Overall entertaining episode. Story was crafted for Shireen to be burnt the whole time. Horrible. Enjoyed the Harpy scene and the dragon although confused as to why the Harpy killed Hizdahr
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Overall entertaining episode. Story was crafted for Shireen to be burnt the whole time. Horrible. Enjoyed the Harpy scene and the dragon although confused as to why the Harpy killed Hizdahr
Because the Director didn't read the books.
Still did not make much sense - I thought they also suggested in the show that he was part of if not the leader - I could be wrong
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Still did not make much sense - I thought they also suggested in the show that he was part of if not the leader - I could be wrong
Well, he wasn't exactly their leader, but he was the head of one of the great houses of Mereen. So kinda like a Kardashian.
They probably killed him for being a collaborator and insider with Daenarys instead of being on their side.
quote:Originally posted by Danyull:
So kinda like a Kardashian.
Uggghhh...
I hate how Stannis went from a hard but principled leader into an anus.
I hate how Stannis went from a hard but principled leader into an anus.
quote:Originally posted by Danyull:
Uggghhh...
I hate how Stannis went from a hard but principled leader into an anus.
To set this up, somehow the best military commander in Westeros had his entire supply line destroyed by a psycho with 20 men - perfectly logical.
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:quote:Originally posted by Danyull:
Uggghhh...
I hate how Stannis went from a hard but principled leader into an anus.
To set this up, somehow the best military commander in Westeros had his entire supply line destroyed by a psycho with 20 men - perfectly logical.
Or some of the most elite soldiers in Essos are easily killed by a mob of rich people with short swords. And the beloved common people that outnumber them 10:1 don't want to get involved.
Well, Ramsey is an omniscient supervillain...
Oops, my comment was supposed to be directly below Jcocktosten...
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:quote:Originally posted by Danyull:
Uggghhh...
I hate how Stannis went from a hard but principled leader into an anus.
To set this up, somehow the best military commander in Westeros had his entire supply line destroyed by a psycho with 20 men - perfectly logical.
It's not. But the weather was the perfect storm (no pun intended) for defenses to be less than ideal, especially when the majority of Stannis' army is made up of sellswords who aren't used to life in cold climates.
What was illogical to me was how the camp could go up in flames so quickly when there's icy conditions everywhere. The amount of accelerant needed to accomplish that would require way more than 20 men to transport and deploy.
quote:Originally posted by fusionstorm:
What was illogical to me was how the camp could go up in flames so quickly when there's icy conditions everywhere. The amount of accelerant needed to accomplish that would require way more than 20 men to transport and deploy.
They've been storing Gelignite to use for just such an occasion.
If what I think is going to happen actually happens, Im done with the show.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
If what I think is going to happen actually happens, Im done with the show.
Would recommend you re-think that - some things are not as final as they may seem
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
If what I think is going to happen actually happens, Im done with the show.
If it is something that actually happened in the 5th book, then I imagine its such a major thing, they at least have to make it happen....or at least make it seem like it will happen. If we are thinking of same thing, I'd say the last episode set it up.
quote:Originally posted by Pinotlvr:quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
If what I think is going to happen actually happens, Im done with the show.
If it is something that actually happened in the 5th book, then I imagine its such a major thing, they at least have to make it happen....or at least make it seem like it will happen. If we are thinking of same thing, I'd say the last episode set it up.
The stare and walk away last episode combined with Sam's talk with the little f%&ker has me convinced.
Im tired of them killing the only characters I like. If they kill him, there is only one character left(Tyrion) I like. Im not watching an hour of TV for just for his 5 minutes of screen time each week.
JC, if they kill him and bring him back to life thats just ridiculous.
quote:Originally posted by jburman82:quote:Originally posted by Pinotlvr:quote:Originally posted by jburman82:
If what I think is going to happen actually happens, Im done with the show.
If it is something that actually happened in the 5th book, then I imagine its such a major thing, they at least have to make it happen....or at least make it seem like it will happen. If we are thinking of same thing, I'd say the last episode set it up.
The stare and walk away last episode combined with Sam's talk with the little f%&ker has me convinced.
Im tired of them killing the only characters I like. If they kill him, there is only one character left(Tyrion) I like. Im not watching an hour of TV for just for his 5 minutes of screen time each week.
