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Greatest pop/rock/popular genre act of the last 25 years...

J jburman82Member
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How about Aerosmith? They had some good albums in the 80's and then reinvened themselves as a boy band in the 90's with all their terrible ballads. Not my cup of tea but very popular.


Actually, their best music was in the 70's - and are you serious?


Am I serious about what? That they got all kinds of terrible once they stopped taking drugs and started putting Liv Tyler and Alicia Silverstone in their vidoes? Yes. Totally.
G g-manMember
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Originally posted by Adam10:
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Originally posted by indybob:
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Originally posted by Vinyrd Skynyrd:
Let's not forget how hugely successful Garth Brooks was throughout the 1990's, although he's kind of dropped off the radar since then.

I've never personally been a fan but thought he deserved a mention.


Good pull. Personally, Country music makes me reach for the mute button, but his fans are fanatical about him. He's not U2, but a top five isn't out of the question.


Q would never go near Country. It's laughable to suggest it. Might as well go with some random Mandarin star from China, because half a billion people might be into said star, assuming one exists. It isn't relevant to their audience.


I believe it'd be canto pop or taiwanese musicians who have been the best selling.

Jay Chou is a taiwanese "pop" musician that sold i think over 20 mm records.

A-mei is also pretty popular.

I think in the cantonese world you have Andy Lau.
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
JC, I think U2 is a clear number 1. We are all discussing #2 and down.

I also think you forget how popular GNR was. The Use Your Illusion realease was a HUGE deal.


They were popular for a 5 year period and then basically disbanded for 5-6 years, then reformed missing key members and completely sucked and bombed. I fully remember Use Your Illusion, popular maybe, but a complete stink-bomb POS. I viewed the point of this to be lasting and continued success - I don't think those bands come close.

Frankly Pearl Jam has had a far longer and more consistent run than GNR although they have onyl been around for about 20 years not 25.

Honestly, I think the Beastie Boys are clearly number 2 without question.

In existence for the full time period, popular the whole time period, -popular with fans, popular with critics, no lineup changes (apart from DJ changes -
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How about Aerosmith? They had some good albums in the 80's and then reinvened themselves as a boy band in the 90's with all their terrible ballads. Not my cup of tea but very popular.


Actually, their best music was in the 70's - and are you serious?


Am I serious about what? That they got all kinds of terrible once they stopped taking drugs and started putting Liv Tyler and Alicia Silverstone in their vidoes? Yes. Totally.


They started sucking in the 80s not the 90s. I meant are you serious that you think they are actually a contender as one of the top acts of the last 25 years?
pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How about Aerosmith? They had some good albums in the 80's and then reinvened themselves as a boy band in the 90's with all their terrible ballads. Not my cup of tea but very popular.


Actually, their best music was in the 70's - and are you serious?


Am I serious about what? That they got all kinds of terrible once they stopped taking drugs and started putting Liv Tyler and Alicia Silverstone in their vidoes? Yes. Totally.


I'm hoping the pretty good 80's aerosmith stuff is what he was referring to. They turned into the worst of worst in the hairband era.

Jamie's crying, love in an elevator, dude looks like a lady? Gag, Gag, Gag...and that song Angel..they are the main reason people blast the 80's
pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
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Originally posted by Adam10:
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Originally posted by The Cabernet of Doctor Caligari:
Pearl Jam at the 20 year mark is a nice call, too.

They have stayed relevant, following their own path.

I'm not a metal guy, but who'd be at the top of that 25 year heap, Metallica?


Without a doubt.


Without Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets in the discussion, not likely.

Crap, I know realize that of the bands I adore the most, their best music is more than 25 years old....ouch!
billhikebillhikeMember
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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
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Originally posted by Adam10:
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Originally posted by The Cabernet of Doctor Caligari:
Pearl Jam at the 20 year mark is a nice call, too.

They have stayed relevant, following their own path.

I'm not a metal guy, but who'd be at the top of that 25 year heap, Metallica?


Without a doubt.


Without Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets in the discussion, not likely.

Crap, I know realize that of the bands I adore the most, their best music is more than 25 years old....ouch!


Personally I think Death Magnetic was a great return to form, and I hope they can duplicate that effort next time out.
A adam10Member
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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
How about Aerosmith? They had some good albums in the 80's and then reinvened themselves as a boy band in the 90's with all their terrible ballads. Not my cup of tea but very popular.


