Jon Snow is the Leroy Jenkins of GOT.
quote:Originally posted by Jorgerunfast:
Rickon...
If only stop-drop-and roll or zig-zag were invented back in those days...
PH
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
So any reactions to last night's episode? Sad what they have done to Jon Snow's character on the show - but whatever. Still an excellent episode
I tend to agree. I think they were really striving for a "girl power" episode but let it get away from them with relation to how itr impacted Jon Snow's character.
quote:Originally posted by fusionstorm:
That battle scene was craaaazzzzzzy great in its scope and suspense.
The battle scene and camera work were incredible.
quote:PS: You know the battle was incredible when the scene with Dany and her dragons is a footnote! We've been waiting, what, 5 years?? For those dragons to kick some ass and they did not disappoint.
Again, amazing TV.
+1
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
So any reactions to last night's episode? Sad what they have done to Jon Snow's character on the show - but whatever. Still an excellent episode
I liked Ramsay Bolton's self-effacing comments just before his dog started licking him.
Also, enjoyed the irony that was derived from what Bolton had earlier threatened to do to Jon Snow, as well as Sansa's well-deserved smirk.The superior action scenes are really what make this series so visually impressive, but the writing has proven to be darned good too, especially now that they've run out of book on which to model the events and dialogue.
quote:Originally posted by Seaquam:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
So any reactions to last night's episode? Sad what they have done to Jon Snow's character on the show - but whatever. Still an excellent episode
I liked Ramsay Bolton's self-effacing comments just before his dog started licking him.
The superior action scenes are really what make this series so visually impressive, but the writing has proven to be darned good too, especially now that they've run out of book on which to model the events and dialogue.
So you are liking it.
quote:Originally posted by Bytown Rick:quote:Originally posted by Seaquam:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
So any reactions to last night's episode? Sad what they have done to Jon Snow's character on the show - but whatever. Still an excellent episode
I liked Ramsay Bolton's self-effacing comments just before his dog started licking him.
The superior action scenes are really what make this series so visually impressive, but the writing has proven to be darned good too, especially now that they've run out of book on which to model the events and dialogue.
So you are liking it.
Sure! In fact, you may use a stronger verb and you'd still be right.
So many great things from the "music" before the battle scene, to the final transformation of Sansa the character to Sophie Tucker the actress, to the hotter than usual appearing Emilia Clarke walking up the wings of her lead bomber, and finally an epic battle that was...epic.
Pushed past Battlestar Galatica to become my number two greatest TV drama series of all time.
Pushed past Battlestar Galatica to become my number two greatest TV drama series of all time.
The whole episode was fan service.
And I loved it.
And I loved it.
Great episode. This season has been really, really good.
Yes, it was a little formulaic, but as someone mentioned before, you can't have mindblowing twists on every episode.
Loved Tyrion having the guts to tell Dany that her plan to turn cities to dust wasn't moral.
Loved Mun-Mun breaking down the gate. Wish Jon Snow had a few more giants on his side.
Loved the interaction between Torvald and Ser Davos.
I am willing to forgive Rickon's failure to zig zag. After months in a dungeon, probably being tortured by Ramsay, he may not have been thinking tactically.
I was expecting Lord Umber to turn coat at the last minute, maybe even to save Rickon. But when he didn't, I was glad to see him go.
As for Ghost, well, I figure Jon had him tied up or with a handler because he didn't want him to get killed in the battle. He isn't Grey Wind.
Yes, it was a little formulaic, but as someone mentioned before, you can't have mindblowing twists on every episode.
Loved Tyrion having the guts to tell Dany that her plan to turn cities to dust wasn't moral.
Loved Mun-Mun breaking down the gate. Wish Jon Snow had a few more giants on his side.
Loved the interaction between Torvald and Ser Davos.
I am willing to forgive Rickon's failure to zig zag. After months in a dungeon, probably being tortured by Ramsay, he may not have been thinking tactically.
I was expecting Lord Umber to turn coat at the last minute, maybe even to save Rickon. But when he didn't, I was glad to see him go.
As for Ghost, well, I figure Jon had him tied up or with a handler because he didn't want him to get killed in the battle. He isn't Grey Wind.
Not sure about Sansa's character evolution, she is as selfish now as she was in Season 1.
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Not sure about Sansa's character evolution, she is as selfish now as she was in Season 1.
