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January 2013: What are you drinking?

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W winepleaseMember
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Originally posted by aagrawal:
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Originally posted by Wineplease:
1998 Dom Perignon

How was it? I have one bottle only... when would you recommend that I open it?


The 98 DP showed very well.
I don't have much experience drinking aged champagne so I am not sure to answer your second question.
I will need other forumnites to help me answer that question.
K ksc02Member
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Originally posted by Wineplease:
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Originally posted by aagrawal:
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Originally posted by Wineplease:
1998 Dom Perignon

How was it? I have one bottle only... when would you recommend that I open it?


The 98 DP showed very well.
I don't have much experience drinking aged champagne so I am not sure to answer your second question.
I will need other forumnites to help me answer that question.

I would strongly suggest sourcing a couple more bottles, if you are able to aagrawal. This is a vintage that drinks well now and will age gracefully, IMO. If you truly are limited to just one bottle and you are seeking the ideal sweet spot, that really depends upon Your idea of a Champagne's sweet spot. A point upon which you get more mature, softened, toasty nuances? I would guess 8- 15 yrs should put you approx in that zone. As you get closer you're sure to have feedback from others regarding how its doing along the way (as well as how you are storing your bottle). I doubt that I'm far off regarding a 'window' however.
glennkglennkMember
Recent wines:

2006 Calera Pinot Noir Mills (half bottle) – Drinking really well right now with nice fruit and starting to show some mature notes at age 6. Tasty

2011 Calera Chardonnay Central Coast – Easy drinking white with nice crisp apple and some melon flavors. Not going to change your life, but for under $20 this is a real winner.

2004 Collazzi Toscana IGT – Drinking really well now and showing a bit more of an earthy nose and flavor than expected, but it was a welcome addition to contrast with the ripe fruit. Paired perfectly with some prime ribeye’s from the grill.

2011 Littorai Pinot Noir Sonoma Coast – I’m having a hard time keeping my hands off these. Really balanced and delicious with pure red fruits and a nice and zingy finish. Love this winery.

2002 Mongeard-Mugneret Echezeaux – This bottle was out of balance from the get go with a bit too much oak for me and the fruit was on the overripe/sweet side. Tasted more like a big CA pinot than grand cru burg.
glennkglennkMember
Forgot one:

2005 Rieussec – Pretty gross actually. This might be the nail in my sauternes coffin. They are just too sweet for me and I could barely manage a couple of sips of this wine. The sad part is it was paired with a really well prepared foie course, but it completely overpowered the dish. I’ve had success with foie and sauternes in the past, but I think I’m going elsewhere with that pairing in the future and no more sauternes for me. I’ve given it a good try, it’s just not for me.
robsutherlandrobsutherlandMember
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Originally posted by GlennK:
Forgot one:

2005 Rieussec – Pretty gross actually. This might be the nail in my sauternes coffin. They are just too sweet for me and I could barely manage a couple of sips of this wine. The sad part is it was paired with a really well prepared foie course, but it completely overpowered the dish. I’ve had success with foie and sauternes in the past, but I think I’m going elsewhere with that pairing in the future and no more sauternes for me. I’ve given it a good try, it’s just not for me.


Pater dimitte illis non enim sciunt quid faciunt.
glennkglennkMember
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Originally posted by billhike:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
2005 Rieussec – Pretty gross actually. This might be the nail in my sauternes coffin.


Blasphemer! Cast of with ye, unclean spirit! Razz
Haha. I know it’s not a popular opinion, but it’s just my opinion on sweet wines in general. I have tried many, including great vintages of d’yquem both young and mature, and I just don’t get them. I don’t have a sweet tooth for food either though. You will rarely see me order a very sweet dessert (or dessert at all) and I have not had a piece of candy since I was a kid. It’s just how my taste buds work I guess. More of the rest of you!
M muMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by errestaurants:
2005 Vieux Chateau Certan


Where in the world have you been hiding? Smile

We need to drink some wine together, soon.