JC, if they kill him and bring him back to life thats just ridiculous.
Watch for Ghost - This is no spoilers so I am not saying anything else on it until after next week-
I'll give it a shot but Im so resigned to whats going to happen Im not looking forward to the finale at all
I get on the Oasis of the Seas tomorrow, but I'm going to be at least a week late in watching this 
. I'll have to stay away from this thread once I get back until I can watch!
. I'll have to stay away from this thread once I get back until I can watch!quote:Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
I get on the Oasis of the Seas tomorrow, but I'm going to be at least a week late in watching this
Bon Voyage Pinotlvr.
quote:Originally posted by Pinotlvr:
I get on the Oasis of the Seas tomorrow, but I'm going to be at least a week late in watching this
And every other internet site.
Jon has an unholy ally, albeit one that's far away. But we'll have to wait until 2016 to see how it plays out.
quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:
Jon has an unholy ally, albeit one that's far away. But we'll have to wait until 2016 to see how it plays out.
Yup
I guess wine forums have highly analytical people. Despite some issues you guys point out about plausibility I really enjoy this show. I love all the characters too. Cold hearted villians to noble do gooders. This show is awesome!
I hated the last episode, it was a character assassination of Stannis. While I understand the show is soon passing the book in terms of progress, and stories must diverge paths sooner or later. But that was just bad writing and I just can't let that slide as an audience. It didn't fit Stannis Iron-like character to do something like that. After all he has been through, including starved in Storms End for a year without surrendering, now he suddenly sacrifice his blood 1 day after he lost some supplies and horses??? It just doesn't make sense. Having said that, the actor, Stephen Dillane, was great at his protrayal of the douchy version of Stannis.
Extra Info for anyone interested: Book 5 Stannis vs Season 5 Stannis
*May contain spoilers concerning S5 Episode 9*
Also, Ayra 's story arc has been pretty boring this season, it served no purpose nor any entertainment value in the entire season. WTF was that all about ? Mace Tyrell's singing gig may give 1/10 audience a dry chuckle at best, while Myern Trant's "Too Old" one liner only garnered him some Pedo-bear-like celebrity status on the internet. Overall there was no character development of any sorts, hell, Ayra didn't even killed anyone this season.
And The Kingslayer - Doran Martell story arc was one of the worse to watch. Obyern's lady was ready to start a war by murdering a child. Next thing you know it's one big happy family again. "oh I am Sorry, I didn't think this through, it's probably a misunderstanding, let's be friends". For a moment, I thought I was watching some crap like days of our lives or General Hospital. Thank goodness the Sand-snake's boobie scene single-handedly saved that entire story arc.
I am with JB on this one. I am on the edge of dropping this show. S1-S4 was my all time fav, S5 has been lackluster, and I suppect Season 6 will be worse. All because D&D have no talents in writing their own story besides following George R.R. Martin's script. Saying this may seem harsh, but I predict Season 6 will be a letdown compare to the previous.
Extra Info for anyone interested: Book 5 Stannis vs Season 5 Stannis
*May contain spoilers concerning S5 Episode 9*
Also, Ayra 's story arc has been pretty boring this season, it served no purpose nor any entertainment value in the entire season. WTF was that all about ? Mace Tyrell's singing gig may give 1/10 audience a dry chuckle at best, while Myern Trant's "Too Old" one liner only garnered him some Pedo-bear-like celebrity status on the internet. Overall there was no character development of any sorts, hell, Ayra didn't even killed anyone this season.
And The Kingslayer - Doran Martell story arc was one of the worse to watch. Obyern's lady was ready to start a war by murdering a child. Next thing you know it's one big happy family again. "oh I am Sorry, I didn't think this through, it's probably a misunderstanding, let's be friends". For a moment, I thought I was watching some crap like days of our lives or General Hospital. Thank goodness the Sand-snake's boobie scene single-handedly saved that entire story arc.
I am with JB on this one. I am on the edge of dropping this show. S1-S4 was my all time fav, S5 has been lackluster, and I suppect Season 6 will be worse. All because D&D have no talents in writing their own story besides following George R.R. Martin's script. Saying this may seem harsh, but I predict Season 6 will be a letdown compare to the previous.