I 100% disagree with this analysis. Selfish? She'd spent who knows how long being raped and tortured by Ramsey Bolton, and she didn't want to go back. She also is working to fulfill her house's destiny.
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Not sure about Sansa's character evolution, she is as selfish now as she was in Season 1.
Well, it really makes no sense that she didn't tell Jon Snow about her letter to Littlefinger and that the knights of the Vale were expected to arrive and help.
quote:Originally posted by Rothko:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Not sure about Sansa's character evolution, she is as selfish now as she was in Season 1.
Well, it really makes no sense that she didn't tell Jon Snow about her letter to Littlefinger and that the knights of the Vale were expected to arrive and help.
There's was no guarantee they were coming. Her advice to Jon was sound.
quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Not sure about Sansa's character evolution, she is as selfish now as she was in Season 1.
I 100% disagree with this analysis. Selfish? She'd spent who knows how long being raped and tortured by Ramsey Bolton, and she didn't want to go back. She also is working to fulfill her house's destiny.
Yes selfish. I am not minimizing her trauma. However, her half brother Jon, who she treated poorly for her whole life (reflecting her mother's attitude) literally came back from the dead after being betrayed and murdered by his "Brothers" - a fairly significant trauma - and she manipulated him to help her - stating" we must go rescue our brother" - then when it is time to try to do so, she says, oh he is dead already I know Ramsay. What exactly changed? Nothing, she has learned from Littlefinger and adopted his stratagems apparently. She demands they should consult with her, and then when asked her opinion does not offer anything and fails to tell them the most important fact - she had an army waiting in the wings, leading thousands to die. Frankly, I think she wanted both Jon and Rickon dead so that she has no rivals to rule Winterfell.
Sansa has always been one of my least favorite characters in book and show and her smirks with the arrival of the Knights of the Vale and the death of Ramsay did not change my view. Yuck.
With that said, Sophie Turner has done a phenomenal job. No arguments from me on that.
quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Rothko:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Not sure about Sansa's character evolution, she is as selfish now as she was in Season 1.
Well, it really makes no sense that she didn't tell Jon Snow about her letter to Littlefinger and that the knights of the Vale were expected to arrive and help.
There's was no guarantee they were coming. Her advice to Jon was sound.
Yet she magically was with them when they did arrive right at Littlefinger's side. This is pure whitewashing of what she did. Even the possibility of them coming could have changed everything
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Rothko:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Not sure about Sansa's character evolution, she is as selfish now as she was in Season 1.
Well, it really makes no sense that she didn't tell Jon Snow about her letter to Littlefinger and that the knights of the Vale were expected to arrive and help.
There's was no guarantee they were coming. Her advice to Jon was sound.
Yet she magically was with them when they did arrive right at Littlefinger's side. This is pure whitewashing of what she did. Even the possibility of them coming could have changed everything
I don't get this. She was in the back, the troops showed up and she joined them. I'm not sure where the magic was.
We are on totally different wavelengths in this regard, so I will stop responding as no one's mind will be changed.
quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:quote:Originally posted by The Old Man:quote:Originally posted by Rothko:quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Not sure about Sansa's character evolution, she is as selfish now as she was in Season 1.
Well, it really makes no sense that she didn't tell Jon Snow about her letter to Littlefinger and that the knights of the Vale were expected to arrive and help.
There's was no guarantee they were coming. Her advice to Jon was sound.
Yet she magically was with them when they did arrive right at Littlefinger's side. This is pure whitewashing of what she did. Even the possibility of them coming could have changed everything
I don't get this. She was in the back, the troops showed up and she joined them. I'm not sure where the magic was.
We are on totally different wavelengths in this regard, so I will stop responding as no one's mind will be changed.
Fair enough. Though I am curious how Sansa apologists explain how her Rickon rescue mission became the giving him up for dead - which was undoubtedly correct albeit heartless.
quote:Originally posted by Jcocktosten:
Fair enough. Though I am curious how Sansa apologists explain how her Rickon rescue mission became the giving him up for dead - which was undoubtedly correct albeit heartless.
Alright, I'm dragged back in. To me the Rickon issue was a red herring, it would have been nice if he could have been rescued. But I thought she had made clear, in dramatic speeches, that taking back their ancestral house and their title was the main goal,