Never thought I'd be so interested in GA politics.
PH
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@purplehaze posted:Never thought I'd be so interested in GA politics.
PH
Same here. Though I'm not hopeful.
will be a bloody, nasty fight. Repubs refuse to lose the senate
I'll go out on a limb and say they split 1 + 1. Perdue retakes his seat but Loeffler is sent packing.
Crackers gonna crack.
@wineismylife posted:I'll go out on a limb and say they split 1 + 1. Perdue retakes his seat but Loeffler is sent packing.
This is my thinking so far. That said, Stacey Abrams did a bang up job turning out the vote in Georgia for the general election . She's apparently reenergized to do it again for the runoffs. I'll send a few bucks south just to fuck with the bastards.
PH
Why would someone from Georgia vote in these runoffs and vote for one Democrat and one Republican?
@irwin posted:Why would someone from Georgia vote in these runoffs and vote for one Democrat and one Republican?
I'm viewing more as voting against Loeffler. Republicans still win Georgia and usually fairly easily. But I'm thinking many think Loeffler is toxic and want her out of there. Her opponent is very popular in Georgia and his is a black man and pollsters like Stacy Abrams did turn out the black vote in record numbers this general election so my theory is most Georgians will vote to keep Perdue but jettison Loeffler. Just a theory.
@wineismylife posted:I'm viewing more as voting against Loeffler. Republicans still win Georgia and usually fairly easily. But I'm thinking many think Loeffler is toxic and want her out of there. Her opponent is very popular in Georgia and his is a black man and pollsters like Stacy Abrams did turn out the black vote in record numbers this general election so my theory is most Georgians will vote to keep Perdue but jettison Loeffler. Just a theory.
I hope you're half right!
If you're whole right I think Democrats will wind up offering Collins the moon to declare herself an independent and caucus with the Dems. I don't know if she would take it, though.
I'm very well acquainted with unsavory language, yet I have little ability accurately to put into words my loathing for McConnell or the destruction I believe his rule of the Senate and Senate Republicans has caused.
There will be, on both sides, some heavy "get out the vote" efforts. You won't be able to watch television in Georgia without being pummeled by political ads.
Collins and Murkowski will yield much power for sure, and may swing a vote here and there. They are not likely to caucus with the Democrats. On the other hand, Joe Manchin of West Virginia is a Democrat who sometimes votes with the Republicans. He's up for re-election in 2024. He's around 73--he may well run for re-election. We shall see.
@irwin posted:There will be, on both sides, some heavy "get out the vote" efforts. You won't be able to watch television in Georgia without being pummeled by political ads.
Collins and Murkowski will yield much power for sure, and may swing a vote here and there. They are not likely to caucus with the Democrats. On the other hand, Joe Manchin of West Virginia is a Democrat who sometimes votes with the Republicans. He's up for re-election in 2024. He's around 73--he may well run for re-election. We shall see.
Manchin voted to convict and remove Trump from office (and against 2 Trump SC nominees). He is (or was) the most popular state politician in WV, but could never withstand a Republican primary.
I agree the most likely scenario is no deals are struck.
As one who doesn't even think Joe Biden is going to ever step foot in the White House, I'd say the odds of the Democrats winning the Senate are zero.
@The Old Man posted:As one who doesn't even think Joe Biden is going to ever step foot in the White House, I'd say the odds of the Democrats winning the Senate are zero.
Why do you think Biden won’t step foot n the White House??
@irwin posted:Why do you think Biden won’t step foot n the White House??
As I've expressed elsewhere here, I don't believe Trump is leaving. Our democracy ends in January. I'll be happy to be wrong but this is playing out exactly the way I thought it would go.
Does anyone think the two Dems haver a shot of winning? Polls say it's close with the Republicans holding a very small lead. But seems polls can be way off these days.
Sure, if they cheat again and steal this one too.
@irwin posted:Why do you think Biden won’t step foot n the White House??
Jan 19th, Martial law is declared and the military comes in.
High mail in participation along with record early voting. Small lines at the polls today. Dare we hope? Nah... probably not.
