- the one with the fennel.

FWIW: I just went back through my notes... I've had the '99, '00, '01, and '03 Sandrone Barberas all several times. Somehow, for some reason, I seem to have blanked on the '04, though I was sure I'd had it. '04 is a great year for Barbera; I like other favorite producers' Barberas just as much, if not more, in '04 than in '03. It was the '03 Sandrone that, on one occasion, bested a '96 Groffier Bonnes Mares. So I completely stand by my rec and absolutely that is the wine I would order off of the list. I just cannot confirm for sure that I have tasted it.

Have fun!
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by JMatthews:
Thanks for the response. Well, I've already got reservations at Kuleto's and with it being basically at our hotel, it is very convenient. I've heard great things about Scala's, though I've never been. Hadn't heard of Perbacco though, and their website isn't working right now (and your link is correct).

I don't know too much about Italian wine, and my experience is basically limited to what I've tried in Italy and brought back with me. I can't recall any specific Barberas that I've had, but I'm thinking I'll take your advice on that one. $69 bucks seems like a good deal based on your recommendation.


Cool. The Perbacco website is working now, for me, by the way. (You need to be running flashplayer on your browse to view it, I think.) Next time you are staying downtown SF looking for Italian, it is a great option. They honestly have the very best salami I have ever tried -- the one with the fennel.

FWIW: I just went back through my notes... I've had the '99, '00, '01, and '03 Sandrone Barberas all several times. Somehow, for some reason, I seem to have blanked on the '04, though I was sure I'd had it. '04 is a great year for Barbera; I like other favorite producers' Barberas just as much, if not more, in '04 than in '03. It was the '03 Sandrone that, on one occasion, bested a '96 Groffier Bonnes Mares. So I completely stand by my rec and absolutely that is the wine I would order off of the list. I just cannot confirm for sure that I have tasted it.

Have fun!


Sounds good!

Thanks again.
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Originally posted by JMatthews:
Well my gf's got the flu, so all this has been postponed. Might do Perbacco's or Scala's instead now.

Thanks anyways for the help guys.


Sorry to hear about your gf's flu.

As between Perbacco and Scala's... I would go to Perbacco under most conditions...

Perbacco has better food; especially insofar as if you are an accomplished home cook, you can duplicate a lot of the things Scala's does, but not Perbacco (unless you are planning on making your own dried, uncured, sausages, and even then...) Perbacco's food is also reasonably authentic, whereas Scala's makes no bones about the fact that their food comes from the CA and Provence regions of Northern Italy. That said, Perbacco is a little business-y whereas Scala's is decidedly not. Perbacco is 90+% local whereas Scala's is about 50/50 local/tourists. The service and decor at Perbacco area little more formal than at Scala's though I would not call either formal at all. There is something a bit romantic about the overstuffed booths at Scala's and if yo go during a week day, they may let you reserve one, even though they can very comfortably seat 4. So, if great food is what you are after, I' say go to Perbacco, for total experience, depending upon what you are looking for, it becomes less clear.
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
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Originally posted by JMatthews:
Well my gf's got the flu, so all this has been postponed. Might do Perbacco's or Scala's instead now.

Thanks anyways for the help guys.


Sorry to hear about your gf's flu.

As between Perbacco and Scala's... I would go to Perbacco under most conditions...

Perbacco has better food; especially insofar as if you are an accomplished home cook, you can duplicate a lot of the things Scala's does, but not Perbacco (unless you are planning on making your own dried, uncured, sausages, and even then...) Perbacco's food is also reasonably authentic, whereas Scala's makes no bones about the fact that their food comes from the CA and Provence regions of Northern Italy. That said, Perbacco is a little business-y whereas Scala's is decidedly not. Perbacco is 90+% local whereas Scala's is about 50/50 local/tourists. The service and decor at Perbacco area little more formal than at Scala's though I would not call either formal at all. There is something a bit romantic about the overstuffed booths at Scala's and if yo go during a week day, they may let you reserve one, even though they can very comfortably seat 4. So, if great food is what you are after, I' say go to Perbacco, for total experience, depending upon what you are looking for, it becomes less clear.

Hmmm. Well, I'm gonna have to try both, question is which one first. Perbacco does look a little business oriented based on their website (which I got to work using IE instead of Firefox), BUT their food sounds incredible.

That roasted octopus... might be reason alone to check it out. Jesus I'm hungry. Thanks again for the help, I'll report back on food/service quality when we actually go.

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