Actually, their best music was in the 70's - and are you serious?


Am I serious about what? That they got all kinds of terrible once they stopped taking drugs and started putting Liv Tyler and Alicia Silverstone in their vidoes? Yes. Totally.


I'm hoping the pretty good 80's aerosmith stuff is what he was referring to. They turned into the worst of worst in the hairband era.

Jamie's crying, love in an elevator, dude looks like a lady? Gag, Gag, Gag...and that song Angel..they are the main reason people blast the 80's


Aerosmith were best when they were on drugs...Get A Grip was huge though...mainly cos we all fancied Silverstone and his daughter...
pinotlvrpinotlvrMember
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Originally posted by Adam10:
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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
Without Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets in the discussion, not likely.


With And Justice and Black Album, still walking it...


They lost their true calling and true fans at the Black Album. Great bands don't need to become commercial bands.

While "One" was commercial off of And justice for all, the album was not, but that is their only real album, in the last 25, though I took them off the radar after St. Anger
A adam10Member
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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
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Originally posted by Adam10:
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Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
Without Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets in the discussion, not likely.


With And Justice and Black Album, still walking it...


They lost their true calling and true fans at the Black Album. Great bands don't need to become commercial bands.

While "One" was commercial off of And justice for all, the album was not, but that is their only real album, in the last 25, though I took them off the radar after St. Anger


Just saying they'd likely be placed as best metal act over the last 25 based on that success...
T thecabernetofdoctorcaligariMember
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Originally posted by indybob:
Michael Jackson, RIP, would have to be in the mix. Say what you will about his bizarreness, and he's not unseating U2 in the #1 hole, but top five? Absolutely. Top two? Very possibly.


Can't let him in.

The 25 year line is a bitch.

All Michael's good stuff misses the dealine.

In the past 25 years, Michael only gave us....

1987, Bad

1991, Dangerous

2001, Invincible

Not to insult his phase of being talented, he just doesn't make the time frame.

"Off The Wall" and "Thriller" predate the category.

When I was a yoot, I had some friends that we had sort of a rotating band with, and we did "PYT" with a guy in our college who was a 400 pound ten foot tall offensive lineman. Ernie was in charge of the "Huh!" (I think he only did the line twice per song, IIRC) that occurs in that song; he got the largest cheers of anyone else who passed through our conglomeration.
T thistlintomMember
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Originally posted by The Cabernet of Doctor Caligari:
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Originally posted by indybob:
Michael Jackson, RIP, would have to be in the mix. Say what you will about his bizarreness, and he's not unseating U2 in the #1 hole, but top five? Absolutely. Top two? Very possibly.




Can't let him in.

The 25 year line is a bitch.

All Michael's good stuff misses the dealine.

In the past 25 years, Michael only gave us....

1987, Bad

1991, Dangerous

2001, Invincible

Not to insult his phase of being talented, he just doesn't make the time frame.

"Off The Wall" and "Thriller" predate the category.

When I was a yoot, I had some friends that we had sort of a rotating band with, and we did "PYT" with a guy in our college who was a 400 pound ten foot tall offensive lineman. Ernie was in charge of the "Huh!" (I think he only did the line twice per song, IIRC) that occurs in that song; he got the largest cheers of anyone else who passed through our conglomeration.

True, but he could sell out stadiums at a drop of a hat during that time.
steve8steve8Member
Another vote for Pavement over U2, but more importantly REM. Let's compare artistic output between the two bands going back to 1986.

1986: Lifes Rich Pageant (REM), nothing from U2

Lifes Rich Pageant is an excellent album including classic songs like Fall on Me, Superman, I Believe and What If We Give It Away.

1987: Document (REM), The Joshua Tree (U2)

REM makes an even stronger album than LRP one year later. U2 release their most popular album and elevate themselves to the stadium level. Is it good? Yes, but I don't ever need to hear Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For again.

1988: Green (REM), Rattle and Hum (U2)

No comparison here. Green is not one of REM's best, but Rattle is just a lame release.

1991: Out of Time (REM), Achtung Baby (U2)

A 3 year break and they both release excellent records. I love both, maybe a slight nod to U2.

1992: Automatic For The People (REM), nothing from U2

Automatic is REM's finest album imho. Understated and a low key release after the success of Losing My Religion.

1993: nothing from REM, Zooropa (U2)

The nausea of Zoowhatever continues for U2. Mediocre album, but at least they wandered from their formulaic song style. A for effort.