PH
i honestly thing trump fucked the gop over on this one. loeffler was already unpopular, but siding with trump who's been saying the vote doesnt matter cuz i'm gonna win anyway means alot of his fan base probably isn't voting.
@wineismylife posted:I'll go out on a limb and say they split 1 + 1. Perdue retakes his seat but Loeffler is sent packing.
Damn, Joe. I hope you're wrong but it's looking like you called it right. Here's hoping you're equally as good in Vegas, although I'm guessing that's not the case since you dislike Vegas.
I'm thinking the Loeffler did herself in by what I recall as a flip-flop on deciding to challenge the electoral college vote.
Oh, I'm hoping I was premature in that post. I've seen elsewhere that the remaining vote counts are from heavily Democratic counties, so time will tell.
Maybe Joe is right to want to stay out of Vegas. 
@sd-wineaux posted:Damn, Joe. I hope you're wrong but it's looking like you called it right. Here's hoping you're equally as good in Vegas, although I'm guessing that's not the case since you dislike Vegas.
I'm thinking the Loeffler did herself in by what I recall as a flip-flop on deciding to challenge the electoral college vote.
Well, Warnock will win. It is fairly silly that one hasn't been called. The New York Times, The Economist, and the people who know things online all say Ossoff will win as well on account of where, what, and how much vote is left to count. I'm optimistic, but I've been burned before, so we'll see, but Warnock is a done deal, and most people who know things think Ossoff is, too, despite being behind by about 1,322 votes as I type this.
I'm as giddy as a liddle girl!
one down, one in process. Jon ahead by 16,000votes. More to come. Good Bye Mitch, don't let the doorknob hit you in the butt on the way out.
Well it isn't officially over yet but I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong. 
@bman posted:I'm as giddy as a liddle girl!
U de man, b.
I heard someone say............ "Not since General Sherman has one man done so much damage to the state of Georgia as Donald Trump”
I had to admit it, I called this one wrong thankfully.
@The Old Man posted:I had to admit it, I called this one wrong thankfully.
I’m pleasantly surprised. This kept the day from being a complete disaster - barely.
I retired from all political politics years ago...
Only business politics for me since 2018; makes less enemies, more clients and customers.
@billhike posted:This kept the day from being a complete disaster - barely.
I actually disagree. The dem majority of the senate is a huge deal...the major outcome of the day, and one which, in my view, is the main story. That the world witnessed, the 12 separatists senators included, what a delusional mob stoked by a demagogue is capable of, is icing on the cake. This effectively ended the political posturing of Ted Cruz and his fellow bootlickers who knew they were doing nothing more than pandering to the 'base.' We'll see the election results certified by the AM.
While watching the coverage, several of the pundits noted the absence of a quick and strong police response. The flat-footedness of the respond actually additionally served a purpose....forcible violence at removing the mob would have solidified diehard, to potential martyrdom, and possibly ended in an A14 assault (there were no doubt many brought to DC today), by a group of gun nuts. By allowing the mob to mostly disintegrate on thier own de-escalated the situation. I might be giving too much credit, but perhaps law enforcement has taken notes on Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Ammon Bundy affair..
When you fail to rein in a tyrant, the tyrant gets more tyrannical.
Personally, I am hopeful that this ends the presidential aspirations of Cruz and his cohorts. It is ridiculous to call Ted Cruz a "constitutional scholar" as I heard the other day. The most important class in law school as far as I am concerned was "Evidence". It's all about evidence. Gathering it and presenting it.
Foaming at the mouth is not evidence. Making outlandish and unsupportable claims is not evidence. It is very easy to allege facts. Proving them requires, well, proof. Every lawyer knows that, or at least ought to.
The havoc of yesterday's unmasked, unsupportable, and unAmerican protest will continue as the protesters return to their communities and spread virus. This may have been the superist of superspreaders.
@jabe11 posted:I actually disagree. The dem majority of the senate is a huge deal...the major outcome of the day, and one which, in my view, is the main story. That the world witnessed, the 12 separatists senators included, what a delusional mob stoked by a demagogue is capable of, is icing on the cake. This effectively ended the political posturing of Ted Cruz and his fellow bootlickers who knew they were doing nothing more than pandering to the 'base.' We'll see the election results certified by the AM.