As predicted Jon does have an unholy, if bummed out, ally.
An absolutely great season, kicking the books' butt every episode. Count me thrilled.
An absolutely great season, kicking the books' butt every episode. Count me thrilled.
My opinion is S5 Episode 10 has gone full retard. 
Hopefully they can write a better story for S6, now that the show is outpacing the book. But I wouldn't bet on that. Your guess is as good as mine as to what happen afterwards. Anyways, my thoughts on this episode.
1st. Brienne and Pod aren't even Northerners, How did they not get found out by Guards/Scouts while lurking near a City that is soon under Siege? And how did they made contact to the locals to know about the candle and the tower signal thing??? And she just happens to pinpoint Stannis 's location in a battle of 10000 people ??? seems legit.
2nd. Doran Martell... what happen to Mercella made him like a clown losing control. The guy may be in wheelchair, but he is certainly calling the shots. By doing that poison scene, it just makes him looks weak, and eventually force his hands going to war, doing a vengeful woman's bidding. It's like one episode he is Don Corleone, one episode he is reduced to an errand boy. I don't like how they are portraying him here.
3rd. Mellisandra running and crying scene, running into Davos, that just doesn't feel right to me. She's not her deceptive and mysterious self, and that just seems... out of place.
4th. Stannis... I won't elaborate much but I guess no one saw that coming, probably not even GRRM. The show made him a self-destructive suicidal fool, but in fact he is a great tactican; stubborn, but not suicidal. And how did the Sell swords left overnight without anyone noticing? you think someone as competent as Stannis won't notice and do something about it? and it just so happens the sellswords owns ALL of the horses ??? come on ....
5th. Ayra. Finally 1 enjoyable scene
6th. Jon. This was widely expected to happen by book readers (just in a slightly different manner in the books). I think many people are on the same idea suspecting "something" significant will happen after this. So many fan girls gonna be raged.
7th Cersei 's Penance walk. A very good scene, wanted to see her suffer since Season 1. But I couldn't help noticing Quyburn didn't announce who the knight was. For those find small details interesting, you might have suspected he's the revived zombizied Mountain. His alias is Ser Robert Strong. (before Tywin died, he thought they should announce the mountain's death to appease the Martell's from declaring War. So now, he has a new name and helmet covering up his face) Anyways, that's just some interesting info aside.
Hopefully they can write a better story for S6, now that the show is outpacing the book. But I wouldn't bet on that. Your guess is as good as mine as to what happen afterwards. Anyways, my thoughts on this episode.1st. Brienne and Pod aren't even Northerners, How did they not get found out by Guards/Scouts while lurking near a City that is soon under Siege? And how did they made contact to the locals to know about the candle and the tower signal thing??? And she just happens to pinpoint Stannis 's location in a battle of 10000 people ??? seems legit.
2nd. Doran Martell... what happen to Mercella made him like a clown losing control. The guy may be in wheelchair, but he is certainly calling the shots. By doing that poison scene, it just makes him looks weak, and eventually force his hands going to war, doing a vengeful woman's bidding. It's like one episode he is Don Corleone, one episode he is reduced to an errand boy. I don't like how they are portraying him here.
3rd. Mellisandra running and crying scene, running into Davos, that just doesn't feel right to me. She's not her deceptive and mysterious self, and that just seems... out of place.
4th. Stannis... I won't elaborate much but I guess no one saw that coming, probably not even GRRM. The show made him a self-destructive suicidal fool, but in fact he is a great tactican; stubborn, but not suicidal. And how did the Sell swords left overnight without anyone noticing? you think someone as competent as Stannis won't notice and do something about it? and it just so happens the sellswords owns ALL of the horses ??? come on ....
5th. Ayra. Finally 1 enjoyable scene
6th. Jon. This was widely expected to happen by book readers (just in a slightly different manner in the books). I think many people are on the same idea suspecting "something" significant will happen after this. So many fan girls gonna be raged.
7th Cersei 's Penance walk. A very good scene, wanted to see her suffer since Season 1. But I couldn't help noticing Quyburn didn't announce who the knight was. For those find small details interesting, you might have suspected he's the revived zombizied Mountain. His alias is Ser Robert Strong. (before Tywin died, he thought they should announce the mountain's death to appease the Martell's from declaring War. So now, he has a new name and helmet covering up his face) Anyways, that's just some interesting info aside.
quote:Originally posted by Slippery Pete:
My opinion is S5 Episode 10 has gone full retard.
