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I'm an R.D.M.D. Don't anyone laugh. That's short for, "Reader's Digest Medical Doctor" and have self-diagnosed myself with gout! Mad I've done my research on this. My internet sources say alcohol and meat are bad. This seriously interferes with a great pleasure, wine and cooking. I'm not too keen on taking prescriptions and am now planning on some changes of my diet--including reducing my wine intake. Mad Mad Any suggestions out there for homeopathic remedies?
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DH- Do something good for yourself and go seek a real medical opinion on it. At the very least you can get a diagnosis confirmation. If something is prescribed and you don't want to take it, then don't, but at least you know for sure what you're dealing with.

I can't tell you the number of patients of mine who said "I thought it was 'blank', so I ignored it", and then it turns out to be something markedly more serious that 'blank', something that could have been fixed easily in the early stages and now has become very bad.

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Yes, but I came here for an argument.

Oh! Oh! I'm sorry, this is abuse.
You may wish to check out a thread I started in August 2002 (I think Confused) about gout. I was diagnosed with it at the time, but 2 further mis-diagnoses (sp?) later found that I had sarcoidosis instead. Hard to say which one would have been worse, but at least with the sarcoid I can drink wine. If and when you go to the doctor you may wish to inquire about sarcoid because it is uncommon and famously hard to diagnose but usually relatively easily treated once it is, though it can be very serious. I still have it 18 months later but thanks to mobicox it is controlled 98% of the time.

snow sucks.......
Drink unsweetened cherry juice-everyday. My dad has gout and his doctor told him to do this. It helps keep occurences and severity down. I guess it has to do with something in the acids of the cherry juice.

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I intend to die in a tavern; let the wine be placed near my dying mouth, so that when the choirs of angels come, they may say, "God be merciful to this drinker!"
Walter Map [Mapes] c. 1140 - c. 1210
De Nugis Curialium
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#1-- you should absolutely see a doctor. If you have gout, it is amenable to treatment. If you have something else, it is probably amenable to treatment. We have a saying in law----The person who represents himself has an idiot for a client.
#2- You wrote: "self-diagnosed myself". That is redundant. I guess it is the pain.
#3- If it is gout, the good news is that this is usually thought to be related to wealth.

Irwin

"Outside of a dog, a book is probably man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read."
-Groucho Marx
Dr. T, if you would only have prescribed vintage port! Wink Yep. I'll see a doctor, but my extended residency in my lavatory with my Reader's Digest curriculum has got to count for something, eh?

Bman, I checked your posting. Hope that condition is not too great an affliction. Dr. T gave you some encouragement there, too. Glad to see that. Thank you for your suggestion. I'll eventually get to a doc, for sure.

Il Duce, I bought a couple bottles of unsweetened black cherry juice today, and will be buying an unsweetened black cherry concentrate from a local health food store.

I have, at long last, arrived! I must be wealthy, as my big toe is killin' me! (Irwin, if I was redundant, it's because I'm an idiot! Wink
And since light travels faster than sound, for those who have thought me bright when they first saw me, all such thoughts were dispelled when they heard me speak LOL!)

Villa, I like your thoughts! I've done some more research, and alcohol may have some effect on elimination of uric acid. I'm definitely going without any wine at least until Valentine's Day. I drink coffee all day long, at least 2 venti Starbucks each day with 2 added shots of espresso with each cup. I'm cutting out coffee altogether for a month.

My gosh, all my great wines bought during the holidays cannot remain corked, whether or not wine affects gout! I'll endure the pain. If I can self-diagnose (myself!) I can also self-administer anaesthesia!
Ach, mine freund, my heart aches for you. No coffee .... aiiieeeeee

Well tea has mylophiline (sp??, it's a looong time since college) which will stabilse myocardia.

Having been given (genetically), the constitution of an ox (not to mention the brains of), I can only empathise.

But I am willing to do my duty. I offer, unconditionally, to drink all those "middled-aged-am-I-going-to die-too-soon" first growths that you have recently purchased. I do this in a feeling of comradeship, pure and simple, not from any self-gratification. It will be a chore, you understand, but duty calls.

bumping this thread, as I had a bout with gout this week. (or maybe pseudogout) Couldn't walk for a few days. 85% better now.  I saw on the internet that "moderate" wine drinking is ok if you have gout.  Thus, I have to cut back.

no need to clutter the thread with a lot of get well wishes, though.  What is odd is that the websites of the Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins and other places give different dietary advice.

@The Old Man posted:

Try your doctor instead of websites.

clever idea, Old Man.

  My family doc retired 8/1, providing about 3 weeks notice. I've been calling around to a variety of docs to find out who is taking new patients, and finally have found one.  I have an appointment.  (I also have a good friend who is a rheumatologist and he has given me some pointers). 

heh I didn't see this.

Since I hit 40, I've had 3 gout attacks with the first two being the most painful.