While watching the coverage, several of the pundits noted the absence of a quick and strong police response. The flat-footedness of the respond actually additionally served a purpose....forcible violence at removing the mob would have solidified diehard, to potential martyrdom, and possibly ended in an A14 assault (there were no doubt many brought to DC today), by a group of gun nuts. By allowing the mob to mostly disintegrate on thier own de-escalated the situation. I might be giving too much credit, but perhaps law enforcement has taken notes on Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Ammon Bundy affair..
So the best action was to allow the first incursion into our Capitol since 1814? The Capitol is one of the three most important seats of government and it was breached. You're saying they couldn't have prepared properly and had enough bodies out there to at least block the entry into this building? Better to let rioters rampage through this important building, grabbing and photographing government documents and breaking into Congress people's offices?
BTW, here's what the Capitol looked like when BLM came to town.
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The Old Man wrote:
"So the best action was to allow the first incursion into our Capitol since 1814?"
History lesson: In 1954 Puerto Rican nationalists entered the House chamber and from the gallery fired around 30 shots toward the floor, wounding 5 congressmen, one of whom was George Fallon, from Maryland. All survived. These Puerto Rican folks were in favor of independence from the US. They wound up in jail until Jimmy Carter pardoned them in the late 1970's. (We have a federal office bldg named for Fallon in downtown Baltimore).
So, this was the 3rd incursion into the Capitol, not the second, as The Old Man implies.
@irwin posted:The Old Man wrote:
"So the best action was to allow the first incursion into our Capitol since 1814?"
History lesson: In 1954 Puerto Rican nationalists entered the House chamber and from the gallery fired around 30 shots toward the floor, wounding 5 congressmen, one of whom was George Fallon, from Maryland. All survived. These Puerto Rican folks were in favor of independence from the US. They wound up in jail until Jimmy Carter pardoned them in the late 1970's. (We have a federal office bldg named for Fallon in downtown Baltimore).
So, this was the 3rd incursion into the Capitol, not the second, as The Old Man implies.
I stand corrected. You would think, with that history and the knowledge of the Trump crowd, that they would have done a better job protecting the Capitol.
You would think. I mean, here in Baltimore, when there is a forecast of snow, people go out and buy toilet paper, snow melt, snow shovels. When there is a forecast of a hurricane coming, people in the path board up their windows. When 7000 or 8000 angry jerks march on the Capitol, and broadcast their intentions on social media, it does not take a rocket scientist to know that the building and the people in it need protection.
@irwin posted:The Old Man wrote:
"So the best action was to allow the first incursion into our Capitol since 1814?"
History lesson: In 1954 Puerto Rican nationalists entered the House chamber and from the gallery fired around 30 shots toward the floor, wounding 5 congressmen, one of whom was George Fallon, from Maryland. All survived. These Puerto Rican folks were in favor of independence from the US. They wound up in jail until Jimmy Carter pardoned them in the late 1970's. (We have a federal office bldg named for Fallon in downtown Baltimore).
So, this was the 3rd incursion into the Capitol, not the second, as The Old Man implies.
Irwin,
You need to tell CNN, NBC, MSNBC all this. They have been wrong for last two days. Thanks for the update, I forgot about that.
Loeffler concedes
Purdue "mobilize every available resource and exhaust every legal recourse" Sounds like a trumpy to me.
@flwino posted:Loeffler concedes
Purdue "mobilize every available resource and exhaust every legal recourse" Sounds like a trumpy to me.
Another way in which Trump has damaged our country. The new thing is that no Democrat ever wins legitimately. The Republican way is if voter suppression doesn't work pretend there was voter fraud.
@The Old Man posted:Another way in which Trump has damaged our country. The new thing is that no Democrat ever wins legitimately. The Republican way is if voter suppression doesn't work pretend there was voter fraud.
Exactly. "Heads I win, tails you lose"