How long did it take for Gendry to run to the wall, dispatch a raven to Dragonstone, and then Dany and her dragons fly to Jon's location?
Uh huh...
Gig, agreed - one of the things about the writing that made the episode seem sloppy to me.
It would've made more sense if Tyrion had convinced Dany that the WW's were true, or even that Dany had a vision or dream, and decided to head out on her own and surprise everyone. But the whole "you run back to the wall! Dispatch the raven! Fly to the battle (which you have to find)!" all before the water freezes again was just lazy.
Again, I know we aren't debating how "realistic" the show is, but some things just leave too big of a gap and could have seemingly been addressed with smarter writing.
It would've made more sense if Tyrion had convinced Dany that the WW's were true, or even that Dany had a vision or dream, and decided to head out on her own and surprise everyone. But the whole "you run back to the wall! Dispatch the raven! Fly to the battle (which you have to find)!" all before the water freezes again was just lazy.
Again, I know we aren't debating how "realistic" the show is, but some things just leave too big of a gap and could have seemingly been addressed with smarter writing.
quote:Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Gig, agreed - one of the things about the writing that made the episode seem sloppy to me.
It would've made more sense if Tyrion had convinced Dany that the WW's were true, or even that Dany had a vision or dream, and decided to head out on her own and surprise everyone. But the whole "you run back to the wall! Dispatch the raven! Fly to the battle (which you have to find)!" all before the water freezes again was just lazy.
Again, I know we aren't debating how "realistic" the show is, but some things just leave too big of a gap and could have seemingly been addressed with smarter writing.
Basically, Gendry role in the episode was old school booty call text.
So much easier to asking someone "u up?" now.
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quote:Originally posted by Rothko:
I thought it was a great episode. Lots of suspense: Is Jon going to die? Is Beric going to die? Is Tormund going to die? Oh my, look who just died!
All that to capture a single wight. To paraphrase Saving Private Ryan, that had better be a real special wight - like it had better discover the cure for cancer or something.
So much for the idea of the three heads of the dragon and the three dragon riders.
LOL, Saving Private Ryan. I agree with what many people said of the Episode. The writing is rushed without the sense of witty dialogue in S1-6. Speaking of the subject, I do hope for Littlefinger and Varys Reunion. But only if Ayra doesn't faceoff~ with him first.
A few standout moments this episode
- Fast travel skyrim style
- Jon's stupid plan
- Ayra-Sansa rift caused by Littlefinger, but Bran the creepy kid seemingly did nothing to stop it.
- why didn't the Olympian Night King use the Javalin in the first place
- Dany's pointless arguements with Tyrion
+ Dragons and lots of slashing wights
+ Exchange between Tormund and Sandor Clegane (TWO THUMBS UP)
+ Polar bear
+ Beric's fire sword
+ Other funny dialogues like. "This one has been killed 6 times, you don't see him complaining".
Looking forward to the fan-rumored Cleganebowl next week !!!
quote:Originally posted by Rothko:
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He's basically just a message.
I never read the books but heard some collapse under their own weight and it seems like Martin was having a hard time wrapping it up. I think some of the criticisms here about time passing too fast would have been fixed by a little banner that says 2 nights later or 3 months later, but that would have looked cheesey. Also didn't the sun go down when they were on the island indicating time had passed? The battle scenes are cool and insanely tense because anyone can die at anytime in this show. I also like it when they just sit around and talk. I wish there were two 12 episode seasons because this show deserves it but somehow they cannot seem to come up with a happy medium between telling their detailed story and getting to the point and ending it. Looking forward to the spinoffs.
What will become of Qyburn the mad scientist ? After Cersei dies next episode. (it's pretty much a guarantee, just a matter of how Brutal, IMO)
I hope he will head the anti-white-walker weaponry R&D department. The man's got some good ideas.
I hope he will head the anti-white-walker weaponry R&D department. The man's got some good ideas.
I think Qyburn is working for Varys. Possible the mountains true master is him and not Cersi.
Read an interesting tidbit. In a previous season Dani was telling a story about her family and how no one ever rode more than one dragon. That could be why they didn't have Jon get on Drogon last episode.
Read an interesting tidbit. In a previous season Dani was telling a story about her family and how no one ever rode more than one dragon. That could be why they didn't have Jon get on Drogon last episode.
I still say there is too much foreshadowing of Tyrion being fathered by the mad king for it not to be addressed.
I'd love to see Arya kill Littlefinger then loose the game of faces with Sansa. Or, at least, I think that is one of the possible setups.
I maintain my position that Bran is a waste of time; and an ill-concieved character. If they had wanted to explain why he is named "after" 'Bran the Builder' (the builder of The Wall) they needed to do it sooner.
I'd love to see Arya kill Littlefinger then loose the game of faces with Sansa. Or, at least, I think that is one of the possible setups.
I maintain my position that Bran is a waste of time; and an ill-concieved character. If they had wanted to explain why he is named "after" 'Bran the Builder' (the builder of The Wall) they needed to do it sooner.
I think Sansa ultimately offs Littlefinger. Arya leaving the Valyrian dagger with her seems to be a bit of foreshadowing. We've already seen a redemptive arc involving Sansa previously when she got to finish off Ramsay.
Finally caught up after getting back from the trip. I did not hate the last episode as much as many did. Some major plot gaps but whatever.
Where did the Walkers/Wights get those giant chains from? That is my question.
Anyway, looking forward to the finale.
Where did the Walkers/Wights get those giant chains from? That is my question.