1994: Monster (REM), nothing from U2

Overrated in my opinion, but definitely a good record. Gotta like the shift to electric front and center.

1996/1997: New Adventures in Hi-Fi (REM), Pop (U2)

The most lopsided comparison so far. New Adventures is what U2 wished they could have done with Rattle and Hum(job). E-bow The Letter is REM's finest song. Pop is pap.

And that is essentially that. Neither have really done anything high quality since. Bill Berry left REM and he clearly (surprisingly to me) was a vital part of the band. In the 13 year period from 1998 to 2011 U2 has released 3 albums, REM 5. Their latest, Collapse Into Now is probably the best of this period. U2 misnamed the middle release as it should have been called How To Dismantle Your Credibility.

Other factors to consider; Bono is a wanker and has been one since the early 90's. REM had the guts to call it quits before they became a complete parody.

Q got it wrong. REM has been the best over the past 25 years.
T thecabernetofdoctorcaligariMember
Man, that is a great compare/contrast look at REM and U2.

Quiblles:

If you don't dig "Lemon" and "Numb," points off for you.

Points off REM for "Losing My Religion" and "Everybody Hurts."

Those songs....

Maybe we should blame REM for the current horrible affliction of guys in rock music who want to sing about their feelings, or chicks' bodies being wonderlands.

If we can in any way connect an REM influence to James Blunts' abomination about his being too wussified to chat with a girl on a bus, with whom he shared a lifetime in a look, and then goes all falsetto telling her "you're beautiful" in his mind, then I would gladly travel back in time to stab Michael Stipe in the vocal cords.

All in all, though, your take on REM is extremely well done! Kudos for that that!
F fcsMember
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Quiblles:

If you don't dig "Lemon" and "Numb," points off for you.


I was going to mention Zooropa as an amazing record. Those two songs are excellent.


Maybe we should blame REM for the current horrible affliction of guys in rock music who want to sing about their feelings, or chicks' bodies being wonderlands.


Would have been better if he would have just said that their bodies are a playland?
A adam10Member
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Originally posted by steve8:
Another vote for Pavement over U2, but more importantly REM. Let's compare artistic output between the two bands going back to 1986.

1986: Lifes Rich Pageant (REM), nothing from U2

Lifes Rich Pageant is an excellent album including classic songs like Fall on Me, Superman, I Believe and What If We Give It Away.

1987: Document (REM), The Joshua Tree (U2)

REM makes an even stronger album than LRP one year later. U2 release their most popular album and elevate themselves to the stadium level. Is it good? Yes, but I don't ever need to hear Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For again.

1988: Green (REM), Rattle and Hum (U2)

No comparison here. Green is not one of REM's best, but Rattle is just a lame release.

1991: Out of Time (REM), Achtung Baby (U2)

A 3 year break and they both release excellent records. I love both, maybe a slight nod to U2.

1992: Automatic For The People (REM), nothing from U2

Automatic is REM's finest album imho. Understated and a low key release after the success of Losing My Religion.

1993: nothing from REM, Zooropa (U2)

The nausea of Zoowhatever continues for U2. Mediocre album, but at least they wandered from their formulaic song style. A for effort.

1994: Monster (REM), nothing from U2

Overrated in my opinion, but definitely a good record. Gotta like the shift to electric front and center.

1996/1997: New Adventures in Hi-Fi (REM), Pop (U2)

The most lopsided comparison so far. New Adventures is what U2 wished they could have done with Rattle and Hum(job). E-bow The Letter is REM's finest song. Pop is pap.

And that is essentially that. Neither have really done anything high quality since. Bill Berry left REM and he clearly (surprisingly to me) was a vital part of the band. In the 13 year period from 1998 to 2011 U2 has released 3 albums, REM 5. Their latest, Collapse Into Now is probably the best of this period. U2 misnamed the middle release as it should have been called How To Dismantle Your Credibility.

Other factors to consider; Bono is a wanker and has been one since the early 90's. REM had the guts to call it quits before they became a complete parody.

Q got it wrong. REM has been the best over the past 25 years.


Wow that was a bit laboured, mate! Nice work though, but you have to remember it's best ACT. So the live shows in addition to everything you mentioned is the clear deal breaker. U2 live is rather ace.
D dicktreeMember
Ok I must have way too much free time because I actually tried to do some research into this topic. I couldn't quantify artists by combined album sales, live shows, merchandise sales, etc. but a quick review of the top selling albums year by year revealed some interesting trends.