Pretty much how I feel.
At least the Dubs won tonight because GoT sure didn't.
I want to see what Sir Robert Strong does in season 6. That cult has problems.
Somehow I thought Stannis would succeed.
Jon should have taken Stannis' offer and left Knight's watch.
I wonder if the wildlings will now be murdered. Maybe there is too many of them though.
Indira Varma's character was trouble, Martell should have had her killed just to be safe.
I can't believe The Old Man is the only other guy in this thread who is not spouting complete gibberish. Have you guys read his posts? Most of them are total shit.
Somehow I thought Stannis would succeed.
Jon should have taken Stannis' offer and left Knight's watch.
I wonder if the wildlings will now be murdered. Maybe there is too many of them though.
Indira Varma's character was trouble, Martell should have had her killed just to be safe.
I can't believe The Old Man is the only other guy in this thread who is not spouting complete gibberish. Have you guys read his posts? Most of them are total shit.
The epsiode felt hackey to me. Super rushed trying to tie up and leave a cliff hanger for every story line.
I just dont understand what they did to Stannis. They make everyone like him in one episode then turn him into an imbecile the rest of the season then he's dead.
So many of these story lines just dont interest me. Pretty much Jon's and thats it. Now he's dead . . . maybe.
I just dont understand what they did to Stannis. They make everyone like him in one episode then turn him into an imbecile the rest of the season then he's dead.
So many of these story lines just dont interest me. Pretty much Jon's and thats it. Now he's dead . . . maybe.
quote:Originally posted by spo:Have you guys read his posts? Most of them are total shit.
Well at least you got that off your chest.
Overall I thought it was an excellent episode and excellent season of GOT with some notable exceptions.
Cersei's walk of shame was phenomenal in my view. Tracked the book largely and frankly was close to how I imagined it when I read it - well well done.
I thought Mereen played out pretty well this ep. Loved seeing the Varys Tyrion get together. They should do an entire series with just those 2 actors talking - I would watch.
Arya's scenes worked for me. Was a good twist to the books to get her blind and there certainly was satisfaction seeing Trant eat it.
Stannis - well I was never a big Stannis fan so can't say this was very surprising. Lots of the book camp Stannis the Mannis super-fans will be hugely disappointed - but I always saw it going that way. Perhaps the Pink letter was not so false? Who knows?
Theon - his at least partial redemption story pays off - presumably they will encounter Brienne and Pod - and go hunt for Rickon - we shall see I guess.
Dorne - Of course sucked as it has all season - completely illogical and stupid.
Jon Snow and Night's Watch - Sam heading to Old Town - just as expected except it was his idea rather than Jon's. The set up for the stabbing was kind of lame but why would Alliser let him through the walls last episode and stab him this episode? That seemed both weird and out of character - all of a sudden he is like the mutineers at Crasters who killed LC Mormont? Also what about the white walkers and wights? There was no discussion of them? No Wun Wun to set it off.
All quibbles generally but the biggest flaw IMO was the absence of Ghost either on screen or even mention of him. Where has he been all season except the one scene where he saved Sam and Gilly - the showrunners seem unenthused about the whole Dire Wolf tie in which is so crucial in the books and I think that is one change that has been a bummer big time.
With all that - I thought it a great ep and a great season -
Unlike TOM, I don't believe it is at all surpassing of the books but I did enjoy this season.
Cersei's walk of shame was phenomenal in my view. Tracked the book largely and frankly was close to how I imagined it when I read it - well well done.
I thought Mereen played out pretty well this ep. Loved seeing the Varys Tyrion get together. They should do an entire series with just those 2 actors talking - I would watch.
Arya's scenes worked for me. Was a good twist to the books to get her blind and there certainly was satisfaction seeing Trant eat it.
Stannis - well I was never a big Stannis fan so can't say this was very surprising. Lots of the book camp Stannis the Mannis super-fans will be hugely disappointed - but I always saw it going that way. Perhaps the Pink letter was not so false? Who knows?
