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Game of Thrones [The TV Show Only; Please No Spoilers Based Upon the Books]

S slipperypeteMember
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
It is also possible that he is dead and that his blood is the "king's blood" needed for Melissandre to do her work.


hm.... That's a possibility I haven't considered before. It seem unlikely since there is no indication (on the TV show at least) he has king's blood or Melisandre's knowledge of it. In anycase, we'll have to see in 10 months.
S seaquamMember
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Originally posted by Slippery Pete:
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Originally posted by winetarelli:
It is also possible that he is dead and that his blood is the "king's blood" needed for Melissandre to do her work.


hm.... That's a possibility I haven't considered before. It seem unlikely since there is no indication (on the TV show at least) he has king's blood or Melisandre's knowledge of it. In anycase, we'll have to see in 10 months.



I hadn't considered that either. I usually think of Ned Stark as a Lord, so Jon has noble blood but not royal blood.

However, I do recall some references to 'the king in the North,' the area which House Stark ruled, so maybe Jon does actually have royal blood. Hmmm...
J jburman82Member
There are also rumors he's the son of Robert and Ned's sister or some Targarean and Ned's sister which would make his blood kings blood.

I'm coming around to he will get revived. It's just too big a story shift this late in the process to do. If he is dead how do they bring the white walkers back into the story until they overrun the wall and kill everyone? Does Sir Allister really take a leading role now. He's such a flat, one dimensional character I can't see him being a lead.
S spoMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
There are also rumors he's the son of Robert and Ned's sister or some Targarean and Ned's sister which would make his blood kings blood.

I'm coming around to he will get revived. It's just too big a story shift this late in the process to do. If he is dead how do they bring the white walkers back into the story until they overrun the wall and kill everyone? Does Sir Allister really take a leading role now. He's such a flat, one dimensional character I can't see him being a lead.


He has to be dead and gone.

The key to defeating the white walkers is the girl with the dragons. Not the Night's watch, they are little more than a bunch of f#@K ups. While people may think her story is going nowhere she will become relevant.
J jburman82Member
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Originally posted by spo:
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Originally posted by jburman82:
There are also rumors he's the son of Robert and Ned's sister or some Targarean and Ned's sister which would make his blood kings blood.

I'm coming around to he will get revived. It's just too big a story shift this late in the process to do. If he is dead how do they bring the white walkers back into the story until they overrun the wall and kill everyone? Does Sir Allister really take a leading role now. He's such a flat, one dimensional character I can't see him being a lead.


He has to be dead and gone.

The key to defeating the white walkers is the girl with the dragons. Not the Night's watch, they are little more than a bunch of f#@K ups. While people may think her story is going nowhere she will become relevant.


Dont really agree he has to be dead and gone. They have spent so much time buidling his character, more than any other on the show with the possible exception of Danny, I cant see them totally changing course in their story telling.

I agree dragons are probably the key but there are three of them who need riders. If Jon's lineage is Targarean then he could ride one of them making him pretty darn indespensible. The who story is called a song of Fire and Ice which pretty much sums up Jon's parents(Targarean/Stark).

If he is really dead Martin is dick who is only interested in fing with people.
S spoMember
Jburman82, the last 5 seasons of the show have had no problem killing off key character after key character so I don't or didn't see a reason for his death to be any different.The world still goes on and another person enters.

But... I have not read the books and you're comments are interesting. I had not even thought about or realized any of that.

I still think he is dead though... but I thought Stannis would kill the Boltons and Jon Snow would end up in a situation where he had to help Stanis.

I am looking forward to season 6.
J jburman82Member
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Originally posted by spo:
Jburman82, the last 5 seasons of the show have had no problem killing off key character after key character so I don't or didn't see a reason for his death to be any different.The world still goes on and another person enters.

But... I have not read the books and you're comments are interesting. I had not even thought about or realized any of that.

I still think he is dead though... but I thought Stannis would kill the Boltons and Jon Snow would end up in a situation where he had to help Stanis.

I am looking forward to season 6.


I havent read the books either but I did go down the rabbit hole after the episode. I even listened to a few GOT podcasts. doh
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by jburman82:
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Originally posted by spo:
Jburman82, the last 5 seasons of the show have had no problem killing off key character after key character so I don't or didn't see a reason for his death to be any different.The world still goes on and another person enters.

But... I have not read the books and you're comments are interesting. I had not even thought about or realized any of that.

I still think he is dead though... but I thought Stannis would kill the Boltons and Jon Snow would end up in a situation where he had to help Stanis.

I am looking forward to season 6.


I havent read the books either but I did go down the rabbit hole after the episode. I even listened to a few GOT podcasts. doh


There cannot be any spoilers anymore as the show has reached and/or passed the books in some spots now.

