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Took a Vietnamese cooking class earler this week, and have been trying out a bunch of recipes.

Tonight, phoenix rolls (rolled-up chicken breasts stuffed with ham and chopped shrimp), spicy beef and tomato hot pot (more like stew really), lemon grass roasted chicken thighs, and some small dishes like vermicelli noodles. I made my own nuoc cham (fish dipping sauce) which is easy and great. I have to say, requisite tiny bird's-eye peppers are unbelievably hot, in the Scotch bonnet range!

Some chilled Heineken and a bottle of to-be-determined German Riesling.
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Originally posted by Bella Donna:

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Originally posted by Seaquam:
Tonight, phoenix rolls (rolled-up chicken breasts stuffed with ham
Ham??? Do you mean the pork sausage that is sliced thin?

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I made my own nuoc cham (fish dipping sauce)
It's nuoc MAM Big Grin



No, I meant ham. That's why I wrote ham.

And no, it's nuoc cham.

You can do a google search for Vietnamese phoenix rolls (Banh Phuong Hoang) as well.

Keep laughing. Roll Eyes
I wasn't laughing nor was I making fun of you. I admire someone who learns how to cook the cuisine of another culture.

Nuoc cham is the same thing as nuoc mam...or atleast that is what we call it.

And the ham...I just wasn't sure if you knew what that was or not. I have not seen any authentic Vietnamese dishes with ham...but there is always a first for everything.

Carry on.
Nuoc mam (bottled fish sauce) is one of the ingredients in nuoc cham, a dipping sauce which is mostly water along with nuoc mam, birds eye chiles, garlic, lime juice, sugar.

The chef who taught us was Vietnamese-born, and came to Canada when he was 14. He's been a chef for 30 years, executive chef in a number of good restaurants for the last 20. He learned his basics from his father, who was a famous chef. He shared a few of his personal recipes with us, focusing on what he called traditional comfort foods. I'm sure the ingredients are somewhat different from what would be found in Vietnam, so the recipes are probably not entirely "authentic."
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kuma-

You were in town? Hope you had fun. Cool

Tonight: ribeyes on the grill (S&P only), a nice, fresh baguette and a dinner salad with avocado, feta, tomato and a light balsamic vinaigrette.

BRR - yeah, just for an afternoon before hopping on a cruise or i wouldve tried to arrange something with you - i only got to spend about 3 hours with those guys Frown totally forgot how easy that flight is from LA, i will be up again soon and i will be sure to let you know when!
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Actually not. Many, if not most, good red wines are diminshed by tomato sauce. You're just being dense.


I see your point, but I didn't mean "great red wine." I certainly agree that a well aged Bordeaux, or a fine Burgundy would be overwhelmed by tomato sauce. Meverthless, I enjoy a wide range of sturdy value wines with tomato sauce.

"diminshed?" You've been drinking again, haven't you? Wink
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Originally posted by Spenser:
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Originally posted by Board-O:
Actually not. Many, if not most, good red wines are diminshed by tomato sauce. You're just being dense.


I see your point, but I didn't mean "great red wine." I certainly agree that a well aged Bordeaux, or a fine Burgundy would be overwhelmed by tomato sauce. Meverthless, I enjoy a wide range of sturdy value wines with tomato sauce.

"diminshed?" You've been drinking again, haven't you? Wink


Actually not.

What you said was "Any good red wine will do." That is clearly incorrect. Try a Pinot Noir with tomato sauce, or a good Merlot. Then you will see the error in your statement. If you must have red wine with tomato sauce, get some acidic Italian red.
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Originally posted by Board-O:

What you said was "Any good red wine will do." That is clearly incorrect. Try a Pinot Noir with tomato sauce, or a good Merlot. Then you will see the error in your statement. If you must have red wine with tomato sauce, get some acidic Italian red.


OK, I got myself trapped by a glib overstatement. I concede.

And of course I understand that "diminshed" was a typo; I though we might all enjoy a little joke. What was I thinking?

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