A few performers seem to show time and again including Mariah Carey, Garth Brooks, and Eminem. Janet Jackson and Bon Jovi appear a lot in the 80's and 90's but not so much there after.

If you want to look through the information go here ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...albums_of_1986_(U.S.)
and you can select the specific year from a list at the bottom of the page.
T thirstymanMember
I think leaving Garth Brooks out of the discussion is a mistake. He brought much of country mainstream. He also killed the "country" sound that many old school country fans miss. He is in semi-retirement. He announced on October 28 that he was going to do a tribute show in Nashville after the flood in 2010 to raise money for the flood victims. He sold out immediately. He then decided to add 8 dates which also sold out almost immediately. He raised millions for flooded out people in Nashville. He is also doing a "stripped down" verison of his act in Vegas off and on. Remember he was one of the first country acts to treat the show as a show and not just a guy in front of a microphone.

On that same note, Johnny Cash was tailing off at the begining of the 25 year period (still sold out shows all over the US) and then he hooked up with Rubin and suddenly he was a top act again. Probably not in the top 2-5, but in the top 10.

Alan Jackson also shot to the top during his time and included many cross over hits... Although his shows are more of a return to guy with a guitar in front of a mic. Probably not in the top 5...

I guess I need a better understanding of the parameters. Both Garth and Cash crossed genre lines, no offense to U2, REM and others mentioned, but they weren't dragging country fans, punk fans, etc to their concerts....

Green day also hit the scene in the early 90s and puts on a great show and I have really enjoyed their albums.

Finally, Jimmy Buffet has continued to sell out shows whereever he goes and people continue to wear those stupid parrot hats (and i like his music).

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W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by thirsty man:
I think leaving Garth Brooks out of the discussion is a mistake. He brought much of country mainstream. He also killed the "country" sound that many old school country fans miss. He is in semi-retirement. He announced on October 28 that he was going to do a tribute show in Nashville after the flood in 2010 to raise money for the flood victims. He sold out immediately. He then decided to add 8 dates which also sold out almost immediately. He raised millions for flooded out people in Nashville. He is also doing a "stripped down" verison of his act in Vegas off and on. Remember he was one of the first country acts to treat the show as a show and not just a guy in front of a microphone.

On that same note, Johnny Cash was tailing off at the begining of the 25 year period (still sold out shows all over the US) and then he hooked up with Rubin and suddenly he was a top act again. Probably not in the top 2-5, but in the top 10.

Alan Jackson also shot to the top during his time and included many cross over hits... Although his shows are more of a return to guy with a guitar in front of a mic. Probably not in the top 5...

I guess I need a better understanding of the parameters. Both Garth and Cash crossed genre lines, no offense to U2, REM and others mentioned, but they weren't dragging country fans, punk fans, etc to their concerts....



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A adam10Member
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Originally posted by thirsty man:
I think leaving Garth Brooks out of the discussion is a mistake. He brought much of country mainstream. He also killed the "country" sound that many old school country fans miss. He is in semi-retirement. He announced on October 28 that he was going to do a tribute show in Nashville after the flood in 2010 to raise money for the flood victims. He sold out immediately. He then decided to add 8 dates which also sold out almost immediately. He raised millions for flooded out people in Nashville. He is also doing a "stripped down" verison of his act in Vegas off and on. Remember he was one of the first country acts to treat the show as a show and not just a guy in front of a microphone.

On that same note, Johnny Cash was tailing off at the begining of the 25 year period (still sold out shows all over the US) and then he hooked up with Rubin and suddenly he was a top act again. Probably not in the top 2-5, but in the top 10.

Alan Jackson also shot to the top during his time and included many cross over hits... Although his shows are more of a return to guy with a guitar in front of a mic. Probably not in the top 5...

I guess I need a better understanding of the parameters. Both Garth and Cash crossed genre lines, no offense to U2, REM and others mentioned, but they weren't dragging country fans, punk fans, etc to their concerts....

Green day also hit the scene in the early 90s and puts on a great show and I have really enjoyed their albums.

Finally, Jimmy Buffet has continued to sell out shows whereever he goes and people continue to wear those stupid parrot hats (and i like his music).

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Again, it's Q magazine.
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