Obviously GRRM and the showrunners do not shy away from misdirection and killing characters thought to be important. Stop reading if you are not interested in fan theory, do not want to be told of any book details in case you want to read them and have some surprises and specualtion from the crumbs that have been laid out. As said, there are countless sites and threads where these issues have been discussed for the last 4 years since the last book came out.


The way the books are structured, there is Prologue that often involves minor or never before seen characters in a situation generally not part of the direct narrative that sets forth a scene that is intended to give information that is highly important later in the story. In A Dance With Dragons, the prologue involves Varamyr Sixskins - a skinchanger who we encountered earlier mounted on a snow bear who also controlled other animals. The scene is of his death (following the battle of the wall he is stabbed by a wildling child after he steals the kid's mother's coast and perhaps killed her - I don't recall precisely) - The Prologue is entirely about him warging into one of his wolves as he dies and provides flashbacks of the lessons he learned about skin-changing from his mentor who he ultimatyely kills and his back story. These prologues have purposes in the story and as Bran is getting instruction from Blooraven by the tree, the purpose of this is to give information to the readers on death and warging. In the books, Jon has often seen through Ghost's eyes; tasted what Ghost eas eating etc. just as Arya has seen through cats' eyes and seen what Nymeria and her pack are doing. Jon saying Ghost at the stabbing is for a reason. Jon's ancestry as a secret Targ is relevant

Now - no one knows the details and they may be screwing with us entirely. The movie and books are going to go different routes also I believe. I think there is no doubt in the Books that Jon is going to Warg into Ghost either to heal or bide his time until Mel brings him back in some fashion - In the show, I expect they will skip the Warging as the show seems to hate the wolves and the concept of skin changing and Mel will revive him directly somehow. Into what, I have no idea. So there me be a franken-body, he may be some kind of good wight or red walker instead of a white walker, there may be a new actor, he may be a form of Lady Stoneheart, or it may just be a different version of Jon like White Gandalf. In any event, no one yet knows exactly where the story is going but I am very confident that some form of Jon Snow will be involved going forward whatever that form is.
thelostversethelostverseMember
George R.R. Martin was at the Northwestern football game last Saturday to be honored as a notable alumnus. After the presentation on the field (during which he received a standing ovation), he walked past the home field stands. I was shocked at the reaction of those around me as he walked by. People were falling all over themselves trying to get his picture and screaming his name. There was a Penn State fan sitting in front of me who said he didn't care about the outcome of the game anymore as seeing Martin made his day. I can't remember ever seeing this kind of fan reaction for anyone other than professional athletes or musicians.
W wine+artMember
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Originally posted by thelostverse:
George R.R. Martin was at the Northwestern football game last Saturday to be honored as a notable alumnus. After the presentation on the field (during which he received a standing ovation), he walked past the home field stands. I was shocked at the reaction of those around me as he walked by. People were falling all over themselves trying to get his picture and screaming his name. There was a Penn State fan sitting in front of me who said he didn't care about the outcome of the game anymore as seeing Martin made his day. I can't remember ever seeing this kind of fan reaction for anyone other than professional athletes or musicians.


Ha. He lives here in Santa Fe and I see him often. He always looks homeless while in Santa Fe.

Santa Fe is a very small community with a lot of celebrities living here but no one pays any attention overall. He bought and renovated the Jean Cocteau cinema which I go to often. He is there often but not too sure people truly know who he is sometimes.
The Old ManThe Old ManMember
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Originally posted by wine+art:
Ha. He lives here in Santa Fe and I see him often. He always looks homeless while in Santa Fe.

Santa Fe is a very small community with a lot of celebrities living here but no one pays any attention overall. He bought and renovated the Jean Cocteau cinema which I go to often. He is there often but not too sure people truly know who he is sometimes.

Now tell us when you start reading the books. And oh yeah, please get me a full set of the series to date autographed. Thank you.
The Old ManThe Old ManMember
Martin confirms what we thought would happen; book 6 will not be out before the TV show resumes. (He blames, among other things, his running of W+A's favorite theater, the Jean Cocteau.)

This means that the show will be spoiling the books (and of course book readers will no longer have inside knowledge.) I personally consider this a good thing because I believe the Martin has lost his way. The show was smart enough to not only push, and reduce, books 4 and 5 together thereby cutting out tons of padding and stalling.
J jcocktostenMember
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Originally posted by The Old Man:
Martin confirms what we thought would happen; book 6 will not be out before the TV show resumes. (He blames, among other things, his running of W+A's favorite theater, the Jean Cocteau.)

This means that the show will be spoiling the books (and of course book readers will no longer have inside knowledge.) I personally consider this a good thing because I believe the Martin has lost his way. The show was smart enough to not only push, and reduce, books 4 and 5 together thereby cutting out tons of padding and stalling.


Yup, no surprise here
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