Anyway, looking forward to the finale.
Satisfying.
(Minor gripe: I am getting tired of seeing more men's butts than women's though.)
(Minor gripe: I am getting tired of seeing more men's butts than women's though.)
I must say, having the sex scene right after Bran and Sam's conversation made it sort of sick lol and that last scene might have been the cheesiest use of cgi in the history of the show. It really was horrid.
That said, a good episode and lead into to the final 6 episodes.
That said, a good episode and lead into to the final 6 episodes.
There is a ridiculous amount of GoT tourism now in Northern Ireland. Every seawall, pasture and castle, whether known previously or not, is now jammed with gawkers taking selfies. I supposed it's a boon to the local economy but irritates the locals to no end.
Sorry for the drift. Carry on!
Sorry for the drift. Carry on!
quote:Originally posted by VinT:
There is a ridiculous amount of GoT tourism now in Northern Ireland. Every seawall, pasture and castle, whether known previously or not, is now jammed with gawkers taking selfies. I supposed it's a boon to the local economy but irritates the locals to no end.
Sorry for the drift. Carry on!
My understanding is that Dubrovnik, Croatia has seen a marked increase in actual median income not only due to explicit GoT tourism but also due to the tremendous uptick in awareness of the beautiful city that GoT has brought.
So now we go back to our small and pitiful lives for another year or so...
The season finale was satisfying.
It also got me to thinking. SPOILERS AHEAD
So the way the Night King got the Wall down was with the dragon. What was his plan for getting through the Wall before he learned about the existence of the dragons and was able to resurrect one (which took place only a short while ago)? He's been marching towards the Wall for a long time - was he just going to wing it when he got there?
It made me wonder if the Night King has a touch of Bran's ability to see into the past/future. Don't forget that the Night King was able to see and touch Bran when Bran did his "second sight" thing a few seasons ago. As far as I can recall, he's the only one who's been able to directly interact with Bran (Ned Stark heard Bran briefly at the Tower in Dorne but shrugged it off).
So, if the Night King is able to use second sight himself, then maybe he was able to foresee that he would use the ice dragon at the Wall. Which meant that he knew he was going to be able to get his hands on one, and how. Which explains why he was able to get those huge chains - he made them ahead of time because he knew he'd need them to pull the dragon out after he killed it.
His plan from the get-go was that he was going to bring the Wall down with a dragon. He just hasn't been able to see far enough ahead to see what will ultimately happen (or maybe he has, and he realizes he has no choice but to follow his fate).
Anyways, that's my theory.
The season finale was satisfying.
It also got me to thinking. SPOILERS AHEAD
So the way the Night King got the Wall down was with the dragon. What was his plan for getting through the Wall before he learned about the existence of the dragons and was able to resurrect one (which took place only a short while ago)? He's been marching towards the Wall for a long time - was he just going to wing it when he got there?
It made me wonder if the Night King has a touch of Bran's ability to see into the past/future. Don't forget that the Night King was able to see and touch Bran when Bran did his "second sight" thing a few seasons ago. As far as I can recall, he's the only one who's been able to directly interact with Bran (Ned Stark heard Bran briefly at the Tower in Dorne but shrugged it off).
So, if the Night King is able to use second sight himself, then maybe he was able to foresee that he would use the ice dragon at the Wall. Which meant that he knew he was going to be able to get his hands on one, and how. Which explains why he was able to get those huge chains - he made them ahead of time because he knew he'd need them to pull the dragon out after he killed it.
His plan from the get-go was that he was going to bring the Wall down with a dragon. He just hasn't been able to see far enough ahead to see what will ultimately happen (or maybe he has, and he realizes he has no choice but to follow his fate).
Anyways, that's my theory.
It was a good finale - I enjoyed it particularly Bran, Arya and Sansa teaming up to give Littlefinger what he has deserved for so long.
On the other hand, the Cersei/Dragonpit scene was too long in my opinion.
Finally, what exactly is the Ice Dragon blowing - it cannot be fire - that is entirely inconsistent with the Others - and if the wall is made of Ice and Stone and spells, how exactly would an ice blast from an ice dragon destroy it so easily? Just saying. Still was a cool scene.
And Bran and Sam hashing out Jon's lineage. Anyway - a largely enjoyable episode.
On the other hand, the Cersei/Dragonpit scene was too long in my opinion.
Finally, what exactly is the Ice Dragon blowing - it cannot be fire - that is entirely inconsistent with the Others - and if the wall is made of Ice and Stone and spells, how exactly would an ice blast from an ice dragon destroy it so easily? Just saying. Still was a cool scene.
And Bran and Sam hashing out Jon's lineage. Anyway - a largely enjoyable episode.
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Finally, what exactly is the Ice Dragon blowing - it cannot be fire - that is entirely inconsistent with the Others - and if the wall is made of Ice and Stone and spells, how exactly would an ice blast from an ice dragon destroy it so easily? Just saying. Still was a cool scene.
Icy Hot. It's cold but its hot!
quote:Originally posted by Rothko:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Finally, what exactly is the Ice Dragon blowing - it cannot be fire - that is entirely inconsistent with the Others - and if the wall is made of Ice and Stone and spells, how exactly would an ice blast from an ice dragon destroy it so easily? Just saying. Still was a cool scene.
Icy Hot. It's cold but its hot!
Cool, when I pull a muscle I will be sure to summon the Night King and his Ice Dragon for some Icy Hot.
Also, was happy to see Theon get some screen time. Alfie Allen really is good.