Like you, wine is not my primary passion. Lifting weights has always been number 1 for me and I got away from it. Spent the last 2 years getting back into shape, dropped 45 pounds and trying to find balance. Between food, wine and work I became undisciplined. For me it's truly been about quality over quantity :;
W winespartyMember
I haven't posted my consumption in awhile, but here's what I've had in the past few weeks:
NV Charles Ellner Champagne Brut Rose
2009 Rivers Marie Pinot Noir Silver Eagle Vineyard
2008 Elk Cove Pinot Noir Shea Vineyard
2009 Barnard Griffin Merlot Reserve
2010 Booker Vertigo 22 Months
2011 Chateau Fontaine Woodland White
2010 Carlisle Zinfandel Martinelli Road Vineyard
2011 Chakana Malbec Estate Selection
vinoevelovinoeveloMember
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Originally posted by max:
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
2010 Lapierre Morgon
How did this bottle show? I've been enjoying Lapierre's wines since the 2000 vintage and amazed at how consistent they have been. Not tried the 2010's yet but sitting on a few.


And Vinc..


Showed well, but showed best on the third day. Put on more weight the longer it had to breathe. Love lapierre and might be a bit biased. Told myself back in June to hide these and keep my hands off, but its been difficult.
V vincentricMember
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
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Originally posted by max:
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Originally posted by vinoevelo:
2010 Lapierre Morgon
How did this bottle show? I've been enjoying Lapierre's wines since the 2000 vintage and amazed at how consistent they have been. Not tried the 2010's yet but sitting on a few.


And Vinc..


Showed well, but showed best on the third day. Put on more weight the longer it had to breathe. Love lapierre and might be a bit biased. Told myself back in June to hide these and keep my hands off, but its been difficult.


Thanks Vinoevelo. I'll watch for Lapierre. It looks like some other 2010 Morgon are still in the system though. Maybe I'll try a one or two.
glennkglennkMember
Some baby killing yesterday with gkapoor:

2009 Etienne Sauzet Puligny-Montrachet 1er Cru Champ-Canet –Overall I have enjoyed the style of the 2010 vintage over 2009 so far in Burgundy, but this was an excellent showing. Plenty of fruit on the palate but nicely balanced with a mineraly finish and nice acidity. Some 09’s have been overdone for me, but this was fantastic.

2009 Pontet-Canet – We opened this around noon and had a taste and then just let it slow o in the cellar until dinner. While obviously young this was surprisingly easy to drink with nice ripe fruit on the attack and really fine tannins that were not harsh at all despite its youth. No trace of alcohol to me which I have heard might be an issue for 09. Will be a blockbuster with some age, but it was enjoyable now if you want to pop one before it shuts down.

1999 Mouton Rothschild – Had a taste of this at the restaurant from one of those enomatic wine machines. More of a red fruit profile that is starting to show some age. Very enjoyable “classic” Bordeaux, but I wouldn't pay the going rate for this wine these days.

Fun night as always with gk.
V vincentricMember
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Originally posted by Wine Canuck:
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Originally posted by VinCentric:
2001 Bouchard Pere & Fils Corton le Corton GC


What did you think of this?


It started off somewhat light (understandable for the vintage) with underbrush and a bit of barnyard (which blew off). Nose and flavors were typical Beaune with underbrush, mushrooms, red fruit and a bit of smoke. After a couple of hours it put on some weight and was quite enjoyable. It's showing a bit of age but still has time to go. I'm not sure if it will improve from here, so I'd drink them if I had more 2001s. 89pts. It did make think that the 2006 I have should be excellent, and 2005 could be a good QPR.
V vincentricMember
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Originally posted by on the wine:
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Originally posted by VinCentric:
Very nicely done! I like the liquid Friday afternoon theme Cool

How was the Boisrenard?

The 99 Boisrenard is in a good spot still but I don't know how many more years it has. My favourite wine was ths 04 Paleo, so everything pales in comparison.