My drinking habit since then has been an almost complete elimination of beer.  I only drink wine and sake now.

My diet has stayed the same but I am now drinking close to 2 liters of water a day with a morning orange juice and a cup of coffee

I personally would not recommend Colchiccine it was one of the worst meds I've ever taken.

I had a flare up last week after a heavy night of binge drinking 6 pints of guiness followed by some whiskey.  I have a weak constitution against guiness, but the extra water + other liquids I feel helped this round get by very quickly, under 3 days.

For me, taking an advil has helped me cope with the pains of gout.

@g-man posted:

heh I didn't see this.

Since I hit 40, I've had 3 gout attacks with the first two being the most painful.

My drinking habit since then has been an almost complete elimination of beer.  I only drink wine and sake now.

My diet has stayed the same but I am now drinking close to 2 liters of water a day with a morning orange juice and a cup of coffee

I personally would not recommend Colchiccine it was one of the worst meds I've ever taken.

I had a flare up last week after a heavy night of binge drinking 6 pints of guiness followed by some whiskey.  I have a weak constitution against guiness, but the extra water + other liquids I feel helped this round get by very quickly, under 3 days.

For me, taking an advil has helped me cope with the pains of gout.

Beer is supposed to be bad for us folks with gout.  I love my Guinness too, but looks like I'll be laying off the stuff.

I recently experienced my first case of gout (I was going to try to be poetic and say "first bout of gout"), which was no fun.

There are foods and liquids one is supposed to avoid, including alcohol.  "They" say that beer is "worst," followed by distilled liquors, followed by wine.  I saw my Dr yesterday for followup.  He suggests one glass of wine a day (haha!!!) and no beer (that's doable other than in the summer after a long hot day working in the yard; doctor said "nice chilled glass of chablis instead").  But, telling a Scotsman that he can't fucken drink fucken whisky?!

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@haggis posted:

I recently experienced my first case of gout (I was going to try to be poetic and say "first bout of gout"), which was no fun.

There are foods and liquids one is supposed to avoid, including alcohol.  "They" say that beer is "worst," followed by distilled liquors, followed by wine.  I saw my Dr yesterday for followup.  He suggests one glass of wine a day (haha!!!) and no beer (that's doable other than in the summer after a long hot day working in the yard; doctor said "nice chilled glass of chablis instead").  But, telling a Scotsman that he can't fucken drink fucken whisky?!

You poor b'stard!  Happened to me in 2002, the day before a wine supper, in fact.  But it turned out to be something else. 

Ive been getting it every year since I hit 40.

For me its a hydration and circulation issue.  I am drinking almost a gallon of water a day and force myself to walk around every 45 minutes or so.  This plus cherry juice has helped me a bunch.

If I'm going to be doing any sort of heavy drinking I make sure I drink alot of water beforehand

@bman posted:

You poor b'stard!  Happened to me in 2002, the day before a wine supper, in fact.  But it turned out to be something else.

Yes, you are correct on both counts:  I am a poor and I'm a bastard.  Well, you already know that!   And yes, I re-read the early posts and hope that your situation is better than it was, if not completely "cured."

@g-man posted:

Ive been getting it every year since I hit 40.

For me its a hydration and circulation issue.  I am drinking almost a gallon of water a day and force myself to walk around every 45 minutes or so.  This plus cherry juice has helped me a bunch.

If I'm going to be doing any sort of heavy drinking I make sure I drink alot of water beforehand

I've been drinking lots of water for some time, but not as much when I travel (can't be going to the toilet all the time when in meetings or in the air).  That, plus I was taken out for a nice dinner with raw oysters and adult beverages including local beer.  I think dehydration and food/drink is what triggered it.  I'll keep hydrating and running.  I have heard good things about cherry juice (cherries in general) and beet juice.  Both will be part of my diet now.  Thanks for the reminder, and hope the frequency goes down for you.  Every year is not fun.

@haggis posted:

I've been drinking lots of water for some time, but not as much when I travel (can't be going to the toilet all the time when in meetings or in the air).  That, plus I was taken out for a nice dinner with raw oysters and adult beverages including local beer.  I think dehydration and food/drink is what triggered it.  I'll keep hydrating and running.  I have heard good things about cherry juice (cherries in general) and beet juice.  Both will be part of my diet now.  Thanks for the reminder, and hope the frequency goes down for you.  Every year is not fun.

careful of the cherry juice ... too much and it's like moviprep =P



my yearly occurence is typcialyl the week before my birthday where things like oysters, beer, rich fatty foods and wines will be consumed ien masse

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@bman posted:

Congrats!  I think?!

Yeah, it's a mixed blessing.   No worries about drinking wine with arthritis.  However, there are meds that treat gout, but nothing really to treat arthritis.  So, having gout and treating it with allopurinol (or some such med) might actually have been a more favorable outcome.  Just sucks getting old(er).

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