Theon - his at least partial redemption story pays off - presumably they will encounter Brienne and Pod - and go hunt for Rickon - we shall see I guess.
Dorne - Of course sucked as it has all season - completely illogical and stupid.
Jon Snow and Night's Watch - Sam heading to Old Town - just as expected except it was his idea rather than Jon's. The set up for the stabbing was kind of lame but why would Alliser let him through the walls last episode and stab him this episode? That seemed both weird and out of character - all of a sudden he is like the mutineers at Crasters who killed LC Mormont? Also what about the white walkers and wights? There was no discussion of them? No Wun Wun to set it off.
All quibbles generally but the biggest flaw IMO was the absence of Ghost either on screen or even mention of him. Where has he been all season except the one scene where he saved Sam and Gilly - the showrunners seem unenthused about the whole Dire Wolf tie in which is so crucial in the books and I think that is one change that has been a bummer big time.
With all that - I thought it a great ep and a great season -
Unlike TOM, I don't believe it is at all surpassing of the books but I did enjoy this season.
I don't really want to get into defending the show. I'll just make a couple of points. First, for the record, I've never been one to compare books and movies. "It wasn't as good as the book" to me is a meaningless statement and not a review. I only have mentioned it here because it deals with an author who has refused to move his story along, dropped tons time-wasters (as shown by the focus of the TV show) and is now watching it (the books) shrink in comparison to the TV show.
Complaints about Dorne: It was never an important element to the story. Martin spends 200+ pages there with almost nothing of real interest.
"But I couldn't help noticing Quyburn didn't announce who the knight was. For those find small details interesting, you might have suspected he's the revived zombizied Mountain."
We all know who he is, he's been getting ready for his closeup in the basement--Cersei even visited. And oh yeah, he's big as a...
"...why would Alliser let him through the walls last episode and stab him this episode?"
It might not have been pretty what would have occurred between him and the Wildings if he did. Easier to bring him in and kill him.
"After all he has been through, including starved in Storms End for a year without surrendering, now he suddenly sacrifice his blood 1 day after he lost some supplies and horses??? It just doesn't make sense."
Had to do it. He even said this was it--now or never. The witched had helped he before, why not increase your odds by following her lead?
"Melisandre running and crying scene, running into Davos, that just doesn't feel right to me. She's not her deceptive and mysterious self, and that just seems... out of place."
Though I didn't notice her running and crying she had put her faith in her god that Stannis was the key player she had been looking for. Only natural that she would be shook that he wasn't--and who knows? Perhaps Jon is.
Loved everything with Ayra. She couldn't continue on the tear she'd been on--she had a chance to become more contemplative. Her instincts took hold at the end due to the appearance of one on her list.
"All quibbles generally but the biggest flaw IMO was the absence of Ghost either on screen or even mention of him."
I think it's been clearly shown, and discussed, that these bad boys like to go off--sometimes for a long time--and kill and eat the local game. They're loyal when around, but hey they have their own life to live.
"And she just happens to pinpoint Stannis 's location in a battle of 10000 people ???"
I note mention of coincidences in these threads. I think the show does pretty well on this regard. Besides have you ever read Shakespeare?
Complaints about Dorne: It was never an important element to the story. Martin spends 200+ pages there with almost nothing of real interest.
"But I couldn't help noticing Quyburn didn't announce who the knight was. For those find small details interesting, you might have suspected he's the revived zombizied Mountain."
We all know who he is, he's been getting ready for his closeup in the basement--Cersei even visited. And oh yeah, he's big as a...
"...why would Alliser let him through the walls last episode and stab him this episode?"
It might not have been pretty what would have occurred between him and the Wildings if he did. Easier to bring him in and kill him.
"After all he has been through, including starved in Storms End for a year without surrendering, now he suddenly sacrifice his blood 1 day after he lost some supplies and horses??? It just doesn't make sense."
Had to do it. He even said this was it--now or never. The witched had helped he before, why not increase your odds by following her lead?
"Melisandre running and crying scene, running into Davos, that just doesn't feel right to me. She's not her deceptive and mysterious self, and that just seems... out of place."
Though I didn't notice her running and crying she had put her faith in her god that Stannis was the key player she had been looking for. Only natural that she would be shook that he wasn't--and who knows? Perhaps Jon is.