No surprise on the 04 Paleo! Winner It would be a hard act for the others to follow. Glad to hear the Boisrenard was good. I had a 1990 a while back that was good but probably a bit past peak imo.
M moselleluxemburgMember
Some memorable ones:
1986 Quarts-de-Chaume, Chateau Bellerive, the oldest wine in my cellar, like frozen in time, has nit changed during the last years
1999 Chateau Rieussec, Sauternes
2005 Heritage de Thieuley, Chateau Thieuley, the first time i opened a 2005 Bordeaux, a totally understated "Appellation Bordeaux" from a true wine magician, thank you Mr. Francis Courselle.
V vincentricMember
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Originally posted by txgolfpro:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
2x NV H. Billiot Cuvee Laetitia ( vintages from '83 - '05)

2005 Domaine Bertagna Corton Charlemagne Grand Cru

2005 J-P Fichet Les Referts Montrachet

2002 Domaine E. Sauzet Montrachet

1996 Domaine Bonneau du Martray Corton Charlemagne

Enjoyed at lunch yesterday.


Burger King?
LOL

Looks like a stellar selection of white burgs W&A - a great lunch! Bow Did any really stand out from the rest? Any TN's?
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by txgolfpro:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
2x NV H. Billiot Cuvee Laetitia ( vintages from '83 - '05)

2005 Domaine Bertagna Corton Charlemagne Grand Cru

2005 J-P Fichet Les Referts Montrachet

2002 Domaine E. Sauzet Montrachet

1996 Domaine Bonneau du Martray Corton Charlemagne

Enjoyed at lunch yesterday.


Burger King?


Not until they start serving lobster. Razz
otwotwMember
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Originally posted by Bruce Hayes:
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Originally posted by on the wine:
Another liquid Friday afternoon celebrating a co-worker's birthday...

2005 Benjamin Bridge Brut Reserve


How was this? Does it live up to the hype?

I certainly enjoyed it and I think it is a very good sparkling wine. But I could have found others just as good at a lower price.
S seaquamMember
Last night w/Tyees:

- Guy Charlemagne Champagne Brut Rose -- nice Pinot Noir nose and same on palate, lots of cherry, spice, excellent

- 2004 Dom. Weinbach Gewurztraminer Cuvee Laurence -- textbook roses and lichi, pear, white pepper, rich and silky, finishes long and, unlike a lot of other Gewurztraminers, very dry (Tyee called this "a wine connoisseur's Gewurz"), delicious

- 2002 Mommessin Clos de Tart -- blackberry, cherry, anise, mineral, shows more and more with every mouthful, velvety, a Great Wine still a few year from peak, long expansive finish, a Wow! wine, killer Burgundy!

- 1997 Allegrini Amarone -- some cheesy stank, lots of sultana raisin, milk chocolate, tar, big and powerful, long finish with big round tannins, probably drinking as well as it's going to but no hurry to get rid of these yet

- 1987 Fonseca Port Guimarens -- plum, cinnamon, sage, fig flavours, not a huge Fonseca but complex, rich, delicious and perfect for a rainy night
thelostversethelostverseMember
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by thelostverse:
Last night with roast duck - 2010 Kutch Pinot Noir McDougall Ranch. Way young, but I have 6 and wanted to get a gauge. I haven't even tried any of my '09s yet as I only have three of those.
How was it? I have a couple


This was quite nice. More of an elegant style than some full throttle Cali Pinots. I only opened one because I had six. If I only had a couple, I would wait on these. If in doubt, Jamie has a vintage chart on his site. As I indicated in my original post, I haven't opened any of my '09s yet.
glennkglennkMember
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Originally posted by thelostverse:
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Originally posted by GlennK:
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Originally posted by thelostverse:
Last night with roast duck - 2010 Kutch Pinot Noir McDougall Ranch. Way young, but I have 6 and wanted to get a gauge. I haven't even tried any of my '09s yet as I only have three of those.
How was it? I have a couple


This was quite nice. More of an elegant style than some full throttle Cali Pinots. I only opened one because I had six. If I only had a couple, I would wait on these. If in doubt, Jamie has a vintage chart on his site. As I indicated in my original post, I haven't opened any of my '09s yet.
Thanks!
G gigabitMember
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Originally posted by PurpleHaze:
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Originally posted by Spanishwinery.es:
2008 Zarzanas, Spanish Crianza, a balanced Tempranillo, Syrach and Merlot grapes.


An international WineSearcher inquiry indicates that there is only one supplier of this wine in the world.

Guess who?? Roll Eyes

How do you say douchebag en espanol?? Mad

PH

PH, there is no translation; however, the term transcends all languages. Big Grin
billhikebillhikeMember
Actually I think you are correct on the higher percentage of Syrah. I stated it that way just to mention the 6th grape. We bought the bottle at the winery when out there a few months ago. My other half was more excited about how cheap they were selling barrel ends and staves for. Her brothers are woodworkers and the pieces we brought back will make a small table.
D doktapMember
A special bottle of '97 Gruaud Larose that my son back back for me when he was in Paris.

I should mention, he bought it when he was 15 yrs old and on a school exchange in grade 10. He knew I liked wine and snuck it on the plane so his teachers didn't confiscate it.

A special bottle indeed and enjoyed by the whole family with grilled filet mignon, baked brussel sprouts and tossed Japanese salad.
G gigabitMember
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Originally posted by DoktaP:
A special bottle of '97 Gruaud Larose that my son back back for me when he was in Paris.

I should mention, he bought it when he was 15 yrs old and on a school exchange in grade 10. He knew I liked wine and snuck it on the plane so his teachers didn't confiscate it.

A special bottle indeed and enjoyed by the whole family with grilled filet mignon, baked brussel sprouts and tossed Japanese salad.

Love it! Cool
S seaquamMember
With Tyee and Lady Tyee:

- 1996 Billecart-Salmon Champagne Cuvee Elisabeth Salmon -- I haven't had this in years and this wine seems not to have changed much from what I remember, copper in colour, deep cherry and berry nose, floral, rich palate of berries, citrus, mineral, creamy, silky, persistent but not overwhelming mousse, long finish, just a beautiful wine

- NV H. Billiot Champagne Cuvee Julie -- big fruit bowl nose, seriously effusive mousse, tastes very young and fresh, apples and roasted nuts, really terrific Champagne that suffered only in following the Cuvee Elisabeth

- 2005 JJ Prum Riesling Wehlener Sonnenuhr Goldkapsel -- maybe the most impressive mix of acidity and fruit that you'll ever put into your mouth, stunning; this wine will live happily and provide great pleasure for decades

- 1998 Dusky Goose Pinot Noir Rambouillet Vineyard -- from Oregon, a powerhouse that was still opening more after a couple of hours in decanter, great nose of cherry and baking spice follows on palate, some earthiness and anise kicks in as well, remarkably long, long finish. Needs time, but a great Pinot Noir worth looking for

- 1999 Chateau Gruaud Larose St Julien -- there's some nice cassis aromas and flavours here, but unfortunately hidden behind a leafy, almost green note, medium length finish, not certain whether this was an entirely sound bottle but definitely a disappointment
R redguyinabluestateMember
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Originally posted by Seaquam:


- 1998 Dusky Goose Pinot Noir Rambouillet Vineyard -- from Oregon, a powerhouse that was still opening more after a couple of hours in decanter, great nose of cherry and baking spice follows on palate, some earthiness and anise kicks in as well, remarkably long, long finish. Needs time, but a great Pinot Noir worth looking for


? 2008? I think the frist vintage of Rambouillet was 2006.
S seaquamMember
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Originally posted by Red guy in a blue state:
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Originally posted by Seaquam:


- 1998 Dusky Goose Pinot Noir Rambouillet Vineyard -- from Oregon, a powerhouse that was still opening more after a couple of hours in decanter, great nose of cherry and baking spice follows on palate, some earthiness and anise kicks in as well, remarkably long, long finish. Needs time, but a great Pinot Noir worth looking for


? 2008? I think the frist vintage of Rambouillet was 2006.




Oops! Sorry-- it was 2008. Don't know what I was thinking. Red Face

I'm guessing a 1998 wouldn't need much more time, but first it would have to exist.
R redguyinabluestateMember
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
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Originally posted by Red guy in a blue state:
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Originally posted by Seaquam:


- 1998 Dusky Goose Pinot Noir Rambouillet Vineyard -- from Oregon, a powerhouse that was still opening more after a couple of hours in decanter, great nose of cherry and baking spice follows on palate, some earthiness and anise kicks in as well, remarkably long, long finish. Needs time, but a great Pinot Noir worth looking for


? 2008? I think the frist vintage of Rambouillet was 2006.