Loved everything with Ayra. She couldn't continue on the tear she'd been on--she had a chance to become more contemplative. Her instincts took hold at the end due to the appearance of one on her list.
"All quibbles generally but the biggest flaw IMO was the absence of Ghost either on screen or even mention of him."
I think it's been clearly shown, and discussed, that these bad boys like to go off--sometimes for a long time--and kill and eat the local game. They're loyal when around, but hey they have their own life to live.
"And she just happens to pinpoint Stannis 's location in a battle of 10000 people ???"
I note mention of coincidences in these threads. I think the show does pretty well on this regard. Besides have you ever read Shakespeare?
I loved the books.
I love the show. I am happy to suspend my disbelief for an hour or so every week.
There are still a lot of things that can/might happen. Winter is coming.
I love the show. I am happy to suspend my disbelief for an hour or so every week.
There are still a lot of things that can/might happen. Winter is coming.
quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Rothko:
Who wrote the script about the Sand Snakes and Bronn??
They should be tossed into the Black Cells...
Nothing wrong with a little diversion and a pair of very beautiful breasts.
19 year old stunner. Cersei's body double CGI was dodgy...points lost.
quote:Originally posted by Adam10:quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Rothko:
Who wrote the script about the Sand Snakes and Bronn??
They should be tossed into the Black Cells...
Nothing wrong with a little diversion and a pair of very beautiful breasts.
19 year old stunner. Cersei's body double CGI was dodgy...points lost.
I don't think Lena Heady used a body double.
Yes, Bronn's "diversion" is...
I'm so confused. Please tell me if I got this wrong:
Arya is possibly dead, possibly blind, possibly just temporarily stunted.
Sansa is possibly dead. She jumped as far as that girl fell to her death. Are we supposed to think Sansa just escaped?
Jon Snow "is dead" but if he is actually dead it is just plain dumb. He beats a White Walker then gets killed by Ollie? (And others.) BS. Plus, I just can't believe he is dead.
Yes, Tyrion/Varys scene was great; and Arya kicking ass was great.
I could have done without Marcella being killed. That whole situation is just bizarre. The first time I've ever not liked Indira Varma.
It is gonna be a long 9 months, but this season was not as great as last season. Not at all.
Hey, I still can't believe Ned Stark is dead. I thought he was the protagonist of the whole story. When he was removed so early, that's when I really sat up and took notice of GoT.
Both the novels and the TV series have had lots of unanticipated twists and turns. That's why I love them. To me, the entertainment factor is huge.
Both the novels and the TV series have had lots of unanticipated twists and turns. That's why I love them. To me, the entertainment factor is huge.
quote:Originally posted by winetarelli:quote:Originally posted by Adam10:quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Rothko:
Who wrote the script about the Sand Snakes and Bronn??
They should be tossed into the Black Cells...
Nothing wrong with a little diversion and a pair of very beautiful breasts.
19 year old stunner. Cersei's body double CGI was dodgy...points lost.
I don't think Lena Heady used a body double.
Apparently, a body double was used.
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/lena-headey-body-double/
quote:Originally posted by winetarelli:
I don't think Lena Heady used a body double.
She did. Not a secret.
I'm so confused. Please tell me if I got this wrong:
Arya is possibly dead, possibly blind...
Yes.
possibly just temporarily stunted.
"Stunted"? Don't know.
Sansa is possibly dead. She jumped as far as that girl fell to her death. Are we supposed to think Sansa just escaped?
Falling onto many inches of snow is better than falling onto the hard stone floor.
Jon Snow "is dead" but if he is actually dead it is just plain dumb. He beats a White Walker then gets killed by Ollie? (And others.)
Yes. Just ask Julius Caesar who defeated many what a little treachery can do.
BS. Plus, I just can't believe he is dead.
Perhaps, as said there is an unholy ally right near by.
Yes, Tyrion/Varys scene was great; and Arya kicking ass was great.
I could have done without Marcella being killed. That whole situation is just bizarre. The first time I've ever not liked Indira Varma.
She's a character in a TV show. The script made her do it.
It is gonna be a long 9 months, but this season was not as great as last season. Not at all.
OK.