Oops! Sorry-- it was 2008. Don't know what I was thinking. Red Face

I'm guessing a 1998 wouldn't need much more time, but first it would have to exist.

No worries. Nice note - letting the 08s sleep peacefully. The 06 was dynamite. Absolutely love Dusky Goose. Cool
mangiaremangiareMember
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Originally posted by Longboarder:
1990 Il Poggione Riserva BdM


Any thoughts on this Longboarder? The 1990 Fuligni Riserva consumed with VinT, OTW, and Futronic was delicious over the holidays.

2003 Petrolo Galatrona - third time trying this wine and finally some complexity. IMO, it needs another couple years. But, it's already 10 years old...
B brucehayesMember
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Originally posted by mangiare:
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Originally posted by Longboarder:
1990 Il Poggione Riserva BdM


Any thoughts on this Longboarder? The 1990 Fuligni Riserva consumed with VinT, OTW, and Futronic was delicious over the holidays.

2003 Petrolo Galatrona - third time trying this wine and finally some complexity. IMO, it needs another couple years. But, it's already 10 years old...


FWIW: Just took a quick look at the LCBO and SAQ and was amazed at the price disparity. LCBO selling the 2009 for $125, while the SAQ, still making a profit I am sure, has it for $98.25.

Wow.
thelostversethelostverseMember
Last night at dinner with Allred and our wives:

N.V. Marguet Père et Fils Champagne Blanc de Noirs Brut Tradition
2008 La Fleur de Bouard Lalande de Pomerol
2009 WesMar Pinot Noir Hellenthal Vineyard
2002 Neal Family Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon Howell Mountain Estate
2009 Match Vineyards Cabernet Sauvignon Butterdragon Hill

The Neal and Match were both in an excellent place last night. I even enjoyed the La Fleur last night.
J jonanatorMember
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Originally posted by Bruce Hayes:

FWIW: Just took a quick look at the LCBO and SAQ and was amazed at the price disparity. LCBO selling the 2009 for $125, while the SAQ, still making a profit I am sure, has it for $98.25.

Wow.


Funny, cheapest I have found this in Calgary is $135!! Some of the pricing out here is absolutely ridiculous.
V vincentricMember
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Originally posted by VinT:
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Originally posted by VinCentric:
2009 Jean Michel et Laurent Pillot Mercurey en Sazenay 1er


Thoughts?


Light barnyard and red fruit on the nose. A bit tart/cranberry to start on the palate, plus red fruit. Light to medium bodied. Opened up nicely with the bit of barnyard blowing off, and the tartness softening up. Drinking nicely now. The fruit isn't as big on this as on some of the other 2009s I've tried but it's nicely balanced. I'd drink this one over the next couple of years.
S shaferguy91Member
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Originally posted by nevada slim:
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Originally posted by Shaferguy91:
2011 Bedrock Wine Co. Heirloom Wine Pagani Ranch

Please share your thoughts on this wine.


First Bedrock I've ever had. Very dark purple color. Lots of powerful flavor with a good finish. Reminds me of a Linne Calodo zin blend at a cheaper price.

Last night:
2008 Chasseur Pinot Noir Umino Vineyard
S seaquamMember
Last night w/VanCityWino and our ladies:

- NV H. Billiot Champagne Cuvee Laetitia -- a really excellent Champagne, complex and rich, lots of pear, ginger, white chocolate, roasted nuts, a bit spicy, good acidity, very long finish, even better than their Cuvee Julie to my taste

- 2011 Domaine Fouassier Sancerre Les Baronne -- very nice, apple and citrus, quite intense, perfect with fresh oysters

- 2007 Meo-Camuzet Morey St-Denis -- lovely nose of cherry, barnyard and herbs, silky, interesting mix of ripe cherry, mushroom and sage flavours with some sour cherry notes kicking in at the end, light in colour but long in finish, fine quality village wine drinking very well now

- 2001 Domaine Pegau Chateauneuf du Pape Cuvee Reservee -- still dark, big nose of berries and some funky stank, lots of berry and plum flavour, garrigue, pepper, basil, rich mouthfeel, dense, long finish with some fine tannins at the end, excellent, can probably use a few more years to show all it has
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by Seaquam:
Last night w/VanCityWino and our ladies:

- NV H. Billiot Champagne Cuvee Laetitia -- a really excellent Champagne, complex and rich, lots of pear, ginger, white chocolate, roasted nuts, a bit spicy, good acidity, very long finish, even better than their Cuvee Julie to my taste

- 2011 Domaine Fouassier Sancerre Les Baronne -- very nice, apple and citrus, quite intense, perfect with fresh oysters

- 2007 Meo-Camuzet Morey St-Denis -- lovely nose of cherry, barnyard and herbs, silky, interesting mix of ripe cherry, mushroom and sage flavours with some sour cherry notes kicking in at the end, light in colour but long in finish, fine quality village wine drinking very well now

- 2001 Domaine Pegau Chateauneuf du Pape Cuvee Reservee -- still dark, big nose of berries and some funky stank, lots of berry and plum flavour, garrigue, pepper, basil, rich mouthfeel, dense, long finish with some fine tannins at the end, excellent, can probably use a few more years to show all it has


You truly drink well, Seaquam. A very intelligent selector of wines, and I'm sincere when I say this.
M maxMember
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Originally posted by Shaferguy91:
Last night with Memphis area wine guys at Cafe Society:

I brought a 2007 Chasseur Pinot Noir Rayhill Russian River Valley.
Yes, great time and some pretty good wines opened as well. This is what I remember being opened last night.

2002 Maison Leroy Meursault: In a great spot with ample fruit and nice acidity to balance.
2006 Peter Michael (vineyard ?) This bottle had a slight hint of cork taint.
1986 Maison Leroy Volnay Santenots: Drinking at peak now; in fact, not going to get better. But, fantastic now.
2007 Chasseur Pinot Noir Rayhill Vineyard: Nice drinking this along the Leroy. Both wines good examples of their respective regions. This bottle got better with air. I would hold if I had any.
1997 Pertimali Brunello di Montalcino: This wine was decanted 1 1/2 hours and was still a baby. Great wine and my WOTN even though it showed so young. Wouldn't open unless given 3+ hours in decanter or 5 more years in bottle.
2002 Spottswoode Cabernet Sauvignon: Another well made wine and another wine needing more time.
S seaquamMember
tonight with rotisserie chicken, a bottle of 2009 Cono Sur Pinot Noir Ocio, from Chile's Casablanca Valley. My curiosity was piqued by this wine's price, so I picked one up to try. It is immediately reminiscent of some inexpensive New Zealand Pinot Noirs that I've had, juicy but simple one-note cherry flavours, medium finish. It's a decent wine and should sell around $20-25 in my market, but it costs way more than that.

On the plus side, it comes in a heavy bottle with maybe the deepest punt I've ever seen on a 750 ml bottle. That's gotta be the prime justification for the price.
M mitpradikatMember
Seaquam,

I hope your rotisserie chicken was better than mine. Had a coupon and a gift card for Swiss Chalet, so picked up some take-out. The chicken was undercooked so I took it back and they gave me another complete meal, but the chicken was again undercooked. I couldn't be bothered to go back again, so I'm making chicken stock right now!

Regarding the Cono Sur, is that their organic Pinot?
S snipesMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by xhoser:
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Originally posted by Shane T.:
- 2009 Didier Dagueneau Blanc Fumé de Pouilly (a different league of Sauv Blanc. I'll post some notes on this one


Have you tried the Silex or Pur Sang? If not, you should.


+1.


IIRC the son took over production recently due to the passing of Didier. If correct, what vintage did the change happen and has there been a noticeable change in style or quality? I've only had a couple and enjoyed each immensely.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by snipes:
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Originally posted by wine+art:
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Originally posted by xhoser:
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Originally posted by Shane T.:
- 2009 Didier Dagueneau Blanc Fumé de Pouilly (a different league of Sauv Blanc. I'll post some notes on this one


Have you tried the Silex or Pur Sang? If not, you should.


+1.


IIRC the son took over production recently due to the passing of Didier. If correct, what vintage did the change happen and has there been a noticeable change in style or quality? I've only had a couple and enjoyed each immensely. <